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ESL and jeuxvideo.com's new WebTV, Gaming Live, are delighted to announce that the World Championship Series (WCS) Season 2 will be available in French on TwitchTV's WCS_FR channel with a crew of StarCraft II experts and enthusiasts.
Our stream will be available in two formats:
• HQ Stream, streamed from our studio in Paris, with StarCraft II analysts, interactions with Pro Players and community participation through social network.
• “Homemade" stream by our casters, when the schedule will not allow us to bring everyone to our Studio.
First we’re going to cover WCS Europe through Premier League’s group coverage, and if the French audience is interested in more content, we might provide them with French WCS NA broadcasts as well.
In this adventure, we are going to bring along some of the finest casters from France.
Our casters:
ToD
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Hc8P91b.jpg)
ToD is one of the most experienced players on the French Esport scene.
When we approached him with this project, he told us he was willing for quite some time to cast StarCraft II in French. He seized the opportunity to jump into this project.
Because he is a part of the WCS official English cast for Ro16 & Ro8, he will mainly focus on WCS Ro32 Group in French and provide his expert analysis to our panel.
If you’re not already following him on Twitter and Facebook, you should via:
His Twitter
His Facebook
Mak0z
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WQbfy4S.png)
One of the first casters in France, Mak0z is known to be a very analytic and "how to play" caster. He was also a top Zerg player and is currently one of the most active casters in the French StarCraft II scene. He and ToD will be our main casting duo.
His Twitter
His Facebook
TKL
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WJroY0D.jpg)
He is one of the up and coming StarCraft II casters in France and is currently working for aAa.eu.
TK is a fresh face in our group of WCS casters, we are sure that you will grow fond of him quickly.We want to give other casters a chance as well to cast the best StarCraft II competition in French –so stay tuned for more WCS action in French.
His Twitter
Additional talenst which be picked for the casts based on their deep knowledge and expertise in SC2:
Our analysts:
LeLfe
LeLfe is well known among the TeamLiquid community as the man behind the IronSquid I & II communication for English speakers, he is currently the E-Sport specialist for Redbull France (redbull.com/fr/fr/games) and www.Gamekult.com. He will work with us on our Analyst Desk and will host the show.
His Twitter
Kere
He worked on Iron Squid I & II and being the E-Sport specialist for www.jeuxvideo.com, he will be in charge of promoting WCS Europe on the homepage of JVC. He will also be part of our WCS Analyst desk.
His Twitter
Open Casters Desk:
The major amount of casts will feature the talent presented above; however they will be supported by additional guest analysts, Pro-players, and Community personalities during our shows.
That being said, we do not want to create a closed environment for WCS in France, quite the opposite in fact – we are open for new talent to join.
We want WCS to benefit from the expertise of all the French StarCraft II casters and talents. You want to cast WCS in French? Get in contact with us and share our passion for StarCraft II along with the French WCS viewers!
This is how we hope to provide the best possible French WCS coverage - the open caster desk is supposed to be a celebration and get together of the audience, talents and everyone who loves to watch StarCraft II..
If you’re French, we are more than happy to talk with you about our casts. We’ll be eager to hear your feedback, please feel free to share your ideas and suggestions with us.
If you’re not French… learn some French to enjoy our cast of the WCS! And if you’re too lazy to learn French, we know you’ll enjoy ToD’s accent during Ro16 & Ro8.
WCS Ro32
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/u9tbLbJ.jpg)
About jeuxvideo.com
Jeuxvideo.com is a French video game news website founded in 1997. For 17 years, jeuxvideo.com editors have been covering the video game industry through news, game previews and reviews as well as live coverage of main video game events.
In November 2013, according to Alexa ranking, jeuxvideo.com went above 600 million page views per month, making it the leading worldwide video game news website.
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Oh so surprising to see the terrible ESL.fr organization creeping back again.
Well if it can get 12y old into SC2, that would still be a win.
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OMG A FRENCH STREAM, IS THIS POSSIBLE ?
It's not a surprise at all. 
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On May 10 2014 01:47 Otolia wrote:
Oh so surprising to see the terrible ESL.fr organization creeping back again.
Well if it can get 12y old into SC2, that would still be a win.
So mad.
Anyway, cool to see JVC stepping more into esport.
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On May 10 2014 01:49 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2014 01:47 Otolia wrote:
Oh so surprising to see the terrible ESL.fr organization creeping back again.
Well if it can get 12y old into SC2, that would still be a win. So mad.
mille can still embed streams in order to get them $$$. And wait for the new Eclypsia innovation (aka scamming the advertisers)
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JV.com is coming big on the webtv scene, but i am still unsure i wanna support them.
On one hand, they're supported by an evil company and have a long history of crappy (and shady) reviews
On the other, they changed a lot, they allowed speed game to florish and brought Karim Debbache on the forefront
still sucks that P&T don't get their share of WCS, all the other casters sound dull compared to them
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Really happy with the cast. ToD/Makoz may be too much "knowledge based caster" but i guess the fun will be from the "analysts" desk.
Anyway, glad to see the drama about french WCS stream end 
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On May 10 2014 01:53 Gworkag wrote:Really happy with the cast. ToD/Makoz may be too much "knowledge based caster" but i guess the fun will be from the "analysts" desk. Anyway, glad to see the drama about french WCS stream end
If you consider Makoz "knowledgable", I have bad news for ya.
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France1887 Posts
I will continue to watch the English cast anyway, but I guess it's good news if it can bring new people to discover the e-sports scene through jeuxvideo.com
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On May 10 2014 01:53 Gworkag wrote:Really happy with the cast. ToD/Makoz may be too much "knowledge based caster" but i guess the fun will be from the "analysts" desk. Anyway, glad to see the drama about french WCS stream end
Makoz a "knowledge based caster". Interesting.
EDIT : other than that really really great news
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France7248 Posts
JVC... not sure if it's a good news
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On May 10 2014 02:05 Yhamm wrote:
JVC... not sure if it's a good news
They're apparently the only ones willing to partner up with the WCS to do it though, so it's the best news we can get.
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On May 10 2014 02:07 Shinta) wrote:They're apparently the only ones willing to partner up with the WCS to do it though, so it's the best news we can get.
They also open a dota webTV mid-May, so they definitely open to esport. Don't see how it can be a bad thing ^^
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On May 10 2014 02:05 Yhamm wrote:
JVC... not sure if it's a good news
considering how short minded mille is about sc2... and ogaming/esl relations
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just imagine the JVcom community invading the twitch chat: the ultimate horror!
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I was about to go on a lengthy rant about ToD being stolen away from the English stream, but then I actually read the announcement.
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ogaming butthurt about not getting the rights? t_t
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On May 10 2014 02:20 miniskirt wrote:
just imagine the JVcom community invading the twitch chat: the ultimate horror!
Well twitch chats are already cancer anyway.
Interesting new, only one thing to say : ![[image loading]](http://image.jeuxvideo.com/smileys_img/11.gif)
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I feel sad for Ogaming and Millenium though, they work so hard and since the beginning, invested so much into it and not getting WCS must probably hurt them. I wish the best for this new team, but I don't think I will watch it.
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French people just have this ridiculous aversion to learning foreign languages, lol. If you can't speak English your priority should be to learn it.
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France7248 Posts
On May 10 2014 03:22 Incognoto wrote:
French people just have this ridiculous aversion to learning foreign languages, lol. If you can't speak English your priority should be to learn it.
and? what's your point with this news?
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On May 10 2014 03:27 Yhamm wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2014 03:22 Incognoto wrote:
French people just have this ridiculous aversion to learning foreign languages, lol. If you can't speak English your priority should be to learn it. and? what's your point with this news?
News? It's my view; I've noticed that French people tend to speak very poor English. I think that that's a shame.
E: Indeed, that's why I see this news as trivial. Gaming is an excellent way to learn English.
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On May 10 2014 03:22 Incognoto wrote:
French people just have this ridiculous aversion to learning foreign languages, lol. If you can't speak English your priority should be to learn it.
That's completely irrelevant. Do you spit on Russian/Polish streams as well saying they should learn foreign languages as well? (There's a lot of them, and they have noticeable success....)
I do wish the french would be a bit more willing to go beyond french only, but you can't expect that from the people if they don't want to.
OT: I'd clearly have preferred that Gamekult partnered with ESL to do this. JVC is... well. Yeah, video games news for the 15 yo only (nothing against them, but even high school students are already too old to be a public of their site....It's twitch-tchat level... :/).
I guess yay...
At least they have ToD. Could be good to hear him a bit (as long as he doesn't whine on how protoss is weak). I don't know makoz enough to have an opinion. Same for TKL. And I have really bad memories of Kere, we'll see if it has improved since then.
Well, I'd have to watch the French stream to know, and that's clearly not what I'm waiting eagerly for.........
As other have pointed out, Millenium/Ogaming would have been really great partners as well.
Still really happy to hear about Lelfe though!
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Should I be happy or not?
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not
Well except if you are into 12yo boys, then you should :D
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On May 10 2014 03:34 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2014 03:22 Incognoto wrote:
French people just have this ridiculous aversion to learning foreign languages, lol. If you can't speak English your priority should be to learn it. That's completely irrelevant. Do you spit on Russian/Polish streams as well saying they should learn foreign languages as well? (There's a lot of them, and they have noticeable success....) I do wish the french would be a bit more willing to go beyond french only, but you can't expect that from the people if they don't want to. OT: I'd clearly have preferred that Gamekult partnered with ESL to do this. JVC is... well. Yeah, video games news for the 15 yo only (nothing against them, but even high school students are already too old to be a public of their site....It's twitch-tchat level... :/). I guess yay... At least they have ToD. Could be good to hear him a bit (as long as he doesn't whine on how protoss is weak). I don't know makoz enough to have an opinion. Same for TKL. And I have really bad memories of Kere, we'll see if it has improved since then. Well, I'd have to watch the French stream to know, and that's clearly not what I'm waiting eagerly for......... As other have pointed out, Millenium/Ogaming would have been really great partners as well. Still really happy to hear about Lelfe though!
I always goes to JVC for gaming news. And i'm not 15. I think you generalize wayy too much.
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Glad to see the French scene managed to work something out with Blizzard, ESL, and Twitch.
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Glad to see that the French community now has the option to watch in French.
Though I'm a little puzzled by the seemingly negative reactions, I thought this was what was desperately clamored for?
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
Uuuh so can the French in here explain the problems surrounding JVC that seems to draw so much ire?
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On May 10 2014 03:47 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2014 03:34 Ragnarork wrote:On May 10 2014 03:22 Incognoto wrote:
French people just have this ridiculous aversion to learning foreign languages, lol. If you can't speak English your priority should be to learn it. That's completely irrelevant. Do you spit on Russian/Polish streams as well saying they should learn foreign languages as well? (There's a lot of them, and they have noticeable success....) I do wish the french would be a bit more willing to go beyond french only, but you can't expect that from the people if they don't want to. OT: I'd clearly have preferred that Gamekult partnered with ESL to do this. JVC is... well. Yeah, video games news for the 15 yo only (nothing against them, but even high school students are already too old to be a public of their site....It's twitch-tchat level... :/). I guess yay... At least they have ToD. Could be good to hear him a bit (as long as he doesn't whine on how protoss is weak). I don't know makoz enough to have an opinion. Same for TKL. And I have really bad memories of Kere, we'll see if it has improved since then. Well, I'd have to watch the French stream to know, and that's clearly not what I'm waiting eagerly for......... As other have pointed out, Millenium/Ogaming would have been really great partners as well. Still really happy to hear about Lelfe though! I always goes to JVC for gaming news. And i'm not 15. I think you generalize wayy too much.
just the good ol' "since i don't like it it's for suckers" attitude.
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On May 10 2014 04:40 Fusilero wrote:
Uuuh so can the French in here explain the problems surrounding JVC that seems to draw so much ire?
they're not in the sc2 scene that much and there were problems with their game reviews in the past. Which is still 1.000 times better than what millenium did regarding its streams.
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On May 10 2014 04:40 Fusilero wrote:
Uuuh so can the French in here explain the problems surrounding JVC that seems to draw so much ire?
imagine gametrailers announcing they're gonna stream WCS
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People are totally missing out on the big picture here.
Nobody cares about the fact that jvc is a terrible news website, or not.
They are the biggest gaming website in french, and they are willing to broadcast, produce and promote WCS.
They have a huge audience, and they do not promote WCS on a secondary website, or a hidden section, they put it on the frontpage.
They better ace this, it's another shot for SC2 to gain a lot of new viewers in France.
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On May 10 2014 04:40 ACrow wrote:
Glad to see that the French community now has the option to watch in French.
Though I'm a little puzzled by the seemingly negative reactions, I thought this was what was desperately clamored for?
It's a rather bad new for french esport. The Gaming Live caster casted with Ogaming Tv (you notice the name is pretty the same), but they have left to go to jeuxvideo.com's (known for his community of immature teenagers...).
It's not about having a french stream or not, but Ogaming had made a lot of internationnal SC2 event : Ironsquid I, II, Nation wars I, II, a french tournament. Jeuxvideo.com has done... nothing for esport.
If Ogaming fails, can't cast major event, lose money, they could stop doing SC2 event, and focus more on LOL.
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I was a bit skeptical when I saw jeuxvideo.com in the title of the thread, but then I saw the casters/analysts list and I think this is pretty good !
ToD and Makoz are really good casters ! As far I love Pomf&Thud, I must say they are not as good in a technical approach. So yes, I think it's great for the french community. But I will continue to watch Apollo/Kaelaris.
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Nooooo.. don't steal my ToD from me.. ;(
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the todski comments I wanted them in english 
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Haha, i think i'll give some French casted Starcraft a try now
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On May 10 2014 05:24 ejozl wrote:
Nooooo.. don't steal my ToD from me.. ;(
ToD will only cast the ro32 in French and will cast with ESL as usual the rest of the tournament. So don't worry 
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It always leads to some weird Frenglish which is ugly to hear. It's not that casters are bad but we're used to write this Frenglish and it's ok to read but to hear it is another story.
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For people who don't realize , it's like gamespot producing and advertising WCS on their frontpage in the US. And all you read in this thread is people saying "NASL should have gotten it".Overall, It's a very good news.
It's way better for SC2 than ogaming having it. It helps it grow.
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On May 10 2014 05:23 Tyrhanius wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2014 04:40 ACrow wrote:
Glad to see that the French community now has the option to watch in French.
Though I'm a little puzzled by the seemingly negative reactions, I thought this was what was desperately clamored for? It's a rather bad new for french esport. The Gaming Live caster casted with Ogaming Tv (you notice the name is pretty the same), but they have left to go to jeuxvideo.com's (known for his community of immature teenagers...). It's not about having a french stream or not, but Ogaming had made a lot of internationnal SC2 event : Ironsquid I, II, Nation wars I, II, a french tournament. Jeuxvideo.com has done... nothing for esport. If Ogaming fails, can't cast major event, lose money, they could stop doing SC2 event, and focus more on LOL.
if ogaming PR didn't shit on the ESL they would've the WCS. sadly they can't even begin to have a half decent communication.
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On May 10 2014 05:19 Fiallach wrote:
People are totally missing out on the big picture here.
Nobody cares about the fact that jvc is a terrible news website, or not.
They are the biggest gaming website in french, and they are willing to broadcast, produce and promote WCS.
They have a huge audience, and they do not promote WCS on a secondary website, or a hidden section, they put it on the frontpage.
They better ace this, it's another shot for SC2 to gain a lot of new viewers in France.
Exactly. It's good for sc2
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On May 10 2014 05:44 vinsang1000 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2014 05:19 Fiallach wrote:
People are totally missing out on the big picture here.
Nobody cares about the fact that jvc is a terrible news website, or not.
They are the biggest gaming website in french, and they are willing to broadcast, produce and promote WCS.
They have a huge audience, and they do not promote WCS on a secondary website, or a hidden section, they put it on the frontpage.
They better ace this, it's another shot for SC2 to gain a lot of new viewers in France. Exactly. It's good for sc2
This, like it or not, in the end it will be a good thing for the french scene.
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Glad to see that the french viewers finally have their own stream.
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On May 10 2014 05:39 Fiallach wrote:
For people who don't realize , it's like gamespot producing and advertising WCS on their frontpage in the US. And all you read in this thread is people saying "NASL should have gotten it".Overall, It's a very good news.
It's way better for SC2 than ogaming having it. It helps it grow.
Thanks for the explanation. Sounds awesome.
It's getting to be a bit of a running joke for me how every time there's news out of France, the French posters cry in unison that it's the worst news ever... and no one else has any idea what's going on and why it's bad.
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I'm looking forward to ogaming's response and the ensuing drama?!?
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On May 10 2014 05:50 pure.Wasted wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2014 05:39 Fiallach wrote:
For people who don't realize , it's like gamespot producing and advertising WCS on their frontpage in the US. And all you read in this thread is people saying "NASL should have gotten it".Overall, It's a very good news.
It's way better for SC2 than ogaming having it. It helps it grow. Thanks for the explanation. Sounds awesome. It's getting to be a bit of a running joke for me how every time there's news out of France, the French posters cry in unison that it's the worst news ever... and no one else has any idea what's going on and why it's bad.
we have to assume our location with a bit of complain you know :D
overall it's a great news, i didn't expect this at all
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On May 10 2014 05:54 Waxangel wrote:
I'm looking forward to ogaming's response and the ensuing drama?!?
Jokes aside i don't think it's going to happen. Kaoru from team acer and kere are behind this, and they worked with ogaming quite a lot. They are good friends, to the best of my knowledge. Plus ogaming has to realize too what it represents for SC2, and their upcoming tournament could use some spotlight.
Some other casters may create drama, though. The french scene is a mess.
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On May 10 2014 05:59 Fiallach wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2014 05:54 Waxangel wrote:
I'm looking forward to ogaming's response and the ensuing drama?!? Jokes aside i don't think it's going to happen. Kaoru from team acer and kere are behind this, and they worked with ogaming quite a lot. They are good friends, to the best of my knowledge. Plus ogaming has to realize too what it represents for SC2, and their upcoming tournament could use some spotlight. Some other casters may create drama, though. The french scene is a mess.
nobody care about anoss nowaday
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On May 10 2014 05:40 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2014 05:23 Tyrhanius wrote:On May 10 2014 04:40 ACrow wrote:
Glad to see that the French community now has the option to watch in French.
Though I'm a little puzzled by the seemingly negative reactions, I thought this was what was desperately clamored for? It's a rather bad new for french esport. The Gaming Live caster casted with Ogaming Tv (you notice the name is pretty the same), but they have left to go to jeuxvideo.com's (known for his community of immature teenagers...). It's not about having a french stream or not, but Ogaming had made a lot of internationnal SC2 event : Ironsquid I, II, Nation wars I, II, a french tournament. Jeuxvideo.com has done... nothing for esport. If Ogaming fails, can't cast major event, lose money, they could stop doing SC2 event, and focus more on LOL. if ogaming PR didn't shit on the ESL they would've the WCS. sadly they can't even begin to have a half decent communication.
The problem seems to be twitch.tv. If Ogaming are forced to cast on twitch, they can't cast without losing money of course they won't cast. It's like instead of being paid for working, you must pay for working.
Ironsquid prod was way better than ESL prod. I've seen Ironsquid II on live, that was amazing. When you compared it to a WCS prod, WCS looks really poor. So i'm bit sad of this new, cause i think if this goes on there will be never Ironsquid III.
I like a lot Makoz, haven't heard Tod casting in french a lot but Makoz/Tod seem to be a good duo caster, but the fact they leave Ogaming Tv for Jeuxvideos.com is sad. Jeuxvideos.com probably just want a webtv to promote their website, but they certainly won't make tournaments.
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On May 10 2014 05:54 Waxangel wrote:
I'm looking forward to ogaming's response and the ensuing drama?!?
One of the main casters said that O'Gaming Tv will not help to cast WCS on jeuxvideo.com. But that guy is not 100 % reliable so nothing official. I think O'Gaming TV will be very professional.
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The stream will be on twitch, it's a sad news for french people because twitch is unwatchable if you have an internet provider like Free.
In the crew ToD is the only one to be a good caster.
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On May 10 2014 04:40 Fusilero wrote:
Uuuh so can the French in here explain the problems surrounding JVC that seems to draw so much ire?
Basically, to explain the way I see (but maybe I'm wrong, no one has the big picture) it would be like if Day9 and his team wanted to cast WCS, are in negotiation with blizzard to get it for a long time and finally the stream goes to IGN/Gamester. I don't know what is behind the doors, what I know at some point the problem was that they wanted to use dailymotion instead of twitch because the production cost were higher than anything they could hope to earn from twitch (this is a particularity of France, where you get less money from twitch per viewers than anywhere else). Edit: But I'm unsure that was the only issue because it also looked like Millenium accepted to stream on twitch either and they didn't got it either.
It is sad, for me who have followed them from the beginning and went to these awesome events the ogaming crew organized like both Ironsquid 1 and 2, and also for Millenium for the support they bring to starcraft (Millenium cup, stephano carrier... etc) to see getting, by the look of it, 'kinda fucked'. All I'm saying is that I am disappointed that those who put so much effort, so much passion and worked a lot to propose very good quality show are left behind from wcs.
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just hope the stream quality wouldnt be as bad and unprofessional as all the article on jv.com. this site is well known for having awful writing.
I just saw the quality of show for nation wars brought by P&T, im really sad they were put away.
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They should make the WCS open to anyone who wants to cast it. If they dare... I bet the official stream wouldn't be the one with the most viewers.
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On May 10 2014 07:01 babobbyj wrote:
They should make the WCS open to anyone who wants to cast it. If they dare... I bet the official stream wouldn't be the one with the most viewers.
which company would give away their product for free lol? + the official english stream is pretty damn good.
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On May 10 2014 06:55 SSVnormandy wrote:
just hope the stream quality wouldnt be as bad and unprofessional as all the article on jv.com. this site is well known for having awful writing.
well it's not like ogaming are making good game reviews themselves, their reviews are blatant advertisement
ogaming pretty much turned into gameblog
it does suck to see kaoru leaving ogaming, though, he's the one making IS happen in the first place
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They pay ToD (probably a ton), Kere and Lelfe (probably a respectable amount of money considering the quality of the guys), I hope Makoz cost what he's worth (nothing).
Considering they stream on twitch in France, I wonder how they except any ROI.
Let see. It could be better though. If they asked Zerator or Anoss to cast, they could have asked money from them considering their "fame".
EDIT : In addition, jeuxvideo.com (videogame.com in english) is already the first french web site about video games but one of the leasts about esport. I they want to compete Millenium or aAa on this topic, I must respect their courage.
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I'm not going to lie, I feel fucked by the ESL ... P&T deserve so much more than that 12y/o JVC ... It's actually a sad day for french webtvs and as a french, i'm going to boycott the french stream and watch only english.
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On May 10 2014 07:41 Agathon wrote:
Considering they stream on twitch in France, I wonder how they except any ROI.
they are owned by an advertisement company, i doubt they're going to roll ads using twitch, and instead will have their own ads streamed
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What a mess my friends, what a mess.
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On May 10 2014 05:59 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2014 05:59 Fiallach wrote:On May 10 2014 05:54 Waxangel wrote:
I'm looking forward to ogaming's response and the ensuing drama?!? Jokes aside i don't think it's going to happen. Kaoru from team acer and kere are behind this, and they worked with ogaming quite a lot. They are good friends, to the best of my knowledge. Plus ogaming has to realize too what it represents for SC2, and their upcoming tournament could use some spotlight. Some other casters may create drama, though. The french scene is a mess. nobody care about anoss nowaday
Anoss is the single reason i stopped watching O'gaming. Now i still watch Underdogs, but mute the stream whenever he is casting... I just don't get it how he came to that position.
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Heh, It was just a matter of time and I'm happy they got things sorted for season 2 .
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Good news for JV.com I guess, but hey, I just open french stream to help them usually and listen the english stream..
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Really sad for Ogaming as well, I mean they're the face of esports in france. I really appreciate Tod and Makoz, but O'gaming really brings the vibe, with a healthy dose of craziness and joyful bullsh*t.
I could watch games just to hear Pomf et Thud commenting it, just I would do for Tasteless and Artosis. I just can't get that from Kere et al. The worse being Penguin, Zombiegrub and all.
I don't think blizzard realizes how charismatic the Ogaming crew is.
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As much as I'm not fond of JVC at all, it's about time a relatively big company in France took care of the WCS broadcast and not these half-assed "pros" from OGTV or other small web tv. I like Pomf & Thud but man are some guys at OGTV stupid drama queens who basically took the whole french audience as hostage for months.
Considering it's not the actual crappy staff of JVC who cast, I'm fine with Tod and these former OGTV dudes. I'm already set for the english stream but I'd gladly take a glimpse on the french one from time to time. At least SC2 is already guaranteed a better visibility. It really is the best outcome possible both for SC2 and the french audience considering the situation we were in.
Also I am laughing at the misconception of some people here who think that JVC's audience is full of dumb immature 12 y/o kids. Their forum sure is plagued, as much as a Twitch chat is. And I don't think many people here really believe than Twitch's chat is representative of the majority of its audience.
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On May 10 2014 02:20 miniskirt wrote:
just imagine the JVcom community invading the twitch chat: the ultimate horror!
Haha that would be a hybrid of pest and cholera.
Jv.com is still the community where I posted the most after TL Haven't posted there for almost a decade though.
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For those who wants to understand why this news isn't considerred as good as it could be expected.
JV.com is a big videogame website, but is also one of the most controversial. Of course, they did some good stuff, but they've one of the most stupid community that has ever existed around the web. homophobia, sexism, transphobia... God, I hope Scarlett will never heard about what will be said on the chat, 'cause this could be the equivalent of /b/ raid. (And I'm not kidding sadly...)
Sooooo... well I'll give it a try (mostly because of Tod in fact, I pretty much prefer english stream to french) but I'm very very sceptical to say the least.
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ToD is such an aweful caster
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It's sad that Romendil won't cast it ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/TP3vfa4.png)
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On May 10 2014 18:34 algue wrote:ToD is such an aweful caster
You just lost your credibility ... You're allowed to not like le ToD, no problem. But to say he is an aweful caster is blasphemy !
He is known to be one of the best caster.
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Stephano's re-appearance getting a high-stakes hit ?
Anyways - Gratz guys, French community deserves it.. Maybe deserves even better considering the high percentage of viewers really..
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Northern Ireland24321 Posts
Is this another case of organisations who stream using other providers than Twitch losing out? Read the thread still not 100% on all the ins and outs!
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On May 11 2014 02:37 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is this another case of organisations who stream using other providers than Twitch losing out? Read the thread still not 100% on all the ins and outs!
twitch sponsors wcs/esl
esl tells ogaming they can't stream on their own platform
ogaming don't want to use twitch because they can't get as much money and refuse to use twitch
esl partners with someone who does stream on twitch
ogaming gets mad because... well who knows
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On May 11 2014 05:34 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 02:37 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is this another case of organisations who stream using other providers than Twitch losing out? Read the thread still not 100% on all the ins and outs! twitch sponsors wcs/esl esl tells ogaming they can't stream on their own platform ogaming don't want to use twitch because they can't get as much money and refuse to use twitch esl partners with someone who does stream on twitch ogaming gets mad because... well who knows
O'Gaming is not mad.
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Northern Ireland24321 Posts
I vaguely recall that now actually thanks.
Within the WCS contract it makes sense for sure, can't really argue. That said I don't believe that Twitch's increasing monopoly will be good for the E-Sports scene in the long run.
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On May 11 2014 05:36 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 05:34 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 02:37 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is this another case of organisations who stream using other providers than Twitch losing out? Read the thread still not 100% on all the ins and outs! twitch sponsors wcs/esl esl tells ogaming they can't stream on their own platform ogaming don't want to use twitch because they can't get as much money and refuse to use twitch esl partners with someone who does stream on twitch ogaming gets mad because... well who knows O'Gaming is not mad.
who's mad then? someone is definitely mad!
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On May 11 2014 07:18 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 05:36 Aeromi wrote:On May 11 2014 05:34 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 02:37 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is this another case of organisations who stream using other providers than Twitch losing out? Read the thread still not 100% on all the ins and outs! twitch sponsors wcs/esl esl tells ogaming they can't stream on their own platform ogaming don't want to use twitch because they can't get as much money and refuse to use twitch esl partners with someone who does stream on twitch ogaming gets mad because... well who knows O'Gaming is not mad. who's mad then? someone is definitely mad!
Well, jeuxvideo.com send an invitation to aAa, Millenium and O'Gaming to cast with them. aAa said yes, we are still waiting for Millenium and O'Gaming.
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I'm happy JVC finally make it !
That's a great news for sc2 more visibility for sc2 in france ! hope other country will join and pls community stop Snobisme !
Snobisme is the worst think you can put into sc2 !
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On May 11 2014 07:18 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 05:36 Aeromi wrote:On May 11 2014 05:34 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 02:37 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is this another case of organisations who stream using other providers than Twitch losing out? Read the thread still not 100% on all the ins and outs! twitch sponsors wcs/esl esl tells ogaming they can't stream on their own platform ogaming don't want to use twitch because they can't get as much money and refuse to use twitch esl partners with someone who does stream on twitch ogaming gets mad because... well who knows O'Gaming is not mad. who's mad then? someone is definitely mad!
If IKEA or H&M was the main and only sponsor DH, wouldn't you be pissed?
It's close to what's happening in France with JV.com
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On May 11 2014 11:39 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 07:18 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 05:36 Aeromi wrote:On May 11 2014 05:34 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 02:37 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is this another case of organisations who stream using other providers than Twitch losing out? Read the thread still not 100% on all the ins and outs! twitch sponsors wcs/esl esl tells ogaming they can't stream on their own platform ogaming don't want to use twitch because they can't get as much money and refuse to use twitch esl partners with someone who does stream on twitch ogaming gets mad because... well who knows O'Gaming is not mad. who's mad then? someone is definitely mad! If IKEA or H&M was the main and only sponsor DH, wouldn't you be pissed? It's close to what's happening in France with JV.com
what's wrong with ikea being a sponsor?
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On May 11 2014 11:39 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 07:18 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 05:36 Aeromi wrote:On May 11 2014 05:34 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 02:37 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is this another case of organisations who stream using other providers than Twitch losing out? Read the thread still not 100% on all the ins and outs! twitch sponsors wcs/esl esl tells ogaming they can't stream on their own platform ogaming don't want to use twitch because they can't get as much money and refuse to use twitch esl partners with someone who does stream on twitch ogaming gets mad because... well who knows O'Gaming is not mad. who's mad then? someone is definitely mad! If IKEA or H&M was the main and only sponsor DH, wouldn't you be pissed? It's close to what's happening in France with JV.com
hm, no?
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On May 11 2014 11:39 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 07:18 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 05:36 Aeromi wrote:On May 11 2014 05:34 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 02:37 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is this another case of organisations who stream using other providers than Twitch losing out? Read the thread still not 100% on all the ins and outs! twitch sponsors wcs/esl esl tells ogaming they can't stream on their own platform ogaming don't want to use twitch because they can't get as much money and refuse to use twitch esl partners with someone who does stream on twitch ogaming gets mad because... well who knows O'Gaming is not mad. who's mad then? someone is definitely mad! If IKEA or H&M was the main and only sponsor DH, wouldn't you be pissed? It's close to what's happening in France with JV.com
As long as they have money. Please post real arguments if you want to be credible.
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On May 11 2014 16:57 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 11:39 Agathon wrote:On May 11 2014 07:18 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 05:36 Aeromi wrote:On May 11 2014 05:34 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 02:37 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is this another case of organisations who stream using other providers than Twitch losing out? Read the thread still not 100% on all the ins and outs! twitch sponsors wcs/esl esl tells ogaming they can't stream on their own platform ogaming don't want to use twitch because they can't get as much money and refuse to use twitch esl partners with someone who does stream on twitch ogaming gets mad because... well who knows O'Gaming is not mad. who's mad then? someone is definitely mad! If IKEA or H&M was the main and only sponsor DH, wouldn't you be pissed? It's close to what's happening in France with JV.com hm, no?
It's more about that :
1/ The communities that developed SC2 in France by themselves (Millenium, OGaming, aAa) are not involved in this new casting project, which seems ungrateful from ESL. However, remember that these communities said they couldn't run a beneficial project with twitch, but running it through twitch is part of Blizzard's contract so ...
2/ There is also the fact that JVC is a big website sponsored by some ad company (thus seen as the big bad wolf), and is said to be only followed by teenagers (which is not a really reasonable argument, as I believe it is the most followed gaming website in France?).
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On May 11 2014 18:34 GreenFate wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 16:57 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 11:39 Agathon wrote:On May 11 2014 07:18 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 05:36 Aeromi wrote:On May 11 2014 05:34 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 02:37 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is this another case of organisations who stream using other providers than Twitch losing out? Read the thread still not 100% on all the ins and outs! twitch sponsors wcs/esl esl tells ogaming they can't stream on their own platform ogaming don't want to use twitch because they can't get as much money and refuse to use twitch esl partners with someone who does stream on twitch ogaming gets mad because... well who knows O'Gaming is not mad. who's mad then? someone is definitely mad! If IKEA or H&M was the main and only sponsor DH, wouldn't you be pissed? It's close to what's happening in France with JV.com hm, no? It's more about that : 1/ The communities that developed SC2 in France by themselves (Millenium, OGaming, aAa) are not involved in this new casting project, which seems ungrateful from ESL. However, remember that these communities said they couldn't run a beneficial project with twitch, but running it through twitch is part of Blizzard's contract so ... 2/ There is also the fact that JVC is a big website sponsored by some ad company (thus seen as the big bad wolf), and is said to be only followed by teenagers (which is not a really reasonable argument, as I believe it is the most followed gaming website in France?).
How is it ungrateful when it's ogaming who refuse to work with the partner of esl & wcs? They had every chance in the world to stream on twitch and adjust the resources to not make a huge loss. Instead they say "our way or we won't do it at all" and then people are upset when esl give the rights to someone else.
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On May 11 2014 19:09 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 18:34 GreenFate wrote:On May 11 2014 16:57 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 11:39 Agathon wrote:On May 11 2014 07:18 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 05:36 Aeromi wrote:On May 11 2014 05:34 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 02:37 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is this another case of organisations who stream using other providers than Twitch losing out? Read the thread still not 100% on all the ins and outs! twitch sponsors wcs/esl esl tells ogaming they can't stream on their own platform ogaming don't want to use twitch because they can't get as much money and refuse to use twitch esl partners with someone who does stream on twitch ogaming gets mad because... well who knows O'Gaming is not mad. who's mad then? someone is definitely mad! If IKEA or H&M was the main and only sponsor DH, wouldn't you be pissed? It's close to what's happening in France with JV.com hm, no? It's more about that : 1/ The communities that developed SC2 in France by themselves (Millenium, OGaming, aAa) are not involved in this new casting project, which seems ungrateful from ESL. However, remember that these communities said they couldn't run a beneficial project with twitch, but running it through twitch is part of Blizzard's contract so ... 2/ There is also the fact that JVC is a big website sponsored by some ad company (thus seen as the big bad wolf), and is said to be only followed by teenagers (which is not a really reasonable argument, as I believe it is the most followed gaming website in France?). How is it ungrateful when it's ogaming who refuse to work with the partner of esl & wcs? They had every chance in the world to stream on twitch and adjust the resources to not make a huge loss. Instead they say "our way or we won't do it at all" and then people are upset when esl give the rights to someone else.
I just said that some people feel it's ungrateful. I don't say I agree with them
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How do we get in contact ? I'll be interested in commenting :p
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On May 11 2014 21:06 Nightshake wrote:
How do we get in contact ? I'll be interested in commenting :p
I think you can send a message on twitter to TKL ( @TKL_4Skilltv ) or Makoz ( makozsc2 ) or LeLfe ( @ClemLeLfe )
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On May 11 2014 19:09 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 18:34 GreenFate wrote:On May 11 2014 16:57 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 11:39 Agathon wrote:On May 11 2014 07:18 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 05:36 Aeromi wrote:On May 11 2014 05:34 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 02:37 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is this another case of organisations who stream using other providers than Twitch losing out? Read the thread still not 100% on all the ins and outs! twitch sponsors wcs/esl esl tells ogaming they can't stream on their own platform ogaming don't want to use twitch because they can't get as much money and refuse to use twitch esl partners with someone who does stream on twitch ogaming gets mad because... well who knows O'Gaming is not mad. who's mad then? someone is definitely mad! If IKEA or H&M was the main and only sponsor DH, wouldn't you be pissed? It's close to what's happening in France with JV.com hm, no? It's more about that : 1/ The communities that developed SC2 in France by themselves (Millenium, OGaming, aAa) are not involved in this new casting project, which seems ungrateful from ESL. However, remember that these communities said they couldn't run a beneficial project with twitch, but running it through twitch is part of Blizzard's contract so ... 2/ There is also the fact that JVC is a big website sponsored by some ad company (thus seen as the big bad wolf), and is said to be only followed by teenagers (which is not a really reasonable argument, as I believe it is the most followed gaming website in France?). How is it ungrateful when it's ogaming who refuse to work with the partner of esl & wcs? They had every chance in the world to stream on twitch and adjust the resources to not make a huge loss. Instead they say "our way or we won't do it at all" and then people are upset when esl give the rights to someone else.
you missed the part when ogaming officials whined publicly about it on TL
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On May 11 2014 19:09 nkr wrote:
How is it ungrateful when it's ogaming who refuse to work with the partner of esl & wcs? They had every chance in the world to stream on twitch and adjust the resources to not make a huge loss. Instead they say "our way or we won't do it at all" and then people are upset when esl give the rights to someone else.
How can you pay your employees with a 2$ CPM ? It's impossible.
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On May 11 2014 21:37 Amiralsims wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 19:09 nkr wrote:
How is it ungrateful when it's ogaming who refuse to work with the partner of esl & wcs? They had every chance in the world to stream on twitch and adjust the resources to not make a huge loss. Instead they say "our way or we won't do it at all" and then people are upset when esl give the rights to someone else. How can you pay your employees with a 2$ CPM ? It's impossible.
All other language streams can do it.
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France7248 Posts
On May 11 2014 23:27 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 21:37 Amiralsims wrote:On May 11 2014 19:09 nkr wrote:
How is it ungrateful when it's ogaming who refuse to work with the partner of esl & wcs? They had every chance in the world to stream on twitch and adjust the resources to not make a huge loss. Instead they say "our way or we won't do it at all" and then people are upset when esl give the rights to someone else. How can you pay your employees with a 2$ CPM ? It's impossible. All other language streams can do it.
twitch ads do not pay the same in each countries
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Northern Ireland24321 Posts
How does the CPM compare to other countries? Also what does it actually stand for ? I know what you're talking about but am unsure of what the acronym actually stands for.
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France7248 Posts
On May 12 2014 01:01 Wombat_NI wrote:
How does the CPM compare to other countries? Also what does it actually stand for ? I know what you're talking about but am unsure of what the acronym actually stands for.
Cost Per Mille
I don't know the exact numbers, just that it is really low in France (and I don't know the reasons either) and that Dailymotion CPM is much better (in France)
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The CPM for dailymotion is irrelevant since they're not partners with wcs nor with esl. You either suck it up and stream on twitch or you move on and do something else, no reason to be whiny about it when the option to do the stream was ogaming's all along.
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They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast.
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On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast.
Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with.
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On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with.
did you expect them to roll over and die??
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On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with.
Yeah, that is so silly from them to even get the idea to pay people that are working for you.
By the way, as far as I know Millenium was okay to stream through twitch, because they had a mixed solution Dailymotion/twitch.
And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p.
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ToD + other people for him to talk to who get to pretend anyone cares what they are saying.
Regardless, if this is featuring on TL stream list I'll check it out.
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On May 11 2014 21:31 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2014 19:09 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 18:34 GreenFate wrote:On May 11 2014 16:57 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 11:39 Agathon wrote:On May 11 2014 07:18 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 05:36 Aeromi wrote:On May 11 2014 05:34 nkr wrote:On May 11 2014 02:37 Wombat_NI wrote:
Is this another case of organisations who stream using other providers than Twitch losing out? Read the thread still not 100% on all the ins and outs! twitch sponsors wcs/esl esl tells ogaming they can't stream on their own platform ogaming don't want to use twitch because they can't get as much money and refuse to use twitch esl partners with someone who does stream on twitch ogaming gets mad because... well who knows O'Gaming is not mad. who's mad then? someone is definitely mad! If IKEA or H&M was the main and only sponsor DH, wouldn't you be pissed? It's close to what's happening in France with JV.com hm, no? It's more about that : 1/ The communities that developed SC2 in France by themselves (Millenium, OGaming, aAa) are not involved in this new casting project, which seems ungrateful from ESL. However, remember that these communities said they couldn't run a beneficial project with twitch, but running it through twitch is part of Blizzard's contract so ... 2/ There is also the fact that JVC is a big website sponsored by some ad company (thus seen as the big bad wolf), and is said to be only followed by teenagers (which is not a really reasonable argument, as I believe it is the most followed gaming website in France?). How is it ungrateful when it's ogaming who refuse to work with the partner of esl & wcs? They had every chance in the world to stream on twitch and adjust the resources to not make a huge loss. Instead they say "our way or we won't do it at all" and then people are upset when esl give the rights to someone else. you missed the part when ogaming officials whined publicly about it on TL
Exactly and this is why it's extremely annoying.
Maybe sc2 will be exposed to more people (mostly teenagers) but aAa, Millenium and OGaming the French casting and tournament creators, the guys who literally developed the French scene will get the short end of the stick.
JVC is the most viewed gaming site in France by far like something like 20 times more than Millenium the second most viewed, it also has a terrible community (there are no mods or punishments).
To me it just seems like JVC was ready to pay alot just to get its hands on WCS and at the end of the day it will only add to the drama and tensions between French casters (like the Tod / Anoss one).
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On May 12 2014 04:39 Superouman wrote:
We should go on strike.
Spoken like a true French.
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On May 12 2014 05:52 HereBeDragons wrote:Spoken like a true French.
Yes personally I will continue to watch in English even if I like Tod casting.
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On May 12 2014 04:51 Vanadiel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with. Yeah, that is so silly from them to even get the idea to pay people that are working for you. By the way, as far as I know Millenium was okay to stream through twitch, because they had a mixed solution Dailymotion/twitch. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p.
If they're a proper company they'd understand why streaming on dailymotion when twitch is the partner isn't going to fly. Makes the whole thing all the more mindblowing.
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On May 12 2014 06:09 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 04:51 Vanadiel wrote:On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with. Yeah, that is so silly from them to even get the idea to pay people that are working for you. By the way, as far as I know Millenium was okay to stream through twitch, because they had a mixed solution Dailymotion/twitch. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. If they're a proper company they'd understand why streaming on dailymotion when twitch is the partner isn't going to fly. Makes the whole thing all the more mindblowing.
And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p.
mindblown
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
Best thing about this is no more "no french stream " comments from aeromi. jk love you Aeromi
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On May 12 2014 04:51 Vanadiel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with. Yeah, that is so silly from them to even get the idea to pay people that are working for you. By the way, as far as I know Millenium was okay to stream through twitch, because they had a mixed solution Dailymotion/twitch. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p.
You know it's Free who is at fault and not Twitch right ? Same goes for Orange.
As for a French stream, I'll try it since there's nobody from OGTV this time. I can't watch/listen casters in there late 20s/early 30s speaking like teenage retards anymore. I hope Tod/Makoz/TKL will be able to provide proper commentary in French. That would be new.
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I am kind of sad too, to see WCS getting away from those people who made e-sport in France. A bit reassured though to see Kaoru also being behind the project. Wait and see, but I doubt they will make me look away from the english stream. Makoz usually makes me fall asleep.
To give an idea of twitch CPM in France: recently ToD mentioned that he earned (I think it was) 94 dollars for 51 hours of stream. He said he will be switching to Dailymotion for his personal stream, where he would have maybe 10-20x more.
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On May 12 2014 06:44 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 06:09 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 04:51 Vanadiel wrote:On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with. Yeah, that is so silly from them to even get the idea to pay people that are working for you. By the way, as far as I know Millenium was okay to stream through twitch, because they had a mixed solution Dailymotion/twitch. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. If they're a proper company they'd understand why streaming on dailymotion when twitch is the partner isn't going to fly. Makes the whole thing all the more mindblowing. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. mindblown
You don't circumvent partnerships because one isp in france has issues. Not sure why you think this is even relevant.
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On May 12 2014 15:04 Opera wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 04:51 Vanadiel wrote:On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with. Yeah, that is so silly from them to even get the idea to pay people that are working for you. By the way, as far as I know Millenium was okay to stream through twitch, because they had a mixed solution Dailymotion/twitch. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. You know it's Free who is at fault and not Twitch right ? Same goes for Orange.
Of course I know, so what? If Free and Orange didn't changed their politics when everyone complained about Google website like Youtube beeing unsuable at certain times, so there is no chance in hell that they would do it for a minor website like twitch.
nkr : If the stream is unwatchable for the public you are aiming , it does matter a tiny little bit! Yay, let's do a stream that no one can watch, that is so useful!
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On May 12 2014 16:39 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 06:44 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On May 12 2014 06:09 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 04:51 Vanadiel wrote:On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with. Yeah, that is so silly from them to even get the idea to pay people that are working for you. By the way, as far as I know Millenium was okay to stream through twitch, because they had a mixed solution Dailymotion/twitch. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. If they're a proper company they'd understand why streaming on dailymotion when twitch is the partner isn't going to fly. Makes the whole thing all the more mindblowing. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. mindblown You don't circumvent partnerships because one isp in france has issues. Not sure why you think this is even relevant.
What's the purpose of a French stream that doesn't work with French ISPs?
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On May 12 2014 17:58 endy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 16:39 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 06:44 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On May 12 2014 06:09 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 04:51 Vanadiel wrote:On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with. Yeah, that is so silly from them to even get the idea to pay people that are working for you. By the way, as far as I know Millenium was okay to stream through twitch, because they had a mixed solution Dailymotion/twitch. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. If they're a proper company they'd understand why streaming on dailymotion when twitch is the partner isn't going to fly. Makes the whole thing all the more mindblowing. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. mindblown You don't circumvent partnerships because one isp in france has issues. Not sure why you think this is even relevant. What's the purpose of a French stream that doesn't work with French ISPs?
Problems with an ISP does not equal doesn't work at all in France.
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On May 12 2014 18:39 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 17:58 endy wrote:On May 12 2014 16:39 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 06:44 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On May 12 2014 06:09 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 04:51 Vanadiel wrote:On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with. Yeah, that is so silly from them to even get the idea to pay people that are working for you. By the way, as far as I know Millenium was okay to stream through twitch, because they had a mixed solution Dailymotion/twitch. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. If they're a proper company they'd understand why streaming on dailymotion when twitch is the partner isn't going to fly. Makes the whole thing all the more mindblowing. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. mindblown You don't circumvent partnerships because one isp in france has issues. Not sure why you think this is even relevant. What's the purpose of a French stream that doesn't work with French ISPs? Problems with an ISP does not equal doesn't work at all in France.
26.7 millions of French people have Orange as ISP.
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So how come jeuxvideo (who I assume are French) works with twitch if twitch doesnt work in France? It doesn't add up.
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On May 12 2014 18:43 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 18:39 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 17:58 endy wrote:On May 12 2014 16:39 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 06:44 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On May 12 2014 06:09 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 04:51 Vanadiel wrote:On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with. Yeah, that is so silly from them to even get the idea to pay people that are working for you. By the way, as far as I know Millenium was okay to stream through twitch, because they had a mixed solution Dailymotion/twitch. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. If they're a proper company they'd understand why streaming on dailymotion when twitch is the partner isn't going to fly. Makes the whole thing all the more mindblowing. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. mindblown You don't circumvent partnerships because one isp in france has issues. Not sure why you think this is even relevant. What's the purpose of a French stream that doesn't work with French ISPs? Problems with an ISP does not equal doesn't work at all in France. 26.7 millions of French people have Orange as ISP.
The real question is how many of this 26.7 millions have interest in watching an esport stream ?
So many people have Orange as an ISP because it used to be the national landline provider and it's the only ISP which actually provides an internet connection everywhere in France.
Plus, Orange owns Dailymotion, there is absolutely no reason for them to pay to raise their bandwith to allow better access to competition (be it youtube or twitch).
On May 12 2014 18:50 nkr wrote:
So how come jeuxvideo (who I assume are French) works with twitch if twitch doesnt work in France? It doesn't add up.
Twitch is the official broadcaster of WCS. I suppose no other streaming site broadcasts the tournament.
To settle the twitch/France discussion:
There are only two ISPs in France that have problems with TwitchTv (and youtube) which are Orange and Free. The problem comes form the fact that neither of this providers are willing to reach a deal with Cogent (ISP for twitch and youtube) to enhance connectivity between their respective networks, mainly because of the asymetric data flow (more data go form USA to France than the opposite)
More info about Orange/Cogent (2011, not settled since. Still in court ?):
http://www.telecompaper.com/news/cogent-files-competition-complaint-against-orange-france--823594
http://www.telecompaper.com/news/orange-to-sue-cogent-seeks-fair-peering-deal--781492
I didn't find any article written in English about the Free/Cogent issue but the causes are basically the same as the ones with Orange.
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Come on, twitch is worse in China since their Singapore datacenter is close to dead, if not for WCS AM having Chinese players we are not going to have any WCS cast, even that only Chinese playdays and the finals of WCS AM and EU are broadcasted.
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On May 12 2014 18:50 nkr wrote:
So how come jeuxvideo (who I assume are French) works with twitch if twitch doesnt work in France? It doesn't add up.
Well twitch is watchable in France most of the time (at least for me), but depending on your ISP, your region, the time of the day and what Xavier Niel had for breakfeast in the morning, it can work like a charm or buffer on mobile quality. For the casters the main issue is more the low CPM than the stream quality I think.
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On May 12 2014 18:39 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 17:58 endy wrote:On May 12 2014 16:39 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 06:44 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On May 12 2014 06:09 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 04:51 Vanadiel wrote:On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with. Yeah, that is so silly from them to even get the idea to pay people that are working for you. By the way, as far as I know Millenium was okay to stream through twitch, because they had a mixed solution Dailymotion/twitch. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. If they're a proper company they'd understand why streaming on dailymotion when twitch is the partner isn't going to fly. Makes the whole thing all the more mindblowing. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. mindblown You don't circumvent partnerships because one isp in france has issues. Not sure why you think this is even relevant. What's the purpose of a French stream that doesn't work with French ISPs? Problems with an ISP does not equal doesn't work at all in France.
Free + Orange together have a 65% market share. Posts above provide more details about the Twitch issue.
On May 12 2014 19:03 digmouse wrote:
Come on, twitch is worse in China since their Singapore datacenter is close to dead, if not for WCS AM having Chinese players we are not going to have any WCS cast, even that only Chinese playdays and the finals of WCS AM and EU are broadcasted.
I noticed that too, but connection between China and Singapore has always been bad (from my extensive experience with Amazon Cloud which servers are located in Singapore), so the outcome not very surprising.
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It s too bad that Ponf and Thud are not casting. I expect the main audience from JVC to be casual and so P&T would have been a good thing i nthat regard.
ToD s good. I dont know much about Makoz to be honest but as long as the duo works it should be fine.
It s better to have a French stream on JVC than none at all. It might also bring some fresh blood into the scene...we'll see.
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TakeTV all the way :D
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Noooo will this mean English Stream loses TOD?
I loved his accent. Not only because it was french, I don't know he has something other French ppl who speak english dont have... + He was funny. On May 12 2014 20:50 MatKay wrote:TakeTV all the way :D
hahaha never. Not that I need to cast someone for the blind ppl.
"there are now 6 marines going to his base"
"that banshee has cloak on it and already 5 kills"
WOW SUCH DEEP ANALYSIS
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On May 13 2014 05:55 Rollora wrote:
Noooo will this mean English Stream loses TOD?
I loved his accent. Not only because it was french, I don't know he has something other French ppl who speak english dont have... + He was funny.
ToD is still a caster for the english stream.
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On May 13 2014 05:57 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2014 05:55 Rollora wrote:
Noooo will this mean English Stream loses TOD?
I loved his accent. Not only because it was french, I don't know he has something other French ppl who speak english dont have... + He was funny. ToD is still a caster for the english stream.
THX!
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On May 12 2014 15:04 Opera wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 04:51 Vanadiel wrote:On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with. Yeah, that is so silly from them to even get the idea to pay people that are working for you. By the way, as far as I know Millenium was okay to stream through twitch, because they had a mixed solution Dailymotion/twitch. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. You know it's Free who is at fault and not Twitch right ? Same goes for Orange.
not entirely, twith chooses to connect with a cheap transiter, some ISPs refuses to pay to upgrade a link while the transiter just take money
On May 12 2014 18:43 Aeromi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2014 18:39 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 17:58 endy wrote:On May 12 2014 16:39 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 06:44 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:On May 12 2014 06:09 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 04:51 Vanadiel wrote:On May 12 2014 04:02 nkr wrote:On May 12 2014 03:50 hfsrj wrote:
They actually explained that Twitch in France pays much less than elsewhere. And it's strictly not possible to have a good production while streaming on twitch. I don't know the buisness plan of this french broadcast, but I would guess they have to be subsidized, or do things very cheaply.
I will try there cast but I'm pretty sure I'm gonna prefer the English cast. Several other language streams can run a stream for wcs with probably a tenth of the viewers that France will have. If you can't bring in enough money to have excellent production then downsize it until it fits the budget. That or just don't and stop complaining about it. It baffles me how there are people even thinking there's any injustice or even anything to be slightly annoyed with. Yeah, that is so silly from them to even get the idea to pay people that are working for you. By the way, as far as I know Millenium was okay to stream through twitch, because they had a mixed solution Dailymotion/twitch. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. If they're a proper company they'd understand why streaming on dailymotion when twitch is the partner isn't going to fly. Makes the whole thing all the more mindblowing. And please remember that twitch in France is awfully bad, on Free at certain time of the day it is unwatchable even in 240p. mindblown You don't circumvent partnerships because one isp in france has issues. Not sure why you think this is even relevant. What's the purpose of a French stream that doesn't work with French ISPs? Problems with an ISP does not equal doesn't work at all in France. 26.7 millions of French people have Orange as ISP.
orange doesn't really have problems with twitch anymore (nor youtube/google)
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