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On May 31 2014 00:39 pajoondies wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 00:27 Zealously wrote:On May 31 2014 00:19 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
And the downfall of the Starcraft 2 scene continues. New era, new dawn, same old problems. Sad to say it.
This isn't a Starcraft-specific problem. If players are credulous, in any game or any sport, there will be issues with money never being paid out and contracts never existing in the first place. It is a prevalent issue in the SC2 scene, but it is hardly unique to it. I agree with you so far as it not being just a Starcraft problem, but it seems like this kind of situation tends to pop up more frequently in SC2 than other games. The only other game I follow is DotA 2, and I've not once heard of issues of this sort revolving around DotA 2. Fortunately though this is an exception and not the norm. Still though, it has to be tough wondering whether you're ever going to be paid for your work.
There has been cases like this in Dota 2. In addition, managers making off with money, and even charity scandals. In specific to the ESGN case, they also ran Fight Nights for LoL, SFIV, and Hearthstone, so it's definitely not just a SC2 problem.
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On May 31 2014 00:27 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 00:19 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
And the downfall of the Starcraft 2 scene continues. New era, new dawn, same old problems. Sad to say it.
This isn't a Starcraft-specific problem. If players are credulous, in any game or any sport, there will be issues with money never being paid out and contracts never existing in the first place. It is a prevalent issue in the SC2 scene, but it is hardly unique to it.
While true, this is much more commonplace in starcraft than LoL or Dota. Massive organizations not paying 5 or 6 figures worth of payments to players is often the tune of SC2.
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On May 31 2014 02:40 LongShot27 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 00:27 Zealously wrote:On May 31 2014 00:19 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
And the downfall of the Starcraft 2 scene continues. New era, new dawn, same old problems. Sad to say it.
This isn't a Starcraft-specific problem. If players are credulous, in any game or any sport, there will be issues with money never being paid out and contracts never existing in the first place. It is a prevalent issue in the SC2 scene, but it is hardly unique to it. While true, this is much more commonplace in starcraft than LoL or Dota. Massive organizations not paying 5 or 6 figures worth of payments to players is often the tune of SC2.
Simply because there are barely any massive organizations in Lol and Dota except Riot and Valve themselves.
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what? The Summit , JoinDota , and more. There are actually way more large Dota organizations than any other game. Valve is barely involved in Dota except for TI once per year. Completely opposite of Riot, who is basically involved in everything year-round
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Biggest surprise for me is that White Ra is getting games, despite not winning a game this side of 2012.
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Im pretty sure everybody was asking where ESGNS money was coming from. I guess we know now (or rather were it didnt come from)
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doubt they will get the money If the company has none to give.
They should be happy they at least got travel expenses paid.
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On May 31 2014 03:18 PPN wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 02:40 LongShot27 wrote:On May 31 2014 00:27 Zealously wrote:On May 31 2014 00:19 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
And the downfall of the Starcraft 2 scene continues. New era, new dawn, same old problems. Sad to say it.
This isn't a Starcraft-specific problem. If players are credulous, in any game or any sport, there will be issues with money never being paid out and contracts never existing in the first place. It is a prevalent issue in the SC2 scene, but it is hardly unique to it. While true, this is much more commonplace in starcraft than LoL or Dota. Massive organizations not paying 5 or 6 figures worth of payments to players is often the tune of SC2. Simply because there are barely any massive organizations in Lol and Dota except Riot and Valve themselves.
People aren't making the mistake of over-investing into something they don't know will make a profit. That's called good business,
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On May 31 2014 01:46 felisconcolori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 01:44 teddyoojo wrote:On May 31 2014 00:32 Extenz wrote:
maybe if they didn't waste money paying pretty girls spinning wheels "paying" Hey now. They can tell their non-contracted employees they'll get "paid". You try telling a pretty girl spinning wheels (aka model) you'll pay them later... it won't go well. Those girls, at least, I'm thinking were paid.
I didn't watch this thing, but they had models on an esports show? clauf kingdom.
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On May 31 2014 00:19 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
And the downfall of the Starcraft 2 scene continues. New era, new dawn, same old problems. Sad to say it.
If there was any contracts, the best bet would be to seek legal ramifications under contractual law for breach of agreement/contract in accordance with the terms that were signed and agreed upon by both parties (players and the company).
lol
not surprising a Brood War fan would make a stupid comment like this on the SC2 scene, and ignoring the fact that it's not even about SC2.
User was banned for this post.
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On May 31 2014 04:08 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 01:46 felisconcolori wrote:On May 31 2014 01:44 teddyoojo wrote:On May 31 2014 00:32 Extenz wrote:
maybe if they didn't waste money paying pretty girls spinning wheels "paying" Hey now. They can tell their non-contracted employees they'll get "paid". You try telling a pretty girl spinning wheels (aka model) you'll pay them later... it won't go well. Those girls, at least, I'm thinking were paid. I didn't watch this thing, but they had models on an esports show? clauf kingdom.
pics or it didn't happen
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On May 31 2014 04:29 woslings wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 00:19 FT.aCt)Sony wrote:
And the downfall of the Starcraft 2 scene continues. New era, new dawn, same old problems. Sad to say it.
If there was any contracts, the best bet would be to seek legal ramifications under contractual law for breach of agreement/contract in accordance with the terms that were signed and agreed upon by both parties (players and the company). lol not surprising a Brood War fan would make a stupid comment like this on the SC2 scene, and ignoring the fact that it's not even about SC2.
useless post.
wasn't esgn founded by the sepinda group?
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Woah, why does remind me of own3d so much
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On May 31 2014 04:08 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 01:46 felisconcolori wrote:On May 31 2014 01:44 teddyoojo wrote:On May 31 2014 00:32 Extenz wrote:
maybe if they didn't waste money paying pretty girls spinning wheels "paying" Hey now. They can tell their non-contracted employees they'll get "paid". You try telling a pretty girl spinning wheels (aka model) you'll pay them later... it won't go well. Those girls, at least, I'm thinking were paid. I didn't watch this thing, but they had models on an esports show? clauf kingdom.
Hey, NASL had Lauren Elise, who is both a model and currently aspring to be an actress. (In addition to writing poetry and singing.) Now, she might not have been a good fit to the community for what she was doing, but she was trying at least. As far as models... well, if you see pretty girls doing silly things at an esports event or conference, odds are they're models of one kind or another. (Dr. Pepper girls at MLG. Booth babes of all kinds.) I'm just glad they are willing to put up with us.
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Thankful for booth babes? That seems rather odd.
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On May 31 2014 05:34 farvacola wrote:
Thankful for booth babes? That seems rather odd.
Thankful that they are willing to put up with the behavior exhibited by a fair number of fans at such events. Not all certainly, but a fair number.
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On May 31 2014 05:35 felisconcolori wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2014 05:34 farvacola wrote:
Thankful for booth babes? That seems rather odd. Thankful that they are willing to put up with the behavior exhibited by a fair number of fans at such events. Not all certainly, but a fair number.
money is a big motivator
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On May 31 2014 01:27 farvacola wrote:
I'm curious as to what sort of knowledge the likes of Frodan had as he began working with ESGN; surely he brought with him at least some taste of the failure that the NASL suffered. Was he just "along for the ride" so to speak, and are community figures that hop from one failed venture to another really going to play dumb in perpetuity?
I'm guessing Frodan saw an organization that had better funding that NASL (remember he joined after they were already having problems fulfilling their promised prize-pools and were scaling back).
What surprises me though is that ESGN has Snowbird, since he's from a pretty established provider, but then ESGN was also headed by someone from Korea so that probably provided some weird credibility to recruit others. I'm sure the fact that they were backed by a major investment group helped with the credibility too.
Remember too that Sapinda put the money into ESGN knowing that they would operate at a loss in the first year, so the fact that they didn't make money wasn't a problem. Nor would there have been any reason to think people taking their money knew it was just a short-term cash grab. The problem was that whoever was in charge of ESGN decided that 'operate at a loss' = don't have to follow the budget and ran out of cash and couldn't convince the invstors to give him more.
I highly doubt Frodan was involved with any of that.
My take on community figures that hop around isn't that they're cynically playing dumb or hopelessly naive. I think rather there are so few opportunities in eSports that they just have to accept lots of risks to stick around the business.
One of the guys posting/effected by the Quantic fiasco was a 10-year vet of the scene who basically said as much.
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Clauf can't pay pay out money?????????????????????
IT CANT BE!!!!!!!!!!!!
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