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On March 22 2014 02:04 Uracil wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 01:49 Xoronius wrote:On March 22 2014 01:39 Uracil wrote:On March 22 2014 01:32 Clbull wrote:On March 22 2014 01:22 Plansix wrote:On March 22 2014 01:14 Dracolich70 wrote:On March 22 2014 00:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:As far as I'm concerned there is nothing worse than forfeiting a $100,000 exclusive high-profile event in front of a pissed off crowd and then lying about your reasons why. It is never fun being humiliated, when you have already said, your heart is not in it, and yet, sent away to do. I am sure, someone as intelligent as you can understand, TB(or at least your private side of the business). Not sure, if the soundproof thing was a lie, but I find it human to fetch an excuse, when being humilated for reason you already knew beforehand. Regardless of any notion of otherwise, I am sure, most players play for their own, rather than for a bunch of people paying to watch them play out of form. Stephano forfeited plenty of tournaments as far as I recall. Not in this fashion. Context is king. And Naniwa is a grown ass adult with a job. What he did is like one of my attorneys losing it infront of a judge and getting held in contempt. You get fired for that shit. Life is hard in the working world, get a helmet. Stephano has legitimately forfeited online cups because "I'm too le tired to play." online cups ≠ 100000$ tournament in a stadium broadcasted to more than 70000 viewers Ro16 ≠ Post-semi final as well. And it was not a weekly 100$ cup, but a 5k-Invitational. Btw. I'm not trying to shit on Stephano here, I just try to demonstrate, that forfits are not that big of a deal. The way Nanniwa did it forfits are a big deal. He could have forfited earlier and esl would have found an replacement. He would have still had problems with his team but the public backlash would have been way less. He didn't do it probably because in his mind "polt can hear the casters" sounds better than "I forfit because I'm not prepared for Polt"
I think what Naniwa did was a slap in the face of Alliance. As his post suggest he didn't want to go but was "forced" to. The cause of the forfeit is probably a combination of things; Fear of being humiliated by Polt, maybe indeed annoyance about the soundproofing but also anger towards the people who made him attend IEM.
Edit: So I don't think he was just fired because of forfeiting but he evidently ended a quarrel about going to this tournament by forfeiting. At least, I can understand it if Alliance would perceive it that way.
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Pff, that post. What a huge faggot.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On March 22 2014 02:17 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 02:04 Uracil wrote:On March 22 2014 01:49 Xoronius wrote:On March 22 2014 01:39 Uracil wrote:On March 22 2014 01:32 Clbull wrote:On March 22 2014 01:22 Plansix wrote:On March 22 2014 01:14 Dracolich70 wrote:On March 22 2014 00:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:As far as I'm concerned there is nothing worse than forfeiting a $100,000 exclusive high-profile event in front of a pissed off crowd and then lying about your reasons why. It is never fun being humiliated, when you have already said, your heart is not in it, and yet, sent away to do. I am sure, someone as intelligent as you can understand, TB(or at least your private side of the business). Not sure, if the soundproof thing was a lie, but I find it human to fetch an excuse, when being humilated for reason you already knew beforehand. Regardless of any notion of otherwise, I am sure, most players play for their own, rather than for a bunch of people paying to watch them play out of form. Stephano forfeited plenty of tournaments as far as I recall. Not in this fashion. Context is king. And Naniwa is a grown ass adult with a job. What he did is like one of my attorneys losing it infront of a judge and getting held in contempt. You get fired for that shit. Life is hard in the working world, get a helmet. Stephano has legitimately forfeited online cups because "I'm too le tired to play." online cups ≠ 100000$ tournament in a stadium broadcasted to more than 70000 viewers Ro16 ≠ Post-semi final as well. And it was not a weekly 100$ cup, but a 5k-Invitational. Btw. I'm not trying to shit on Stephano here, I just try to demonstrate, that forfits are not that big of a deal. The way Nanniwa did it forfits are a big deal. He could have forfited earlier and esl would have found an replacement. He would have still had problems with his team but the public backlash would have been way less. He didn't do it probably because in his mind "polt can hear the casters" sounds better than "I forfit because I'm not prepared for Polt" I think what Naniwa did was a slap in the face of Alliance. As his post suggest he didn't want to go but was "forced" to. The cause of the forfeit is probably a combination of things; Fear of being humiliated by Polt, maybe indeed annoyance about the soundproofing but also anger towards the people who made him attend IEM.
Couldn't agree more. If he didn't want to play in the first place he should have worked with the team internally to figure that out. If they truly did force him to go (which is a dubious claim at best) then just play the series out. If he didn't care about it chances are he would have just gotten swept 3-0, which is still better than doing what he did.
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On March 22 2014 02:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:Entire crowd booed him. Clearly they disagree with you. I as a team owner disagree with you. Had any of my players done that on that stage I would have fired them immediately. It was bad enough when CranK overslept and missed an open bracket game at an MLG, management took full responsibility for that. Then there was the issue of his lackluster play against his team-mate in WCS, there were consequences for that too. The bad publicity we received from both, well there are people who still bring up the WCS thing and that was a year ago and RO16 of a WCS America, not the biggest stage in Starcraft with $100k winner takes all. How your player acts reflects directly on the team. They are contracted to do a job and they are expected to perform their duties to a certain standard. In doing so they represent the team and their sponsors. Anything that player does which generates bad publicity reflects poorly on all of the above. This was the most severe thing I've ever seen an SC2 player do in his capacity as a player and in the context of a tournament environment. Nothing in the last 4 years comes close. So yeah, to say forfeits are not that big a deal shows an awful lot of ignorance about how the pro-scene works and how teams operate.
+1
Sadly, not many other individual see this or care about this fact.
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That is some bad team management there.
Kudos to Kennigit and Redeye who had to resolve a situation which alliance management should have prevented way before.
(e: plus the referees, sorry messisio, shawn and the crew)
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On March 22 2014 02:16 JoeCool wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 02:12 darkness wrote:Can anyone summarise what Naniwa did at the event? Some high level description but still descriptive enough. Thanks.  He was up against polt, the match started and naniwa tried a proxy-gate. Polt scouted Nanis strategy and defended accordingly, Naniwa then complained about the booth not beeing soundproof and left the arena shortly after. Polt won a Bo5 1-0.
Thanks guys! I know what happened now. I think being kicked/fired in this case is justified. He's not only a player, but an employee too, so he has to listen to his team's administration.
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On March 21 2014 17:04 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 17:03 Gullis wrote:Naniwa does what Naniwa does  Professional or not from a personal view he didn't do anything that out of line. I love how desperate people are to give him shit On March 21 2014 09:54 Naniwa wrote:
im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it.
tournaments by their own skill I love how people desperately try to defend his actions!
I love how people try to make their penises look as huge as possible by flaming on forums and proving people wrong....oh wait...^_^
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On March 22 2014 02:23 TumNarDok wrote:
That is some bad team management there.
Kudos to Kennigit and Redeye who had to resolve a situation which alliance management should have prevented way before.
(e: plus the referees, sorry messisio, shawn and the crew)
Yeah, Alliance should've kicked him out as soon as he said that he's quitting/doesn't want to go to IEM.
You don't like your job? There's the door.
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On March 22 2014 02:25 Rhyno wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2014 17:04 blade55555 wrote:On March 21 2014 17:03 Gullis wrote:Naniwa does what Naniwa does Professional or not from a personal view he didn't do anything that out of line. I love how desperate people are to give him shit On March 21 2014 09:54 Naniwa wrote:
im sure that if i practice 2 weeks in the future i can make the comeback as the best foreign player at any time if i feel like it.
tournaments by their own skill I love how people desperately try to defend his actions! I love how people try to make their penises look as huge as possible by flaming on forums and proving people wrong....oh wait...^_^
good work flaming him and proving him wrong.
we can't be sure of your penis size though, please don't post a picture to prove your point in that area.
if u say its big i'll just take your word for it.
Naniwa must have the all time record for most teams played for as an SC2 pro.
with how carefully liquipedia tracks stuff someone must know for sure if this is the case.
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I'm just surprised all this was not handled more gracefully by all parties. Make an official announcement that Naniwa doesn't want to play anymore so he's released from his team and let him not play IEM, so someone takes his place.
I guess the issue was that Naniwa wanted to stay on the team, while not even playing the game and bragging about it. Well, that's tough.
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On March 22 2014 00:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
As far as I'm concerned there is nothing worse than forfeiting a $100,000 exclusive high-profile event in front of a pissed off crowd and then lying about your reasons why.
Yeah, the lying was also very childish (and sad).
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On March 22 2014 02:32 Fran_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 00:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
As far as I'm concerned there is nothing worse than forfeiting a $100,000 exclusive high-profile event in front of a pissed off crowd and then lying about your reasons why. Yeah, the lying was also very childish (and sad).
What exactly did he lie about? the Soundproofing?
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On March 22 2014 02:30 figq wrote:
I'm just surprised all this was not handled more gracefully by all parties. Make an official announcement that Naniwa doesn't want to play anymore so he's released from his team and let him not play IEM, so someone takes his place.
I guess the issue was that Naniwa wanted to stay on the team, while not even playing the game and bragging about it. Well, that's tough.
He was probably expecting some kind of unpaid 'holiday' till he eventually finds inspiration to play SC2 again. However, it really depends how flexible a company is.
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On March 22 2014 01:46 sd_andeh wrote:
I do agree he should be fired for his actions though. But let's drop the "he's lying"- part.
Polt clearly saw the probe walking by at the base of the ramp, it was in vision of his depot.
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I am on Naniwas side. Nothing more to say about it. I will wait for your return Naniwa! Your professional attitude towards practice and hard work made you the best foreigner to date. Thx for those inspiring times.
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On March 22 2014 02:32 renaissanceMAN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 02:32 Fran_ wrote:On March 22 2014 00:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
As far as I'm concerned there is nothing worse than forfeiting a $100,000 exclusive high-profile event in front of a pissed off crowd and then lying about your reasons why. Yeah, the lying was also very childish (and sad). What exactly did he lie about? the Soundproofing?
Opinions on this vary but almost everyone else said there were no soundproofing issues.
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On March 21 2014 19:35 JacobShock wrote:
Today I called in at work and told my boss they should find a replacement for me today, because I don't really feel like working right now, I just don't find it fun. But he said there would be consequences if I didn't show up to do my job, so it almost forced me to show up. It's extremely funny and they should have known, because when I got at work, I did a half assed job and went home after an hour. After that I got fired, I know what you are thinking, weird right?
This guy said it. Even though SC2 is a computer game it is also a business and contracts are something that binds you and you can't just do whatever you feel like doing and still expect the team to fulfill their part of the bargain.
Just showing up isn't enough. Every profession has certain standards that need to be achieved.His actions also reflect to the team and sponsors.
SC2 or anything else, Naniwa will always have problems with anything he does until he grows up and starts acting like an adult instead of thinking he is the center of the universe and everything revolves around him.
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On March 21 2014 17:25 b0rt_ wrote:
Is Nani rich? What is he going to do now? How do you hold a job with an attitude like that? Yeah hi guys, basically im amazing and will turn up when I feel like it, give you abuse and you'll pay me cause you suck if you don't.
I think on unfiltered someone suggested the next logical step, a naniwa reality tv series where he goes from job to job.
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On March 22 2014 02:32 Fran_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2014 00:59 TotalBiscuit wrote:
As far as I'm concerned there is nothing worse than forfeiting a $100,000 exclusive high-profile event in front of a pissed off crowd and then lying about your reasons why. Yeah, the lying was also very childish (and sad).
DO we have any proof on this? Don't just say ''because he didn't want to go there''.
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