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Melliflue
Profile Joined October 2012
United Kingdom1389 Posts
February 10 2014 20:46 GMT
#161
On February 11 2014 05:44 Tenks wrote:
Will nerfing vision to 9 really affect the blink all-in TvP? I mean as long as the Toss can see the high ground he can just blink up a Stalker then blink the whole bunch. The cooldown, however, would.

I think the idea is that reducing the vision range makes the mothership core more vulnerable. If it is poking in to get vision for a blink up then marines will have a better chance to shoot it. If the msc goes down the blink all-in is much weaker.
b0ub0u
Profile Joined September 2009
Canada445 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-10 20:47:08
February 10 2014 20:46 GMT
#162
Can someone explain to me the WM buff?

Why did he say we could now one shot probes? Wasn`t the central splash damage already 40? A probe has 40HP so it already died on the first hit no?

What am I missing here?

So this only affect the area where it does 40 splash damage?
In the swarm we trust
Zax19
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Czech Republic1136 Posts
February 10 2014 20:47 GMT
#163
Vision reduction would be great, blink cooldown doesn't seem too short, if anything I'd change the upgrade (cost or time). Widow mine buff might be nice, both for defence and and offence. I'd still make the mothership core slower or something to make it less viable as early scout/harass.
Really Blizz, really? - Darnell
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 10 2014 20:47 GMT
#164
Blink is like the only fun shit Protoss has. At least I will never be tempted again to switch to Protoss if that nerf ever goes through ;D
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
February 10 2014 20:47 GMT
#165
On February 11 2014 05:44 Melliflue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 05:36 IntoTheheart wrote:
On February 11 2014 05:35 Melliflue wrote:
On February 11 2014 05:33 Teoita wrote:
LOL i read now about proxy tempest being op according to the feedback they receive.

That one is pure fucking genius

I like David Kim's response though, asking for any evidence at all that it is even a viable strategy. I suspect DK isn't convinced about it. I wonder who was saying proxy tempest is OP...


Has anyone ever seen a proxy Tempest rush? This is a serious question.

I never have. Not in a competitive game anyway. I think I saw someone (Day9 maybe) do it while messing about. I doubt that counts

I'd rather proxy a Carrier for the flavour. But if I wanted to win, wouldn't something else (theoretically) be more reliable? :S

I mean the stupid Tempest doesn't even 1hko workers like a DT.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 10 2014 20:47 GMT
#166
On February 11 2014 05:43 ZenithM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 05:42 Plansix wrote:
On February 11 2014 05:37 Zealously wrote:
I'll be really sad if the Protoss nerfs go through unchanged.

I won't, Terrans will have nothing to whine about after this.

But we'll take your GSL trophies.

Pffffffffff, can MC still all in? Can rain still land storms? Can Dear still play like mother fucking Dear?

Nerf blink, it matters not. As long as the warp ins are still running, Protoss has the tolls for victory.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
February 10 2014 20:48 GMT
#167
On February 11 2014 05:47 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 05:43 ZenithM wrote:
On February 11 2014 05:42 Plansix wrote:
On February 11 2014 05:37 Zealously wrote:
I'll be really sad if the Protoss nerfs go through unchanged.

I won't, Terrans will have nothing to whine about after this.

But we'll take your GSL trophies.

Pffffffffff, can MC still all in? Can rain still land storms? Can Dear still play like mother fucking Dear?

Nerf blink, it matters not. As long as the warp ins are still running, Protoss has the tolls for victory.


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Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-10 20:51:51
February 10 2014 20:48 GMT
#168
On February 11 2014 05:46 b0ub0u wrote:
Can someone explain to me the WM buff?

Why did he say we could now one shot probes? Wasn`t the central splash damage already 40? A probe has 40HP so it already died on the first hit no?

What am I missing here?

So this only affect the area where it does 40 splash damage?

The splash damage got nerfed, it now does less than 40 damage outside a certain AOE (can't remember the exact value), thus making widow mines really inefficient against probes. But I think this change is moreso for widow mines becoming helpful units against the main protoss army.

Good patch imo. The blink all in nerfs are absolutely necessary and widow mines being actually useful against protoss is a very interesting concept. The hydra buff is a lot more reasonable too.
Grixx
Profile Joined March 2013
Belgium26 Posts
February 10 2014 20:48 GMT
#169
On February 11 2014 05:05 Lunareste wrote:
I like all of these changes, especially the Blink one.

As it is Stalkers are just too safe, 5 in-game seconds longer CD translates to 2-3 seconds real time.


You don't translate into real time seconds because everything ingame is counted in Blizzard seconds so 5 seconds is 5 seconds.
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
February 10 2014 20:48 GMT
#170
Damn you blizz for letting me hope again for a future of this game. I approve all of these tests!
aka Kalevi
DaveSprite
Profile Joined February 2013
United States79 Posts
February 10 2014 20:48 GMT
#171
On February 11 2014 05:44 Tenks wrote:
Will nerfing vision to 9 really affect the blink all-in TvP? I mean as long as the Toss can see the high ground he can just blink up a Stalker then blink the whole bunch. The cooldown, however, would.


9 is pretty freaking close. Units like Medivacs, Pheonixes and Mutas have 11 range so the MSC likely has to come within turret range to determine if it's safe to blink up. It could poke in a bit farther vs marines but the main issue with the MSC right now is that it can determine safe blink spots as opposed to simply giving vision.
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Lizarb
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark307 Posts
February 10 2014 20:49 GMT
#172
As a Terran I fear that tempest +30 damage against structures. If the protoss player is smart it will be quite a bit harder to get to the tempests and take them out.

A side fix to this could be to add something similar to the medivac boost to vikings. Which in turn could also help Terran catch the warp prism/oracle.
Only thing I know is that I know nothing.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
February 10 2014 20:49 GMT
#173
On February 11 2014 05:47 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 05:43 ZenithM wrote:
On February 11 2014 05:42 Plansix wrote:
On February 11 2014 05:37 Zealously wrote:
I'll be really sad if the Protoss nerfs go through unchanged.

I won't, Terrans will have nothing to whine about after this.

But we'll take your GSL trophies.

Pffffffffff, can MC still all in? Can rain still land storms? Can Dear still play like mother fucking Dear?

Nerf blink, it matters not. As long as the warp ins are still running, Protoss has the tolls for victory.

Buffed tanks and mines to defend against MC.
Buffed ghosts to defend against Rain.
And Bly to defend against Dear.
NovaMB
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany9534 Posts
February 10 2014 20:50 GMT
#174
On February 11 2014 05:46 NovaMB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 05:36 IntoTheheart wrote:
On February 11 2014 05:35 Melliflue wrote:
On February 11 2014 05:33 Teoita wrote:
LOL i read now about proxy tempest being op according to the feedback they receive.

That one is pure fucking genius

I like David Kim's response though, asking for any evidence at all that it is even a viable strategy. I suspect DK isn't convinced about it. I wonder who was saying proxy tempest is OP...


Has anyone ever seen a proxy Tempest rush? This is a serious question.


EES Semifinals mouz vs. MiA
Heromarine vs. Graywarden game 1.



Found the vod.
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
February 10 2014 20:51 GMT
#175
Yeah, look in to the WM as a harass tool and support bio, not that it's useless for actual mech play. Also nerf the SH already, it's making the game worse.

Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
Maasked
Profile Joined December 2011
United States567 Posts
February 10 2014 20:51 GMT
#176
On February 11 2014 05:41 Cyro wrote:
I can't believe that people are fine with 1.5x cooldown on blink

I believe its because most of the people who read these threads are the protoss haters who just want protoss to be nerfed to oblivion.

The same ones from WoL who hated protoss even though they were the weakest


Widow mine change is actually really good, it should stop oracle openers, no? you would have to open safe robo and it would limit cheeses.
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matthy
Profile Joined January 2013
66 Posts
February 10 2014 20:52 GMT
#177
On February 11 2014 05:51 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Yeah, look in to the WM as a harass tool and support bio, not that it's useless for actual mech play. Also nerf the SH already, it's making the game worse.



nerf? just remove or redesign its worse then the warhound!
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
February 10 2014 20:55 GMT
#178
Good Blizz!
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
February 10 2014 20:55 GMT
#179
On February 11 2014 05:50 NovaMB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2014 05:46 NovaMB wrote:
On February 11 2014 05:36 IntoTheheart wrote:
On February 11 2014 05:35 Melliflue wrote:
On February 11 2014 05:33 Teoita wrote:
LOL i read now about proxy tempest being op according to the feedback they receive.

That one is pure fucking genius

I like David Kim's response though, asking for any evidence at all that it is even a viable strategy. I suspect DK isn't convinced about it. I wonder who was saying proxy tempest is OP...


Has anyone ever seen a proxy Tempest rush? This is a serious question.


EES Semifinals mouz vs. MiA
Heromarine vs. Graywarden game 1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg8GNbogfCo

Found the vod.


I wish SPL playoff games would be that quick.
kiss kiss fall in love
baldgye
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1114 Posts
February 10 2014 20:55 GMT
#180
I just don't understand... for the longest time there were no balance patched at all... and now they are seemingly pushing as hard as they can to generally nurf Protoss while actual problems with the game go ignored... also wtf is a proxy tempest rush?!
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