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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On March 28 2014 03:36 Dinotramp wrote: What you mean do some sort of awkward LR meetup with me dressed as a frog so you can get picture evidence? Precisely that except it would be extremely not-awkward | ||
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JessicaSc2
Poland123 Posts
If Russia decides to annex all of Ukraine then that's boycott worthy. So far, they taken the part that wants to be Russian anyway. Should we boycott the united states too? Iraq and Afghanistan were invasions, but no one wants to boycott them. I'm shocked that you should compare the two. First of all they were a NATO interventions. And the NATO countries didn't annex or plan to annex any of the part of these countries. The U.S. has withdrew all forces from Iraq and the full withdrawal is in process in regards to Afghanistan. Ukraine-Russia situation is a completely different matter. I won't go into details now but you just don't invade an annex other countries because a certain majority lives there. | ||
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
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ACrow
Germany6583 Posts
 Edit: removed offtopic reply | ||
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jarod
Romania766 Posts
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yido
United States350 Posts
wish MLG would get back to being as active in the US area. Here is hoping. I'll be watching dhack from the couch till then. | ||
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
On March 28 2014 03:59 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/424359-dreamhack-open-moscow-in-october-2014 That thread was just locked for been "necro'd" | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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Serinox
Germany5224 Posts
On March 28 2014 05:34 Usagi wrote: The Moscow event puzzles me, will have to see how the situation develops in the months leading to it. It was already planned since the middle of last year. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
On March 28 2014 05:55 Greendotz wrote: That thread was just locked for been "necro'd" Jessica strikes again :D | ||
Waxangel
United States33713 Posts
On March 28 2014 02:08 R1CH wrote: Still planning to host in Russia?  I don't see what the problem is | ||
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Serinox
Germany5224 Posts
On March 28 2014 03:35 JessicaSc2 wrote: If your country got invaded would you like that everybody just didn't care? Democratic nations should stand together against the tyranny. Doing dreamhack in Russia is like saying to everyone: nothing important is happening! Carry on! What if Russia annexes more Ukraine? Or the whole Ukraine? Will you still pretend that nothing is happening? What a farce. Russia should be thoroughly boycotted and ignored at least for now until the tensions get calmer. You'd still call Ukraine a democratic nation after their legitimately elected president got overthrown even though the necessary majority to put him out of office has not been reached in parliament and with right-wing facists in the government? | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On March 28 2014 02:08 R1CH wrote: Still planning to host in Russia? Ahaha was thinking about posting exactly the same, didn't dare though On March 28 2014 06:37 Serinox wrote: You'd still call Ukraine a democratic nation after their legitimately elected president got overthrown even though the necessary majority to put him out of office has not been reached in parliament and with right-wing facists in the government? "after their legitimately elected president" that guy literally was a marionette of Russia, believing anything else would be naive. But sometimes, you have to stand up against things that just aren't right, and I guess ukraine basically did that. Thing is that serious bullshit of West vs. East is being played on ukrainian fields. Esports is something that isn't and should not be a political topic. Words like "I don't support Dreamhack Russia" don't help any ukrainian guy. If you're really willing to help and not just stand by, go there, bring some food, give shelter to people who lost their home. Go and organize demonstrations in your respective home country to try motivating people to care! I'm a german guy, and we germans don't really have huge problems, so why should we care. That's a harsh truth, but that's how it is. Many discuss current political topics, in bars, in trains, when meeting up, but none of my friends nor myself actually tries to change something. a comment on TL.net about boycotting Dreamhack Russia helps exactly as much as a facebook like prevents cancer. | ||
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Undead1993
Germany17651 Posts
On March 28 2014 06:49 boxerfred wrote: "after their legitimately elected president" that guy literally was a marionette of Russia, believing anything else would be naive. Also, I don't want to pull out weird comparisons, but Hitler was elected in germany with like 97% or so for his party. Following your logic.. no, I won't follow your logic since that's too constructed. But sometimes, you have to stand up against things that just aren't right, and I guess ukraine basically did that. this is historically wrong on so many levels, i can't even laugh | ||
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
On March 28 2014 07:01 Undead1993 wrote: this is historically wrong on so many levels, i can't even laugh it's correct, but oversimplifying. I'm just trying to give that "legit president" quote a bitter taste. I know as good as you that this "election" didn't have any democratic elements and had lots of influences like violence, restrictions on other parties, terror etc.. I'm thinking about editing my post, since it's misleading (the "Reichstagswahl" of March 1933 was with ~40% for Hitler's party and in terms of the Weimar Republic legal) and too harsh at that point. edit: just looked up. indeed that almost-100%-decision was about austria joining germany. my fail, and I am seriously sorry for that. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10307 Posts
On March 28 2014 03:58 Zealously wrote: If you want to continue this discussion, please take it to PMs or a thread on the subject. Are you guys not understanding? | ||
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Serinox
Germany5224 Posts
On March 28 2014 07:03 boxerfred wrote: it's correct, but oversimplifying. I'm just trying to give that "legit president" quote a bitter taste. I know as good as you that this "election" didn't have any democratic elements and had lots of influences like violence, restrictions on other parties, terror etc.. I'm thinking about editing my post, since it's misleading (the "Reichstagswahl" of March 1933 was with ~40% for Hitler's party and in terms of the Weimar Republic legal) and too harsh at that point. edit: just looked up. indeed that almost-100%-decision was about austria joining germany. my fail, and I am seriously sorry for that. Except that's not true. Atleast according to the final OSCE report: "The presidential election met most OSCE commitments and other international standards for democratic elections and consolidated progress achieved since 2004. The process was transparent and offered voters a genuine choice between candidates representing diverse political views." http://www.osce.org/odihr/elections/ukraine/67015 edit: Sorry didn't see, won't continue offtopic. | ||
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