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Penev
28536 Posts
On March 22 2014 02:32 Fran_ wrote: Yeah, the lying was also very childish (and sad). It's not completely certain that he lied. But it is certain that it was not just the soundproofing that prompted him to forfeit the match. | ||
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Dingodile
4139 Posts
Be #1 feels great for few days/weeks but then you hate it, especially if you dont have competition for many weeks/months/years (you can think #1 is meaningless). | ||
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Enel
Sudan430 Posts
On March 22 2014 02:10 TotalBiscuit wrote: Entire crowd booed him. Clearly they disagree with you. I as a team owner disagree with you. Had any of my players done that on that stage I would have fired them immediately. It was bad enough when CranK overslept and missed an open bracket game at an MLG, management took full responsibility for that. Then there was the issue of his lackluster play against his team-mate in WCS, there were consequences for that too. The bad publicity we received from both, well there are people who still bring up the WCS thing and that was a year ago and RO16 of a WCS America, not the biggest stage in Starcraft with $100k winner takes all. How your player acts reflects directly on the team. They are contracted to do a job and they are expected to perform their duties to a certain standard. In doing so they represent the team and their sponsors. Anything that player does which generates bad publicity reflects poorly on all of the above. This was the most severe thing I've ever seen an SC2 player do in his capacity as a player and in the context of a tournament environment. Nothing in the last 4 years comes close. So yeah, to say forfeits are not that big a deal shows an awful lot of ignorance about how the pro-scene works and how teams operate. Guess what? We are all alive. It wasn't the apocalypse. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On March 22 2014 02:32 darkness wrote: The way he was presenting his motivation was not making it any easier. It seems he was enjoying himself so much for not playing and getting paid. It's completely different from other cases of temporary absence from the scene for personal reasons, where people manage to stay humble, respectful and hopeful that they will make effort to return as soon as they can.He was probably expecting some kind of unpaid 'holiday' till he eventually finds inspiration to play SC2 again. However, it really depends how flexible a company is. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On March 22 2014 02:34 Qwerty85 wrote: This guy said it. Even though SC2 is a computer game it is also a business and contracts are something that binds you and you can't just do whatever you feel like doing and still expect the team to fulfill their part of the bargain. Just showing up isn't enough. Every profession has certain standards that need to be achieved.His actions also reflect to the team and sponsors. SC2 or anything else, Naniwa will always have problems with anything he does until he grows up and starts acting like an adult instead of thinking he is the center of the universe and everything revolves around him. Yeah, as I said in some earlier post, naniwa is not just a player, but an employee too. Players really need to realise that. Fans too. Being a professional gamer should not be viewed as plain gaming. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On March 22 2014 02:35 ThePlagueJG wrote: DO we have any proof on this? Don't just say ''because he didn't want to go there''. other players, LoL players and such said that there were no soundproofing issues. Keep in mind that soundproofing is not 100% possible without expensive equipment so you can make the same claim he did for every tourney if that's the case. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 22 2014 02:32 renaissanceMAN wrote: What exactly did he lie about? the Soundproofing? He claimed the sound proofing was the reason this cheese was detected and then went full drama queen. But if you read between the lines, it was pretty much an excuse to forfit. Came we prove it? No. But it seen more than likely Naniwa was always going to forfit. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES51632 Posts
On March 22 2014 01:46 Darkhorse wrote: I agree and I think they should've tried to find a replacement for him if he asked them to, but I also don't think it's unreasonable for them to want to have the guy they pay go and work for them. didn't he already say he was gonna call quits. | ||
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ffadicted
United States3545 Posts
On March 22 2014 00:59 TotalBiscuit wrote: As far as I'm concerned there is nothing worse than forfeiting a $100,000 exclusive high-profile event in front of a pissed off crowd and then lying about your reasons why. Forcing someone to go to a tournament he doesn't want to comes close. Should've just "fired" him before the tourney. It's both their faults for how it turned out. Good for nani to take a break tbh, no point in doign something for a living that you don't enjoy. | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On March 22 2014 02:36 Enel wrote: Guess what? We are all alive. It wasn't the apocalypse. I love the flow of this conversation: Random internet person who likes Naniwa: this was no big deal An actual team owner and investor in the SC2 scene: actually let me post this long explanation why it is a big deal Random internet person: What? No one physically died! How dont you understand, team owner and investor in SC2 scene that when someone says 'no big deal' they specifically mean the end of the world or a death of a human being. god you are such an idiot! | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17943 Posts
On March 22 2014 02:32 Fran_ wrote: Yeah, the lying was also very childish (and sad). i think some of it is Naniwa just playing "bad guy wrestler". and he feeds off of the negative reaction because he is bored. Naniwa is a modern day Andy Kaufman. people getting all riled up about this stuff ...is exactly what he is looking for. | ||
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ThePlagueJG
Sweden1010 Posts
On March 22 2014 02:37 BigFan wrote: Well, not really surprising lol. He didn't fulfill his duties as part of Alliance and got fired for it. Hope he works on his personality, more specifically his BM and such. Best of luck to him! other players, LoL players and such said that there were no soundproofing issues. Keep in mind that soundproofing is not 100% possible without expensive equipment so you can make the same claim he did for every tourney if that's the case. LoL player doesn't use booths, but it is truth that it is impossible to fully seal the sound, that's no lie. I don't like that people speculate and assume things as if they are truths. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On March 22 2014 02:37 Plansix wrote: He claimed the sound proofing was the reason this cheese was detected and then went full drama queen. But if you read between the lines, it was pretty much an excuse to forfit. Came we prove it? No. But it seen more than likely Naniwa was always going to forfit. ya, that's what I think as well. It seems like a convenient excuse since he said he wanted to leave the scene | ||
Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On March 22 2014 02:38 BLinD-RawR wrote: didn't he already say he was gonna call quits. Yes he did apparently. I don't know what this has to do with my post though :/ | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On March 22 2014 02:38 BigFan wrote: ya, that's what I think as well. It seems like a convenient excuse since he said he wanted to leave the scene If that's the case, then I'd speculate even further that he didn't want to get embarrassed be it due to lack of practice or whatever. Going proxy in game 1 in his specific case just implies lack of confidence. | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On March 22 2014 02:36 Enel wrote: Guess what? We are all alive. It wasn't the apocalypse. Good counter argument... "No one died, so I guess it doesn't matter at all." | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On March 22 2014 02:38 ThePlagueJG wrote: LoL player doesn't use booths, but it is truth that it is impossible to fully seal the sound, that's no lie. I don't like that people speculate and assume things as if they are truths. Honestly, if he really wanted to not play anymore, he should've resigned from the team way back when he first decided on it(2 months ago he stopped playing the game) then that's enough time to find replacement. He would've had to burn bridges with alliance and IEM but then he wouldn't have landed in this position. If he couldn't just resign like that, he should've just proxy 1 gated 3 games in a row or something to lose faster if he's that against playing. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On March 22 2014 02:40 darkness wrote: If that's the case, then I'd speculate even further that he didn't want to get embarrassed be it due to lack of practice or whatever. Everyone expected him to lose 0-3 anyways so there was no embarrassment to speak of lol. All he had to do was play 3 games. cmon, you can't really tell me that's hard to do >.> Heck, he could easily cheese each game like 1 gate proxy, proxy stargate and 4 gate some game. There's a chance that Polt would defend and such so within 20-30mins, he's lost but fulfilled his obligations. | ||
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ThePlagueJG
Sweden1010 Posts
On March 22 2014 02:41 BigFan wrote: Honestly, if he really wanted to not play anymore, he should've resigned from the team way back when he first decided on it(2 months ago he stopped playing the game) then that's enough time to find replacement. He would've had to burn bridges with alliance and IEM but then he wouldn't have landed in this position. If he couldn't just resign like that, he should've just proxy 1 gated 3 games in a row or something to lose faster if he's that against playing. Now that is something I can agree with, but done is done  That was my only feeling about everything. Just get destroyed and leave and everything will be good, but he chose his own way which sucked for us all. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 22 2014 02:40 Darkhorse wrote: Good counter argument... "No one died, so I guess it doesn't matter at all." See guys, Naniwa didn't murder anyone! It's Peachy Keen! | ||
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