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On March 13 2014 13:00 hariooo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2014 12:45 StaraCroft wrote:On March 13 2014 12:38 hariooo wrote:
How big is the pro scene really going to be when LotV drops? SC2 isn't exactly growing. The people who are still playing right now who are happy enough to play it are going to play whatever LotV is. People who don't like it will just move on, as most people already have. I don't think that's as dramatic as people make it out to be. There will be a big boost when lotv comes out, then it will slowly die off and then we get WC4. I'm completely fine with that. Nothing can or should live forever. Let's be real there's no WC4 coming. No way Blizzard is going to pursue another title that doesn't use the Hearthstone or HeroesotS business model. And that makes me sad because it kind of kills the RTS genre. And another thing. BW might not have lived forever but Blizzard personally pushed it out. BW died not because it wasn't fun anymore or of any other "natural cause" (well match-fixing didn't help), but Blizzard pushed Kespa to support the new game. It's their right as a business but BW could definitely have lived a long time. Its current resurrection in Korea is evidence for that.
Man HeroesotS is a bad way to call that game... just call it Heroes, HEotS, or something else :/
And how do you know there's no WC4 coming?
They are a multi-team game development studio. They are working on Project Titan (if its in development), WoW expansions, Diablo 3, Hearthstone, Heroes of the Storm, and Legacy of the Void. Nothing says they will not eventually go back to the Warcraft RTS roots. When they go back to the development of another RTS, they have to go back in with another business model so that it stays with the current gaming trends. Blizzard has already bent SC2 as much as they can currently by making it "free-to-play" as much as possible without going against their business plan. Probably when WoW has run its course and makes way for whatever Project Titan is, probably by 2016 or 2017, and LotV is out, people will probably hear news about a WC4 possibly being developed.
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On March 13 2014 06:29 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Another disappointing interview showing David Kim doesn't understand the community or even the game.
There is a strawman Starcraft player like the average guy in the midwest American TV viewer that doesn't actually exist in any significant number to even consider, yet they base decisions around these mythological people.
Longest SH game recently was 37 mins, really?
Doesn't want to mess with core mechanics because big changes are worse than small ones without making any analytical points whatsoever to say why other than using a dreadfully irrelevant example. Claiming wholesale changes that almost everyone agrees are required are simply what mods are for. Man, just such a terribly disappointing interview that just sucked all remaining vestiges of hope for LoTV right out the window.
Thanks David.
Time for the community to carry the torch since Blizzard do not seem competent enough.
He's been GM with all three races on NA, which I'll wager is better than you, and requires a pretty extensive knowledge of the game. He's still very high masters/GM.
If he wasn't disallowed from competition (being on the balance team of the game) he'd probably be one of the best foreigners.
You should probably take a look into what you're talking about before you spout uninformed shit.
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On March 13 2014 13:08 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2014 12:53 Survivor61316 wrote:On March 13 2014 12:25 Plansix wrote:On March 13 2014 12:16 Survivor61316 wrote:On March 13 2014 11:14 Yorkie wrote:On March 13 2014 11:11 Wombat_NI wrote:On March 13 2014 11:06 Parcelleus wrote:
David Kim is correct, stop whining and get better (basically). However, given how many foreigners love to whine, I expect the whining to continue.
Thanks David, keep to your guns and listen to korean top pros. AKA some of THE whiniest players out there? It's not a balance issue for many in the community anyway, it's a fun/enjoyability, no amount of 'get better' fixes that Half the people are saying "Blizz is catering to the casuals and don't even care about competitive play" and the rest say the opposite. They just can't win. They try their best and they just get flamed, so they'd rather be conservative with their changes Really? Because I have never seen anyone say Blizzard is catering to the casuals... Clearly you don't remember when they put the worker counts above the town halls. Or when they changed up the command icons. Oh you mean that change that took place over a year ago..definitely has a lot of weight with balance discussion today  I think the fact that you had to go so far into the past to come up with an example only proves my point.. You mean slightly more than a year ago? That's really not that far.
Umm..yes it is. Especially in the video game world. And especially for a game that's only been out (including WoL beta) for just over 4 years.
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On March 13 2014 07:30 Beastyqt wrote:
Typical answers from him like from every interview since 2010.
Q: "X is op, are you going to do anything about it?"
A: "We are looking into and and we feel we need to see more games so we can actually say that is op." - after something being broken for more than 6 months.
Q: "Are you going to add normal battle net or daily tournaments that was done 10 years ago in WC3 and SC1?"
A: "I mean we are currently working on it as our priority for next expansion and should be up by 2017, because technology isn't there yet."
Q: "Swarm hosts are op can you fix them?"
A: "We talked to a lot of pros and decided to make completely useless change that doesn't even come close to fixing this problem, because we have no idea what we are doing anyway."
I don't understand how can someone be so clueless and stubborn after 4 years of SC2, every interview same "answers", no solution and no plans for future changes.
Considering protoss and terran manage to win games all the time with colossus voidray storm or raven tank deathballs, it's pretty obvious that zerg needs free units lategame to even keep up.
What that means is that to patch swarhmosts without screwing zerg in the lategame means patching colossi/voidrays, ravens, and tanks.
Guess what that screws up? Literally every matchup but zvz.
But no, the genii mid plat of TL know everything about balance and have flawless and revolutionary ideas like reducing the spawn rate of locusts that will totally change the entirety of sc2 mechanics and instantly spawn us back to the glorious good ol' brood war days, right guys?
Right.
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On March 13 2014 13:53 Parcelleus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2014 12:52 LastDance wrote:
So disappointed at these answers. it's like he isn't even trying to understand the community. Disagreed. The most vocal PART of the community are the people who think SC2 should be like BW. Not everyone in the community agrees, I dont. I think DK is aware of this, hence his consistent position (SC2 isnt trying or want to be BW).
Its funny, of all these people saying the fundamentals of SC2 are flawed, hardly any of them also say that the game should be more like BW. I don't have to want SC2 to be like BW to think that its fundamental mechanics could use some tweaking. I never played BW, never watched BW, and yet somehow I am able to comprehend there are some changes that need to be made to make this game better. And to your point that SC2 isn't trying or doesn't want to be BW, that's automatically a bit naive and wrong to a certain extent..if Blizzard wanted to make a game entirely separated from BW they should't have named it Starcraft at all. By continuing the series, whether they want it to or not, this game builds on the last, and will forever be connected to it. It doesn't have to be the exact same game, but lets not pretend that the two installments are completely independent of one another, because that is impossible.
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It's funny how predictable his behavior is. He literally says the exact same things every-time that affirms that he doesn't care about the players and isn't changing anything.
On March 13 2014 11:04 Waise wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2014 11:00 Headnoob wrote:On March 13 2014 10:58 Waise wrote:On March 13 2014 10:54 avilo wrote:
Swarmhosts are not necessary vs mech in the first place - the viper alone allows Zerg to fight against turtle meching Terrans. a terran who's not good enough to play in wcs explaining how he knows more about zerg than zergs who are good enough to play in wcs, buffered by a 1000-page theorycraft essay with repeated references to how you literally invented the concept of constructing a raven i would know this is avilo even without seeing the name I wasn't aware people weren't allowed to know things about other races than just the one they play. You've helped me see the light. yup, that was definitely my point, it couldn't have been that avilo is a blowhard troll with a history of raging on forums about things above his skill level
You happen to be a Zerg player, so in context of that comment you can't call bias from him because you're obviously responding defend your race from nerfs. Furthermore, if you're going to bring up skill level, Avilo happens to be above your skill level because he plays Z at GM.
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David Kim's final post is wrong on so many levels... >_> he doesn't even know what each of those issues is talking about.
Kudos to him/Blizzard for doing the AMA, I guess...
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On March 13 2014 14:33 DemigodcelpH wrote:It's funny how predictable his behavior is. He literally says the exact same things every-time that affirms that he doesn't care about the players and isn't changing anything. Show nested quote +On March 13 2014 11:04 Waise wrote:On March 13 2014 11:00 Headnoob wrote:On March 13 2014 10:58 Waise wrote:On March 13 2014 10:54 avilo wrote:
Swarmhosts are not necessary vs mech in the first place - the viper alone allows Zerg to fight against turtle meching Terrans. a terran who's not good enough to play in wcs explaining how he knows more about zerg than zergs who are good enough to play in wcs, buffered by a 1000-page theorycraft essay with repeated references to how you literally invented the concept of constructing a raven i would know this is avilo even without seeing the name I wasn't aware people weren't allowed to know things about other races than just the one they play. You've helped me see the light. yup, that was definitely my point, it couldn't have been that avilo is a blowhard troll with a history of raging on forums about things above his skill level You happen to be a Zerg player, so in context of that comment you can't call bias from him because you're obviously responding defend your race from nerfs. Furthermore, if you're going to bring up skill level, Avilo happens to be above your skill level because he plays Z at GM.
He also plays P at GM level
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It seems like every good community manager is running for political office.
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On March 13 2014 14:05 chairmobile wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2014 06:29 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Another disappointing interview showing David Kim doesn't understand the community or even the game.
There is a strawman Starcraft player like the average guy in the midwest American TV viewer that doesn't actually exist in any significant number to even consider, yet they base decisions around these mythological people.
Longest SH game recently was 37 mins, really?
Doesn't want to mess with core mechanics because big changes are worse than small ones without making any analytical points whatsoever to say why other than using a dreadfully irrelevant example. Claiming wholesale changes that almost everyone agrees are required are simply what mods are for. Man, just such a terribly disappointing interview that just sucked all remaining vestiges of hope for LoTV right out the window.
Thanks David.
Time for the community to carry the torch since Blizzard do not seem competent enough. He's been GM with all three races on NA, which I'll wager is better than you, and requires a pretty extensive knowledge of the game. He's still very high masters/GM. If he wasn't disallowed from competition (being on the balance team of the game) he'd probably be one of the best foreigners. You should probably take a look into what you're talking about before you spout uninformed shit.
I got 100 bucks here saying you are wrong , I doubt DK is higher than plat on na.
Other than his word , there is no evidence to support these claims......and his balance changes are certainly not something a GM would do.
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On March 13 2014 07:02 Survivor61316 wrote:
I wonder how difficult it would be to start a petition to get DK fired/demoted..? He is choking the life out of this game one step at a time due to sheer incompetence. Free units have a cost? 10+ Carriers a-moving isn't fun to watch, but 20+ SH chilling in the middle of the map not moving at all is? They will only put a change through if its "completely awesome" (gotta love corporate buzzwords)??
you obviously have no idea what youre talking about... it costs money to make swarm hosts. hence why locusts cost money. it is their attack. you dont get charged every time a marine or colossus fires an attack do you? the only contrast to this is the carrier. but the carrier is an air ship and the DPS is nuts. not to mention they arent on the ground really and fly super fast so fungaling them are super hard.
and if they change swarm host, colossi void ray now cannot be fought against. not to mention, protoss gets their third base so fast now with msc that toss's 160-200 army of colossi/gateway units will crush any type of composition zerg throws at em (if scouted correctly). the swarm hosts helps level that playing field.
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On March 13 2014 14:05 chairmobile wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2014 06:29 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Another disappointing interview showing David Kim doesn't understand the community or even the game.
There is a strawman Starcraft player like the average guy in the midwest American TV viewer that doesn't actually exist in any significant number to even consider, yet they base decisions around these mythological people.
Longest SH game recently was 37 mins, really?
Doesn't want to mess with core mechanics because big changes are worse than small ones without making any analytical points whatsoever to say why other than using a dreadfully irrelevant example. Claiming wholesale changes that almost everyone agrees are required are simply what mods are for. Man, just such a terribly disappointing interview that just sucked all remaining vestiges of hope for LoTV right out the window.
Thanks David.
Time for the community to carry the torch since Blizzard do not seem competent enough. He's been GM with all three races on NA, which I'll wager is better than you, and requires a pretty extensive knowledge of the game. He's still very high masters/GM. If he wasn't disallowed from competition (being on the balance team of the game) he'd probably be one of the best foreigners. You should probably take a look into what you're talking about before you spout uninformed shit.
Dude shut up. You have absolutely no proof for any of this crap. I sincerely doubt he is in GM at all, and would guess that he is only a mid-masters player at best, which is hardly an accomplishment (hell my roommate is mid-masters). The last information I can find anywhere regarding his league rank is from June 2011 when he was top 500. In fact, he hasn't even been ranked on his main account for at least the past two seasons..so why don't you get your facts straight first dipshit.
And you think someone who is only top masters would be one of the best foreigners?? Can I have some of what you're smoking please?
User was temp banned for this post.
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On March 13 2014 14:52 Tchado wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2014 14:05 chairmobile wrote:On March 13 2014 06:29 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Another disappointing interview showing David Kim doesn't understand the community or even the game.
There is a strawman Starcraft player like the average guy in the midwest American TV viewer that doesn't actually exist in any significant number to even consider, yet they base decisions around these mythological people.
Longest SH game recently was 37 mins, really?
Doesn't want to mess with core mechanics because big changes are worse than small ones without making any analytical points whatsoever to say why other than using a dreadfully irrelevant example. Claiming wholesale changes that almost everyone agrees are required are simply what mods are for. Man, just such a terribly disappointing interview that just sucked all remaining vestiges of hope for LoTV right out the window.
Thanks David.
Time for the community to carry the torch since Blizzard do not seem competent enough. He's been GM with all three races on NA, which I'll wager is better than you, and requires a pretty extensive knowledge of the game. He's still very high masters/GM. If he wasn't disallowed from competition (being on the balance team of the game) he'd probably be one of the best foreigners. You should probably take a look into what you're talking about before you spout uninformed shit. I got 100 bucks here saying you are wrong , I doubt DK is higher than plat on na. Other than his word , there is no evidence to support these claims......and his balance changes are certainly not something a GM would do.
i will definitely make that bet with you. you know he was a BW pro right? idiot. stop flaming a person just because he doesn't make every change that YOU want. he talks to alot of pros. now get off his back.
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On March 13 2014 14:05 chairmobile wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2014 06:29 _SpiRaL_ wrote:
Another disappointing interview showing David Kim doesn't understand the community or even the game.
There is a strawman Starcraft player like the average guy in the midwest American TV viewer that doesn't actually exist in any significant number to even consider, yet they base decisions around these mythological people.
Longest SH game recently was 37 mins, really?
Doesn't want to mess with core mechanics because big changes are worse than small ones without making any analytical points whatsoever to say why other than using a dreadfully irrelevant example. Claiming wholesale changes that almost everyone agrees are required are simply what mods are for. Man, just such a terribly disappointing interview that just sucked all remaining vestiges of hope for LoTV right out the window.
Thanks David.
Time for the community to carry the torch since Blizzard do not seem competent enough. He's been GM with all three races on NA, which I'll wager is better than you, and requires a pretty extensive knowledge of the game. He's still very high masters/GM. If he wasn't disallowed from competition (being on the balance team of the game) he'd probably be one of the best foreigners.
You should probably take a look into what you're talking about before you spout uninformed shit.
Hahahah fucking amazing
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David Kim says:
For the Carrier, we believe the issue is that Carriers are mostly just A move capital ships.
Hey David Kim, guess what? The community, especially protoss players have been asking for Carriers to be micro'ed since the beginning of Wings of Liberty.
If you know this issue, then why haven't you fixed it? it's been nearly 4 years.
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There is no words to express my dissatisfaction with DK
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On March 13 2014 15:23 CodeskyE wrote:Show nested quote +David Kim says:
For the Carrier, we believe the issue is that Carriers are mostly just A move capital ships.
Hey David Kim, guess what? The community, especially protoss players have been asking for Carriers to be micro'ed since the beginning of Wings of Liberty. If you know this issue, then why haven't you fixed it? it's been nearly 4 years.
I thougth he addressed that video? Or was it the video that explained stop-micro?
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On March 13 2014 15:39 tshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2014 15:23 CodeskyE wrote:David Kim says:
For the Carrier, we believe the issue is that Carriers are mostly just A move capital ships.
Hey David Kim, guess what? The community, especially protoss players have been asking for Carriers to be micro'ed since the beginning of Wings of Liberty. If you know this issue, then why haven't you fixed it? it's been nearly 4 years. I thougth he addressed that video? Or was it the video that explained stop-micro?
They implemented the leash range changes NoNy talked about, but I believe they were implemented poorly. However, they have said they are looking at different ideas for the Carrier for LOTV. Something decent might come out of the carrier yet.
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David Kim says:
For the Carrier, we believe the issue is that Carriers Tempests are mostly just A move capital ships.
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