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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On May 31 2014 05:50 stuchiu wrote: Though to be fair to Azubu it took them 2 years to give up, but they did pay out their players (I think?). And their was much more vitrol about AZUBU than Clauf who took 3 months to fold. Ah, but Azubu isn't quite dead yet. They have the GEM guys streaming on their platform even if the team is gone. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On May 31 2014 09:00 felisconcolori wrote: Ah, but Azubu isn't quite dead yet. They have the GEM guys streaming on their platform even if the team is gone. Azubu is truly impressive | ||
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Axeltl
Finland48 Posts
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lessQQmorePEWPEW
Jamaica921 Posts
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On May 31 2014 15:14 Axeltl wrote: In essence the Esports scene for SC2 suffers form declining viewership because the game is broken as fuck and will never be a worthy successor to Brood War. Someone had to say it. Someone had to say what? Uninformed, hate speech? | ||
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Enigmasc
United Kingdom147 Posts
On May 31 2014 15:14 Axeltl wrote: In essence the Esports scene for SC2 suffers form declining viewership because the game is broken as fuck and will never be a worthy successor to Brood War. Someone had to say it. well that was a constructive post i dont see how a shady organisation with huge production costs and a barleey veiwed/ advertised product had anything to do with the game if anything its the buisness scence of the clauf/zubu/sapinda group that needs to be called into question | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
On May 31 2014 15:14 Axeltl wrote: In essence the Esports scene for SC2 suffers form declining viewership because the game is broken as fuck and will never be a worthy successor to Brood War. Someone had to say it. Jeez, you so in love with that game? I grew up playing red alert. "OMG change the game to be like red alert or dead game. " /sarcasm I switched to sc2 because it is the ONLY competitive RTS out there and it IS balanced. The best player always wins. It's easily the best game I played in my life. I'm sure many will agree. Sorry to break it to you but brood war is dead and not coming back anytime soon. No need to be a hater. | ||
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yido
United States350 Posts
While things in Korea seem like they are the Mecca of eSports now, things weren't always so gravy in the past. To become the entity it is now, they had to go through multiple scandals and bankruptcy. Thus KeSPA was formed to put strict regulations and oversight on the industry. While it has made several questionable choices in the past, they have made a "hobby" into a thriving and sustainable industry. I believe each "blocs" of regions should create a body of representatives to be responsible for the industry as whole and can enforce "regulations" on negative influences. | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
just looking at the sidebar it looks like a lot less people stream this game O.o | ||
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FFGenerations
7088 Posts
and bw viewship is also stable and solid (probably increasing) since it has had a massively revived scene in korea for a long time now (huge leagues with professional production). its hard to compare to dota because in dota people watch ingame, you might get 20k stream viewers and then 40k ingame viewers (dont quote me, but you can see the stats if you watch ingame). also dota is starting its annual league which has a prize pool of 7.5MILLION and rising (for 1 tourney) compared to 2.8 mil last year (big increase). (there are other major dota tournies like nonstop evevry day, not just the 1 big one) LoL seems to have like 200,000 viewers per random streamer personality when i glance over , it's like its own separate league no idea about hearthstone but i think trump still gets 20k regular. its an entertaining game to watch (i just watch tb's videos and occaisionally buy a new laptop after throwing it out the window) no idea about HOStorm, i havent seen any promotion or talk about it tbh, but i dont go looking minecraft (aka YOGSCAST) is probably one of the biggest games watched still. yogscast are a comedy show that roleplay in minecraft and get like 1M hits per video. and for good reason, they are brilliant (tho simon had started swearing when i last watched and it brought the quality down a substantial amount imo). i recommend their TEKKIT series as a starter (like 100+ episodes) and any YOGSLAB episodes (where they incorporate new gameplay mechanics into roleplayed events) also i watch jp's/koibu0's youtube channel where they do Dungeons & Dragons roleplay episodes every day. nonstop fantasy adventure. theres a lot of competition for viewship as you can see. i only watch yogs/jp/dota/totalbiscuit and will go 3 weeks without seeing some of them coz theres just so much good content - random guy who doesnt watch any streams anymore | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On May 31 2014 23:54 FFGenerations wrote: i dont follow either game atm but afaik sc2 viewship is pretty good (very good, some people said all-time high iirc) and bw viewship is also stable and solid (probably increasing) since it has had a massively revived scene in korea for a long time now (huge leagues with professional production). its hard to compare to dota because in dota people watch ingame, you might get 20k stream viewers and then 40k ingame viewers (dont quote me, but you can see the stats if you watch ingame). also dota is starting its annual league which has a prize pool of 7.5MILLION and rising (for 1 tourney) compared to 2.8 mil last year (big increase). (there are other major dota tournies like nonstop evevry day, not just the 1 big one) LoL seems to have like 200,000 viewers per random streamer personality when i glance over , it's like its own separate league no idea about hearthstone but i think trump still gets 20k regular. its an entertaining game to watch (i just watch tb's videos and occaisionally buy a new laptop after throwing it out the window) no idea about HOStorm, i havent seen any promotion or talk about it tbh, but i dont go looking minecraft (aka YOGSCAST) is probably one of the biggest games watched still. yogscast are a comedy show that roleplay in minecraft and get like 1M hits per video. and for good reason, they are brilliant (tho simon had started swearing when i last watched and it brought the quality down a substantial amount imo). i recommend their TEKKIT series as a starter (like 100+ episodes) and any YOGSLAB episodes (where they incorporate new gameplay mechanics into roleplayed events) also i watch jp's/koibu0's youtube channel where they do Dungeons & Dragons roleplay episodes every day. nonstop fantasy adventure. theres a lot of competition for viewship as you can see. i only watch yogs/jp/dota/totalbiscuit and will go 3 weeks without seeing some of them coz theres just so much good content - random guy who doesnt watch any streams anymore Ever noticed LoL viewership is fucking awful outside of LCS and the chosen few LCS streamer personalities? Seriously, online tournaments in that game are a fools errand. Anything independent outside of LCS and the really big offline events like IEM gets pathetic viewership. Lonestar Clash, TSMs invitationals, it's pretty bad overall. Their scene is LCS + backing band and ultimately I don't think that's going to be healthy for them in the long run. It definitely turns potential event organizers away and makes their scene far more stagnant than ours, even if LCS gets much higher viewership than anything we do. | ||
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FFGenerations
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F1rstAssau1t
1341 Posts
On June 01 2014 00:27 TotalBiscuit wrote: Ever noticed LoL viewership is fucking awful outside of LCS and the chosen few LCS streamer personalities? Seriously, online tournaments in that game are a fools errand. Anything independent outside of LCS and the really big offline events like IEM gets pathetic viewership. Lonestar Clash, TSMs invitationals, it's pretty bad overall. Their scene is LCS + backing band and ultimately I don't think that's going to be healthy for them in the long run. It definitely turns potential event organizers away and makes their scene far more stagnant than ours, even if LCS gets much higher viewership than anything we do. Its because the LCS is the biggest and most important LoL tournament, for not say the only anyone cares. Other organizations shouldn't waste money on making LoL tournaments most LoL players wont care about it. But is a healthy situation with all the big propaganda Riot gets for his game with a really nice production. LCS will last for a long time, its a win-win scenario for Riot and viewers. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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FuRRie
Belgium815 Posts
On May 31 2014 05:30 felisconcolori wrote: Hey, NASL had Lauren Elise, who is both a model and currently aspring to be an actress. (In addition to writing poetry and singing.) Now, she might not have been a good fit to the community for what she was doing, but she was trying at least. As far as models... well, if you see pretty girls doing silly things at an esports event or conference, odds are they're models of one kind or another. (Dr. Pepper girls at MLG. Booth babes of all kinds.) I'm just glad they are willing to put up with us. Maybe companies should put more money into getting good casters/players/not hour long commercials instead of a pretty face. While I don't mind looking at Lauren, she doesn't really add value to the show (n/o). | ||
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starslayer
United States696 Posts
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gruff
Sweden2276 Posts
On June 01 2014 03:30 F1rstAssau1t wrote: Its because the LCS is the biggest and most important LoL tournament, for not say the only anyone cares. Other organizations shouldn't waste money on making LoL tournaments most LoL players wont care about it. But is a healthy situation with all the big propaganda Riot gets for his game with a really nice production. LCS will last for a long time, its a win-win scenario for Riot and viewers. That was his point, no one cares about tournaments outside of the LCS. How you can twist that into something being healthy is a feat. There's virtually no other big sport in the world that functions that way. The bigger the sport, the more tiers of competition you get because people enjoy watching the game. LoL is the opposite of that. | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On June 01 2014 18:10 gruff wrote: That was his point, no one cares about tournaments outside of the LCS. How you can twist that into something being healthy is a feat. There's virtually no other big sport in the world that functions that way. The bigger the sport, the more tiers of competition you get because people enjoy watching the game. LoL is the opposite of that. Most sports in the world function that way. The focus is on one top league with smaller leagues paling in comparison to it. | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
On June 01 2014 18:10 gruff wrote: That was his point, no one cares about tournaments outside of the LCS. How you can twist that into something being healthy is a feat. There's virtually no other big sport in the world that functions that way. The bigger the sport, the more tiers of competition you get because people enjoy watching the game. LoL is the opposite of that. but is his point legit? with smaller and bigger stuff being hosted with shady managment and missmanagment left and right isnt it better to ve 1 group do something big but do it properly? i would take an lcs or wcs for that matter over any nasl eswc wcg stuff any day cuz u know u get quality to some degree. And if small things are managed properly it can turn out to be great (homestory cup for example) but this is the minority so far cuz most small things out there in esports turned sour pretty fast due to incompetent people trying to do stuff they are not capable off and fail miserably | ||
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