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[Interviews] 2014 GSL Season 1 Code S Ro8 Winners - Page 2

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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 20 2014 06:43 GMT
#21
If it makes Rain feel better there are only 6 terrans in the top 16 now on the KR ladder. 6 z and 4 p
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Caladbolg
Profile Joined March 2011
2855 Posts
March 20 2014 06:43 GMT
#22
Wow all about Terrans. Rain is really laying it on thick haha.
"I don't like the word prodigy at all. To me prodigy sounds like a person who was 'gifted' all these things rather than a person who earned all these talents by hard training... I must train harder to reach my goal." - Flash
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
March 20 2014 06:49 GMT
#23
Rain turning it up to maximum crybabby
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 06:53:50
March 20 2014 06:52 GMT
#24
A little off topic, but I am relieved that all those Terran players were eliminated from the GSL before the patch took place. If not, then I feel that only TvTs would have occurred.

And even without all that, Terran is still too strong. It’s like WoL Brood Lord/Infestor level.

Just goes to show that even the best and most hard working pro gamers can be biased.
If that was Parting interview I would even think he is trolling us....
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
March 20 2014 06:56 GMT
#25
This must be why Blizzard doesn't want to nerf blink. Terran does seem strong if protoss doesn't go for blink stalker BS.
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
March 20 2014 06:57 GMT
#26
On March 20 2014 09:45 Seeker wrote:
I am relieved that all those Terran players were eliminated from the GSL before the patch took place. If not, then I feel that only TvTs would have occurred.

I feel that things have gotten very serious now that there are 10 Terran players up there. When I see things like that, I feel that I’m not the only one who does badly in PvT. Widow mines have become very OP. In fact, I actually think that BW spider mines were better.
That additional damage against shield was really big. Now Protoss can’t play using a templar build order. Once Terrans realized that, they are now so much more daring. And even without all that, Terran is still too strong. It’s like WoL Brood Lord/Infestor level.

That’s still better than facing a Terran (laughs). I don’t want to make a sick comment but it is better than facing a Terran.

Even the practice players acknowledge it. Protoss got screwed because Terran players are overwhelmingly free styling it (laughs). Protoss sucks too much. Out of a Terran buff or a Protoss nerf, only one is supposed to occur at a time but it’s so difficult since they both occurred. It’s difficult to win unless you go blink stalker, but Terran players who know how to block it block it really well.

I don’t think I can because Terran is so OP. That’s how much confidence I am lacking. But I am relieved since there’s only one Terran player.

It will be difficult for PartinG since he’s Protoss (laughs).

Even before the patch took place, Maru himself stated that Terran was doable. Now that the patch is here, just imagine how much stronger he got.

this is essentially everything that Rain said that is terran related. That's like half the interview T_T I haven't been following patches and such but is it really that bad? IEM had a protoss winner and it seems that protoss players are doing well as a whole so what's with the complaining? This isn't like Rain from what I recall >.> Aside from that, thanks Seeker!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
March 20 2014 07:08 GMT
#27
"Terran OP and Zest is good because he plays like I do."
I hope that SKT whine hasn´t gotten to him, finally.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
March 20 2014 07:30 GMT
#28
lol rain's terrain whine haha
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
March 20 2014 08:32 GMT
#29
On March 20 2014 15:49 forsooth wrote:
Rain turning it up to maximum crybabby


I thought Rain was a terran for a second there. Because we all know that only terrans are lazy and will not try new things but protoss will also work hard and figure things out...
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
March 20 2014 08:43 GMT
#30
On March 20 2014 17:32 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2014 15:49 forsooth wrote:
Rain turning it up to maximum crybabby


I thought Rain was a terran for a second there. Because we all know that only terrans are lazy and will not try new things but protoss will also work hard and figure things out...

Yes, because there's so much to experiment with if half your tech tree is useless.
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ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
March 20 2014 08:44 GMT
#31
BL/Infestor levels? Seriously? Just after a tournament that ended with PvP finals, already after the patch? I tbought Rain to be better than that. Grow a spine man.
Get off my lawn, young punks
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 20 2014 08:46 GMT
#32
Rain is just trying to be the new TaeJa guys. He's entering the wrong tournaments though. Needs to be targeting those $10k first places instead of GSLs if he's going to be like this.
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imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
March 20 2014 09:09 GMT
#33
On March 20 2014 17:46 Shellshock wrote:
Rain is just trying to be the new TaeJa guys. He's entering the wrong tournaments though. Needs to be targeting those $10k first places instead of GSLs if he's going to be like this.


He doesn't want to protoss to be nerfed. And it is working. Blizzard is not nerfing blink allin.
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
therabit
Profile Joined August 2011
795 Posts
March 20 2014 09:10 GMT
#34
lol rain, may be you should try blink all in build. I heard it's pretty good
klup
Profile Joined May 2013
France612 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 09:13:31
March 20 2014 09:11 GMT
#35
Actually he might be right.

I am one of the terran that rant about protoss early game a lot and I must admit rain might be right about mines being OP.

The problem of TvP was and is still early game shenanigans from protoss. buffed WM do nothing to counter this. Blink avoid mines, oracles was already oneshoted by mines.

What buff to WM does is just strengthen mid game of terran which is plainly wrong as Terran is already dominating this part of the game.

Now what might happen is that Protoss will allin every game from now on vs terran like we saw in PvZ with the infamous soul train vs Blord infestors at the end of wol. IN the near future it might be really hard for protoss to win macro games so allins might be the only option. Blink allin is very close to the soul train because even scouted it's really tough to defend.

The fact that DK don't want to adress directly early game problem has made the balance team compensate the ridiculous early game advantage from protoss to unjustified buffs to terran for mid and late game.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
March 20 2014 09:29 GMT
#36
On March 20 2014 18:11 klup wrote:
Actually he might be right.

I am one of the terran that rant about protoss early game a lot and I must admit rain might be right about mines being OP.

The problem of TvP was and is still early game shenanigans from protoss. buffed WM do nothing to counter this. Blink avoid mines, oracles was already oneshoted by mines.

What buff to WM does is just strengthen mid game of terran which is plainly wrong as Terran is already dominating this part of the game.

Now what might happen is that Protoss will allin every game from now on vs terran like we saw in PvZ with the infamous soul train vs Blord infestors at the end of wol. IN the near future it might be really hard for protoss to win macro games so allins might be the only option. Blink allin is very close to the soul train because even scouted it's really tough to defend.

The fact that DK don't want to adress directly early game problem has made the balance team compensate the ridiculous early game advantage from protoss to unjustified buffs to terran for mid and late game.


I think it really depends. I don't think blink all-in is undefendable. The problem is that you can also over defend very easily and then get contained which puts the terran way too behind to do anything in the mid game which means you are then facing double AoE from P.

The problem with blink all-in with MsC has always been that the protoss can SEE exactly how the terran is defending. Not enough defense and they just warp in stalkers and blink in. Too much defense (late medivacs) and they just do a soft contain and take their third (or quick storm or both) and they are way ahead.

By giving the terran a stronger thread mid game, it makes them be able to spend more on early defense without getting way behind.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
March 20 2014 09:37 GMT
#37
Wat is Rain saying
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Jmanthedragonguy
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada1202 Posts
March 20 2014 09:46 GMT
#38
lol at Rain interview. He sounds whiny like Taeja, but you have to respect that they are both so damn good haha
SC2ShoWTimE
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany722 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-20 09:51:02
March 20 2014 09:50 GMT
#39
feel like he is right about the blink all in. it's still very strong, but terran players are definitely getting better at defending it thanks to polt. at iem katowice he actually defended 3 out of 4 blink all ins with his reaper expand into 3 rax build and at iem cologne he did great against it as well. sadly it was kinda overlooked by most people due to the taeja/sos series afterwards.
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Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
March 20 2014 10:19 GMT
#40
On March 20 2014 18:50 SC2ShoWTimE wrote:
feel like he is right about the blink all in. it's still very strong, but terran players are definitely getting better at defending it thanks to polt. at iem katowice he actually defended 3 out of 4 blink all ins with his reaper expand into 3 rax build and at iem cologne he did great against it as well. sadly it was kinda overlooked by most people due to the taeja/sos series afterwards.


2 base blink had 80% success rate at IEM.

But he is right about one thing. When both players go into macro game and protoss doesn't use their aggressive builds, matchup looks much more even. Best example is Rain's PL game against Flash where it was like they had "a gentleman's agreement" not to cheese or all in each other.

But that is hardly an evidence that protoss is forced into early game aggression if they want to have the chance in a macro game. Nothing really changed in the unit compositions since WoL and protoss always had strong late game...
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