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On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with.
did you expect them to roll over and die??
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On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with.
Yeah, that is so silly from them to even get the idea to pay people that are working for you.
By the way, as far as I know Millenium was okay to stream through twitch, because they had a mixed solution Dailymotion/twitch.
And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p.
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ToD + other people for him to talk to who get to pretend anyone cares what they are saying.
Regardless, if this is featuring on TL stream list I'll check it out.
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On May 11 2014 21:31 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 19:09 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 18:34 GreenFate wrote:On May 11 2014 16:57 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 11:39 Agathon wrote:On May 11 2014 07:18 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 05:36 Aeromi wrote:On May 11 2014 05:34 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 02:37 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is this another case of organisations who stream using other providers than Twitch losing out? Read the thread still not 100% on all the ins and outs! twitch sponsors wcs/esl esl tells ogaming they can't stream on their own platform ogaming don't want to use twitch because they can't get as much money and refuse to use twitch esl partners with someone who does stream on twitch ogaming gets mad because... well who knows O'Gaming is not mad. who's mad then? someone is definitely mad! If IKEA or H&M was the main and only sponsor DH, wouldn't you be pissed? It's close to what's happening in France with JV.com hm, no?  It's more about that : 1/ The communities that developed SC2 in France by themselves (Millenium, OGaming, aAa) are not involved in this new casting project, which seems ungrateful from ESL. However, remember that these communities said they couldn't run a beneficial project with twitch, but running it through twitch is part of Blizzard's contract so ... 2/ There is also the fact that JVC is a big website sponsored by some ad company (thus seen as the big bad wolf), and is said to be only followed by teenagers (which is not a really reasonable argument, as I believe it is the most followed gaming website in France?). How is it ungrateful when it's ogaming who refuse to work with the partner of esl & wcs? They had every chance in the world to stream on twitch and adjust the resources to not make a huge loss. Instead they say "our way or we won't do it at all" and then people are upset when esl give the rights to someone else. you missed the part when ogaming officials whined publicly about it on TL
Exactly and this is why it's extremely annoying.
Maybe sc2 will be exposed to more people (mostly teenagers) but aAa, Millenium and OGaming the French casting and tournament creators, the guys who literally developed the French scene will get the short end of the stick.
JVC is the most viewed gaming site in France by far like something like 20 times more than Millenium the second most viewed, it also has a terrible community (there are no mods or punishments).
To me it just seems like JVC was ready to pay alot just to get its hands on WCS and at the end of the day it will only add to the drama and tensions between French casters (like the Tod / Anoss one).
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On May 12 2014 04:39 Superouman wrote:
We should go on strike.
Spoken like a true French.
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On May 12 2014 05:52 HereBeDragons wrote:Spoken like a true French.
Yes personally I will continue to watch in English even if I like Tod casting.
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On May 12 2014 04:51 Vanadiel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with. Yeah, that is so silly from them to even get the idea to pay people that are working for you. By the way, as far as I know Millenium was okay to stream through twitch, because they had a mixed solution Dailymotion/twitch. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p.
If they're a proper company they'd understand why streaming on dailymotion when twitch is the partner isn't going to fly. Makes the whole thing all the more mindblowing.
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On May 12 2014 06:09 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 04:51 Vanadiel wrote:On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with. Yeah, that is so silly from them to even get the idea to pay people that are working for you. By the way, as far as I know Millenium was okay to stream through twitch, because they had a mixed solution Dailymotion/twitch. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. If they're a proper company they'd understand why streaming on dailymotion when twitch is the partner isn't going to fly. Makes the whole thing all the more mindblowing.
And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p.
mindblown
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
Best thing about this is no more "no french stream  " comments from aeromi. jk love you Aeromi
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On May 12 2014 04:51 Vanadiel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with. Yeah, that is so silly from them to even get the idea to pay people that are working for you. By the way, as far as I know Millenium was okay to stream through twitch, because they had a mixed solution Dailymotion/twitch. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p.
You know it's Free who is at fault and not Twitch right ? Same goes for Orange.
As for a French stream, I'll try it since there's nobody from OGTV this time. I can't watch/listen casters in there late 20s/early 30s speaking like teenage retards anymore. I hope Tod/Makoz/TKL will be able to provide proper commentary in French. That would be new.
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I am kind of sad too, to see WCS getting away from those people who made e-sport in France. A bit reassured though to see Kaoru also being behind the project. Wait and see, but I doubt they will make me look away from the english stream. Makoz usually makes me fall asleep.
To give an idea of twitch CPM in France: recently ToD mentioned that he earned (I think it was) 94 dollars for 51 hours of stream. He said he will be switching to Dailymotion for his personal stream, where he would have maybe 10-20x more.
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On May 12 2014 06:44 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 06:09 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 04:51 Vanadiel wrote:On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with. Yeah, that is so silly from them to even get the idea to pay people that are working for you. By the way, as far as I know Millenium was okay to stream through twitch, because they had a mixed solution Dailymotion/twitch. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. If they're a proper company they'd understand why streaming on dailymotion when twitch is the partner isn't going to fly. Makes the whole thing all the more mindblowing. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. mindblown
You don't circumvent partnerships because one isp in france has issues. Not sure why you think this is even relevant.
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On May 12 2014 15:04 Opera wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 04:51 Vanadiel wrote:On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with. Yeah, that is so silly from them to even get the idea to pay people that are working for you. By the way, as far as I know Millenium was okay to stream through twitch, because they had a mixed solution Dailymotion/twitch. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. You know it's Free who is at fault and not Twitch right ? Same goes for Orange.
Of course I know, so what? If Free and Orange didn't changed their politics when everyone complained about Google website like Youtube beeing unsuable at certain times, so there is no chance in hell that they would do it for a minor website like twitch.
nkr : If the stream is unwatchable for the public you are aiming , it does matter a tiny little bit! Yay, let's do a stream that no one can watch, that is so useful!
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On May 12 2014 16:39 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 06:44 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On May 12 2014 06:09 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 04:51 Vanadiel wrote:On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with. Yeah, that is so silly from them to even get the idea to pay people that are working for you. By the way, as far as I know Millenium was okay to stream through twitch, because they had a mixed solution Dailymotion/twitch. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. If they're a proper company they'd understand why streaming on dailymotion when twitch is the partner isn't going to fly. Makes the whole thing all the more mindblowing. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. mindblown You don't circumvent partnerships because one isp in france has issues. Not sure why you think this is even relevant.
What's the purpose of a French stream that doesn't work with French ISPs?
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On May 12 2014 17:58 endy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 16:39 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 06:44 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On May 12 2014 06:09 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 04:51 Vanadiel wrote:On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with. Yeah, that is so silly from them to even get the idea to pay people that are working for you. By the way, as far as I know Millenium was okay to stream through twitch, because they had a mixed solution Dailymotion/twitch. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. If they're a proper company they'd understand why streaming on dailymotion when twitch is the partner isn't going to fly. Makes the whole thing all the more mindblowing. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. mindblown You don't circumvent partnerships because one isp in france has issues. Not sure why you think this is even relevant. What's the purpose of a French stream that doesn't work with French ISPs?
Problems with an ISP does not equal doesn't work at all in France.
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On May 12 2014 18:39 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 17:58 endy wrote:On May 12 2014 16:39 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 06:44 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On May 12 2014 06:09 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 04:51 Vanadiel wrote:On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with. Yeah, that is so silly from them to even get the idea to pay people that are working for you. By the way, as far as I know Millenium was okay to stream through twitch, because they had a mixed solution Dailymotion/twitch. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. If they're a proper company they'd understand why streaming on dailymotion when twitch is the partner isn't going to fly. Makes the whole thing all the more mindblowing. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. mindblown You don't circumvent partnerships because one isp in france has issues. Not sure why you think this is even relevant. What's the purpose of a French stream that doesn't work with French ISPs? Problems with an ISP does not equal doesn't work at all in France.
26.7 millions of French people have Orange as ISP.
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So how come jeuxvideo (who I assume are French) works with twitch if twitch doesnt work in France? It doesn't add up.
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On May 12 2014 18:43 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 18:39 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 17:58 endy wrote:On May 12 2014 16:39 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 06:44 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On May 12 2014 06:09 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 04:51 Vanadiel wrote:On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with. Yeah, that is so silly from them to even get the idea to pay people that are working for you. By the way, as far as I know Millenium was okay to stream through twitch, because they had a mixed solution Dailymotion/twitch. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. If they're a proper company they'd understand why streaming on dailymotion when twitch is the partner isn't going to fly. Makes the whole thing all the more mindblowing. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. mindblown You don't circumvent partnerships because one isp in france has issues. Not sure why you think this is even relevant. What's the purpose of a French stream that doesn't work with French ISPs? Problems with an ISP does not equal doesn't work at all in France. 26.7 millions of French people have Orange as ISP.
The real question is how many of this 26.7 millions have interest in watching an esport stream ?
So many people have Orange as an ISP because it used to be the national landline provider and it's the only ISP which actually provides an internet connection everywhere in France.
Plus, Orange owns Dailymotion, there is absolutely no reason for them to pay to raise their bandwith to allow better access to competition (be it youtube or twitch).
On May 12 2014 18:50 nkr wrote:
So how come jeuxvideo (who I assume are French) works with twitch if twitch doesnt work in France? It doesn't add up.
Twitch is the official broadcaster of WCS. I suppose no other streaming site broadcasts the tournament.
To settle the twitch/France discussion:
There are only two ISPs in France that have problems with TwitchTv (and youtube) which are Orange and Free. The problem comes form the fact that neither of this providers are willing to reach a deal with Cogent (ISP for twitch and youtube) to enhance connectivity between their respective networks, mainly because of the asymetric data flow (more data go form USA to France than the opposite)
More info about Orange/Cogent (2011, not settled since. Still in court ?):
http://www.telecompaper.com/news/cogent-files-competition-complaint-against-orange-france--823594
http://www.telecompaper.com/news/orange-to-sue-cogent-seeks-fair-peering-deal--781492
I didn't find any article written in English about the Free/Cogent issue but the causes are basically the same as the ones with Orange.
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China6326 Posts
Come on, twitch is worse in China since their Singapore datacenter is close to dead, if not for WCS AM having Chinese players we are not going to have any WCS cast, even that only Chinese playdays and the finals of WCS AM and EU are broadcasted.
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