EPTNaniwa released from Alliance - Page 19
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UnpressedWaffle
Canada74 Posts
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On March 22 2014 01:42 BLinD-RawR wrote: no point in sending a guy out who won't do his best. I agree and I think they should've tried to find a replacement for him if he asked them to, but I also don't think it's unreasonable for them to want to have the guy they pay go and work for them. | ||
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suddendeathTV
Sweden388 Posts
I agree with your points, all except the one where you claim NaNiwa is lying. You don't know that, and according to him Polt said that he could hear casters as well. Who knows if he's right or not? I know there were proxies in the finals but neither of the players understands English anyway. I do agree he should be fired for his actions though. But let's drop the "he's lying"- part. | ||
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suicideyear
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On March 22 2014 01:39 Uracil wrote: online cups ≠ 100000$ tournament in a stadium broadcasted to more than 70000 viewers Ro16 ≠ Post-semi final as well. And it was not a weekly 100$ cup, but a 5k-Invitational. Btw. I'm not trying to shit on Stephano here, I just try to demonstrate, that forfits are not that big of a deal. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On March 22 2014 01:42 Dracolich70 wrote: Yes, context is king. I am sure you would get fired for sending one of your attorneys unsuitable to take a case, because he lost it, while being warned by that employee beforehand, that he couldn't. Oh that would never happen. We are paid to take losing cases we don't want all time. Not every client hires you for a winner. No one is excited to get their ass handed to them on court, but we do it because is paychecks. So no, we always do things we don't like, because we are professionals. | ||
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FFW_Rude
France10201 Posts
On March 22 2014 01:49 Xoronius wrote: Ro16 ≠ Post-semi final as well. And it was not a weekly 100$ cup, but a 5k-Invitational. Btw. I'm not trying to shit on Stephano here, I just try to demonstrate, that forfits are not that big of a deal. Tell that to the people that came there and payed train ticket, bus ticket, taxis, hostels in order to see him play. Because you know that some people come just for one player. It exists, happens etc... But if i was to come to see Flash play after paying a 100$ train ticket, i would be PRETTY PISSED if he forfeited after 1game where he would proxy SCV his opponent in a Bo5. | ||
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Necosarius
Sweden4042 Posts
On March 22 2014 01:17 Darkhorse wrote: ... Naniwa was still under contract with Alliance correct? That would mean that they pay, he plays. I don't see why he wouldn't have to play and his "My team made me go! How dumb is that?" attitude is bullshit. Also how many times does he have to say "I don't care anymore"? He says it so much that one might take presume that he actually does care. Would it really be so hard for Alliance to simply... not pay Naniwa and let him retire peacefully? I mean, he wanted to retire anyway and said that money was not the issue. The end result would be the same except there wouldn't be a shitstorm. | ||
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FT.aCt)Sony
United States1049 Posts
On March 22 2014 01:58 Necosarius wrote: Would it really be so hard for Alliance to simply... not pay Naniwa and let him retire peacefully? I mean, he wanted to retire anyway and said that money was not the issue. The end result would be the same except there wouldn't be a shitstorm. There is probably some aspect where Alliance wont pay him due to breach of contract and breach of services. He was under contract to represent Alliance in a respectful/mannerful and well deserved meaning which he was not and did not. Hence he can cry about not getting paid all he wants when he brought it upon himself. Like I said, he's getting what he wanted. Publicity and Attention. No point in giving it to him. | ||
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leova
266 Posts
he rages at a tourney, and storms out mid-series....definitely not the proper way for a Pro Team to represent itself good riddance naniwaaaahhh | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On March 22 2014 01:56 FFW_Rude wrote: Tell that to the people that came there and payed train ticket, bus ticket, taxis, hostels in order to see him play. Because you know that some people come just for one player. It exists, happens etc... But if i was to come to see Flash play after paying a 100$ train ticket, i would be PRETTY PISSED if he forfeited after 1game where he would proxy SCV his opponent in a Bo5. Honestly I would'nt expect someone to do that for a single player in a single elim bracket. I mean, they have to count in the possibility of getting to see him for a very short time (one bo5, if things go bad). It's not that a whole weekend gets stolen away from them, if Nani would have been in bad shape, it would be highly likely that the series without the forfit would have taken about 45 minutes longer. Especially in a case like Nani, who always sees himself as a competitor, not an entertainer and is known for cancelling tourneys relatively shortly before they begin, everyone should count in the possibility of not getting to see that much. | ||
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Uracil
Germany422 Posts
On March 22 2014 01:49 Xoronius wrote: Ro16 ≠ Post-semi final as well. And it was not a weekly 100$ cup, but a 5k-Invitational. Btw. I'm not trying to shit on Stephano here, I just try to demonstrate, that forfits are not that big of a deal. The way Nanniwa did it forfits are a big deal. He could have forfited earlier and esl would have found an replacement. He would have still had problems with his team but the public backlash would have been way less. He didn't do it probably because in his mind "polt can hear the casters" sounds better than "I forfit because I'm not prepared for Polt" | ||
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Darkhorse
United States23455 Posts
On March 22 2014 01:58 Necosarius wrote: Would it really be so hard for Alliance to simply... not pay Naniwa and let him retire peacefully? I mean, he wanted to retire anyway and said that money was not the issue. The end result would be the same except there wouldn't be a shitstorm. I dunno the inner workings of the business and his contract so not sure if I can comment on that. | ||
digmouse
China6332 Posts
On March 22 2014 02:04 Uracil wrote: The way Nanniwa did it forfits are a big deal. He could have forfited earlier and esl would have found an replacement. He would have still had problems with his team but the public backlash would have been way less. He didn't do it probably because in his mind "polt can hear the casters" sounds better than "I forfit because I'm not prepared for Polt" They could even have given his spot to the 3rd place finisher of the open bracket. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11111 Posts
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On March 22 2014 02:04 Uracil wrote: The way Nanniwa did it forfits are a big deal. He could have forfited earlier and esl would have found an replacement. He would have still had problems with his team but the public backlash would have been way less. He didn't do it probably because in his mind "polt can hear the casters" sounds better than "I forfit because I'm not prepared for Polt" He tried to forfit earlier, but his team didn't let him. Do you really think, he forfeit, because he doesn't want to admit, that Polt would have beaten him? After he already played that many series in the past, where he said in the interview before, that he considered himself the underdog? At the MLG Polt won, Naniwa played him in the semis, called himself the underdog before, but still put up a fight in every game, before going down. This has nothing to do with Polt winning. | ||
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
forfits are not that big of a deal. Entire crowd booed him. Clearly they disagree with you. I as a team owner disagree with you. Had any of my players done that on that stage I would have fired them immediately. It was bad enough when CranK overslept and missed an open bracket game at an MLG, management took full responsibility for that. Then there was the issue of his lackluster play against his team-mate in WCS, there were consequences for that too. The bad publicity we received from both, well there are people who still bring up the WCS thing and that was a year ago and RO16 of a WCS America, not the biggest stage in Starcraft with $100k winner takes all. How your player acts reflects directly on the team. They are contracted to do a job and they are expected to perform their duties to a certain standard. In doing so they represent the team and their sponsors. Anything that player does which generates bad publicity reflects poorly on all of the above. This was the most severe thing I've ever seen an SC2 player do in his capacity as a player and in the context of a tournament environment. Nothing in the last 4 years comes close. So yeah, to say forfeits are not that big a deal shows an awful lot of ignorance about how the pro-scene works and how teams operate. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On March 22 2014 02:12 darkness wrote: Can anyone summarise what Naniwa did at the event? Some high level description but still descriptive enough. Thanks. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/446041-naniwa-forfeits-mid-series-at-iem-katowice Here we are! | ||
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JoeCool
Germany2520 Posts
On March 22 2014 02:12 darkness wrote: Can anyone summarise what Naniwa did at the event? Some high level description but still descriptive enough. Thanks. He was up against polt, the match started and naniwa tried a proxy-gate. Polt scouted Nanis strategy and defended accordingly, Naniwa then complained about the booth not beeing soundproof and left the arena shortly after. Polt won a Bo5 1-0. | ||
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