If anybody has to play random teaja would win... i've seen his offrace skill at a off race tournament some time ago... especially as protoss he was just ripping all opponents

Xinzoe

Korea (South)2373 Posts

July 03 2014 12:13 GMT

#42

On July 03 2014 21:10 KOtical wrote:
If anybody has to play random teaja would win... i've seen his offrace skill at a off race tournament some time ago... especially as protoss he was just ripping all opponents

Tough call, i think life is a beast also. Offrace toss at rank 21 GM with 60%+ winrate

Big-t

Austria1351 Posts

July 03 2014 12:39 GMT

#43

On July 03 2014 19:04 Big J wrote:
Why would you force somebody to play something that he does not want to play?

I don´t want to see pros playing random in a such a tournament. I want a tournament where only random player participate. No one should be "forced" to play a race they don´t want to play.

WGT-Baal

France3577 Posts

July 03 2014 12:48 GMT

#44

I would love to watch such a tournament!! It s a great idea!

DarkPlasmaBall

United States46705 Posts

July 03 2014 13:00 GMT

#45

On July 03 2014 21:39 Big-t wrote:

Show nested quote +

I don´t want to see pros playing random in a such a tournament. I want a tournament where only random player participate. No one should be "forced" to play a race they don´t want to play.

So... a tournament with no professional players except possibly Balloon? Such a thing could exist, but I think it'd be also interesting if you have the top tier players playing random in a different tournament too.

Twine

France246 Posts

July 03 2014 13:09 GMT

#46

If everyone had to play random, protoss players would have 33% winrate.

DarkPlasmaBall

United States46705 Posts

July 03 2014 13:13 GMT

#47

On July 03 2014 22:09 Twine wrote:
If everyone had to play random, protoss players would have 33% winrate.

Why do you think so? Having an equal number of games played by each race (assuming everyone's games played would overall average out to about 1/3 each race) doesn't necessarily mean that the win percentages of each race will be equal... any imbalances in the game would still tip the scale towards or away from certain races.

DarkPlasmaBall

United States46705 Posts

July 03 2014 13:16 GMT

#48

Balance problems don't disappear just because you're forced to play all three races. It might certainly be the case that the population of players can become more experienced and knowledgeable with all the races and match-ups if they play all of them, and so the balance discussion might be better informed... but there could still be imbalance problems.

TAMinator

Australia2706 Posts

July 03 2014 13:21 GMT

#49

People then would have an extra thing to whine about. RNG. Grats on a new complain topic

iHirO

United Kingdom1381 Posts

July 03 2014 13:47 GMT

#50

Maybe someone should make a mod that randomly picks a map from a list and you only find out when the game starts.

DinoMight

United States3725 Posts

July 03 2014 13:52 GMT

#51

I mean... yeah...

but no.

It's something I'd do with friends but not something I'd want to watch as a serious event. Maybe if it was a one time thing and everyone did it it could be fun but not more than that. I like to watch each player play and their style comes out in their races. If each player has to learn 9 MU then I'm sure we'll see a lot of games that look exactly the same for a while...

DinoMight

United States3725 Posts

July 03 2014 13:53 GMT

#52

Also, random is the same reason items are turned off in Smash brothers.

People don't like random, it can give an unfair advantage to someone. In competition people like to eliminiate randomness as much as possible.

Which is why I think pro Hearthstone is stupid as hell.

29 fps

United States5725 Posts

July 03 2014 14:05 GMT

#53

I think it would be interesting, but many people are against it because we won't be able to see the best games with the best strategies. Some players have strategies for specific matchups on specific maps. Those kinds of strats (esp cheeses) are interesting to watch. Just like how people are against playing vs random, some people also dislike watching random vs random games because people will use safer openings that don't lead to the optimal result.

urboss

Austria1223 Posts

July 03 2014 18:56 GMT

#54

I don't see what's the big deal!

If someone would run an all-race tournament and have sufficient prize money of say 30,000$, of course the pros would play there.
And if the pros are playing, people are gonna watch it.

If there are some random elements (who plays what matchup on what map), all the better!
The world's most popular sports have tons of random elements.

Don't listen to a handful of hardcore SC2 fans that insist that the old, beaten path is the only way.

bludragen88

United States527 Posts

July 04 2014 01:53 GMT

#55

On July 03 2014 21:39 Big-t wrote:

Show nested quote +

I don´t want to see pros playing random in a such a tournament. I want a tournament where only random player participate. No one should be "forced" to play a race they don´t want to play.

I don't think anyone should be forced to play this way. I was trying to imagine a world where we didn't start off as "racists". What if we had all been educated as random players even from the beginnings of BW? I agree that you wouldn't have things like Boxer's terran line and those stories, but people could still be famous for playstyles (I guarantee Flash would have played a safe defensive style with any race, while July would have been balls to the wall aggression no matter what).

At this point, it would be kind of gimmicky to have random tournaments because there would be luck involved for sure. But if you played random since the beginning of time, would you really have a large discrepancy between all of your races? You might, but I'm not sure how bad it would be.

Nimix

France1809 Posts

July 04 2014 01:54 GMT

#56

I thought while playing CS that it would be fun if SC2's matches would be one half main race one half reverse. But then it would take ages :D

ZenithM

France15952 Posts

July 04 2014 01:55 GMT

#57

More simple solution is to only have one race. That's it, game balanced, rejoice!

VayneAuthority

United States8983 Posts

July 04 2014 02:15 GMT

#58

it would just lend to more excuses and the like, RNG stuff is fun on paper but should try to be limited as much as possible in terms of affecting careers and professional play.