EPTOn May 31 2014 00:32 Extenz wrote:
maybe if they didn't waste money paying pretty girls spinning wheels
maybe if they didn't waste money paying pretty girls spinning wheels
waste? for shame sir.
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NihilisticGod
Northern Ireland174 Posts
waste? for shame sir. | ||
NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On May 31 2014 00:57 Incognoto wrote: Oh, my bad, that's what I meant. Is the SC2 bubble popping? NASL didn't sustain itself and now this thing whatever it is (don't watch anything other than GSL) didn't sustain itself either. MLG pulled out of SC2 and won't be coming back afaik. I'm questioning whether or not WCS is profitable to either ESL or Blizzard as well. I don't know what to think. I'd say the GSL is safe because it's been working for a while now (prior to SC2's release, no?) and I think they've got themselves covered. However ESL/Blizzard/MLG/NASL are/were trying to play SC2 work as an esport outside of Korea and up until now it seems only ESL is still up and running? You also have the Dreamhacks and HSCs however they're one time events not something based on a format spread over several weeks. Just thinking out-loud. Has little to do with starcraft and more to do with how shady/poorly run a business this was http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/447034-azubu-receives-345-million-from-sapinda-esgn They also ran Hearthstone events You should watch unfiltered where they talk about esgn + Show Spoiler + not sure which parts exactly but theirs all 4 parts. | ||
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Stress
United States980 Posts
On May 31 2014 00:38 sharkie wrote: WCS AM dropping their production was not big news? ^^ It was big news but everyone knows that SC2 has struggled in NA much more than in EU or KR. The caliber of players between the three regions is vastly different and NA just happens to be on the bottom. Part of the problem was pointed out in that interview with Suppy and Kane. People also want to see their "local" players on the international stage and actually able to compete. My point is some of the problems with the NA scene is not because their isn't any money and businesses can't be profitable but because of the quality and dedication of the players. | ||
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traderjoe
Germany69 Posts
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Barroo
England15 Posts
Start basic and build it up / scale it back as and when the fans are / aren't there. IMO people don't tune in for the spectacle and the awe of an amazing stage / set up etc etc. People tune in as they love the game and the competition. For example - don't get me wrong it's kinda cool to see an interview with the winner of a game immediately after it finishes - but first and formeost I want to see the game. So the cost of trying to make that interview happen (flights, compares, camera crew, lighting, translators etc) doesn't actually add anything to the games that I'm wathing. So why do it? I feel that we do this in EU / NA as we feel the need to compete with KR - which is daft as their fan base is simply bigger. Jin Air are plastered on a plane!!! That's not going to happen outside of KR... | ||
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farvacola
United States18828 Posts
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
This is a shame for the Grubby and the others, but I don't see that as another sign of the scene to collapse. When even the likes of Painuser still get a consistent 40+ viewers, the scene is apparently very healthy. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
I didn't know far enough apparently. No yeah that's great then. like, sincerely, i'm actually happy to hear SC2 is going to get another mlg | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On May 31 2014 00:32 Extenz wrote: maybe if they didn't waste money paying pretty girls spinning wheels "paying" | ||
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Holytornados
United States1022 Posts
On May 31 2014 00:19 FT.aCt)Sony wrote: And the downfall of the Starcraft 2 scene continues. New era, new dawn, same old problems. Sad to say it. If there was any contracts, the best bet would be to seek legal ramifications under contractual law for breach of agreement/contract in accordance with the terms that were signed and agreed upon by both parties (players and the company). Downfall of the SC2 scene /= a shitty organization not paying. There are loads of reliable organizations in the scene that are still paying their employees and contestants. It sucks that these people were taken advantage of, but it isn't the end of the scene. Let's be real here. | ||
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SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
On May 31 2014 01:04 Stress wrote: It was big news but everyone knows that SC2 has struggled in NA much more than in EU or KR. The caliber of players between the three regions is vastly different and NA just happens to be on the bottom. Part of the problem was pointed out in that interview with Suppy and Kane. People also want to see their "local" players on the international stage and actually able to compete. My point is some of the problems with the NA scene is not because their isn't any money and businesses can't be profitable but because of the quality and dedication of the players. The problem with the NA scene is that they fostered an audience that was focused on drama over Starcraft. Those who were the most successful were those who played the celebrity gossip card the hardest. So once the novelty of the angry nerds who made money by being good at a computer game faded away, The mainstream audience moved on and unlike in Korea and Europe there weren't enough hardcore fans left to watch. I'm sure the drama mongers (JP, incontrol, IdrA, Painuser, Destiny) made more money than the Europeans, but they weren't in it for the long run and have long since moved on to other endeavors. | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
Hey now. They can tell their non-contracted employees they'll get "paid". You try telling a pretty girl spinning wheels (aka model) you'll pay them later... it won't go well. Those girls, at least, I'm thinking were paid. | ||
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Holytornados
United States1022 Posts
On May 31 2014 00:57 Incognoto wrote: Oh, my bad, that's what I meant. Is the SC2 bubble popping? NASL didn't sustain itself and now this thing whatever it is (don't watch anything other than GSL) didn't sustain itself either. MLG pulled out of SC2 and won't be coming back afaik. I'm questioning whether or not WCS is profitable to either ESL or Blizzard as well. I don't know what to think. I'd say the GSL is safe because it's been working for a while now (prior to SC2's release, no?) and I think they've got themselves covered. However ESL/Blizzard/MLG/NASL are/were trying to play SC2 work as an esport outside of Korea and up until now it seems only ESL is still up and running? You also have the Dreamhacks and HSCs however they're one time events not something based on a format spread over several weeks. Just thinking out-loud. MLG will be back with SC2 next month.. | ||
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vult
United States9400 Posts
Sad but unexpected | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On May 31 2014 01:46 SixStrings wrote: I'm sure the drama mongers (JP, incontrol, IdrA, Painuser, Destiny) made more money than the Europeans, but they weren't in it for the long run and have long since moved on to other endeavors. Yeah I might have messed up the MLG thing, my bad. However this is bullshit. I don't quite follow JP and I don't even know who Painuser is. Destiny has set himself up as a someone can stream for a living so he has to make active choices about what's going to make the most money via viewers. Now, Idra and Incontrol are two individuals who put everything on the line for Starcraft, both SC:BW and SC2 (Destiny put everything on the line for his stream so to speak so it's a different matter). Idra got half disowned by his parents for going to Korea to play SC:BW, then made the transition to SC2 because he assumed that it would be more foreign-friendly than SCBW and spent 3 years doing that (including at least one IEM first place finish lost due to broken reapers, anyone who says otherwise is an idiot). He worked so hard for the game, harder than you probably ever will doing whatever it is you do. Incontrol is the same thing. He broke the bank to go to NA tournaments in SC and got hired by EG when they saw a promising player. "Hired". He was paid like $200 a month or something. Do you really think these two were into starcraft for the money? Is it not obviously stupidly clear that they both loved starcraft and the scene that was around it. They weren't in it for the long run? Bullshit. People have this stupid assumption that money just falls from the sky when they're in esports. It friggin' doesn't. People who strive to make a living off of esports have to friggin' hard for it. /end rant. though I wouldn't have ranted if you hadn't said something so blatantly disrespectful though. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
 . Such a shameAt least Grubby showed us the best immortal imitation ever: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://nsa33.casimages.com/img/2014/03/19/140319123218980652.gif) | ||
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Mozdk
Denmark6989 Posts
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aXa
France748 Posts
On May 31 2014 02:03 Incognoto wrote: People have this stupid assumption that money just falls from the sky when they're in esports. It friggin' doesn't. People who strive to make a living off of esports have to friggin' hard for it. /end rant. though I wouldn't have ranted if you hadn't said something so blatantly disrespectful though. Well, unless you are Stephano. Then money keeps raining even during retirement :D I agree with what you said though | ||
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