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On January 24 2014 03:36 Kasaraki wrote:
They are adamant about ghost mech. I really want to see that in action. :p Sounds kinda cool, though I don't see how this change will make people play TvP mech, seems like they'd just use it in a bio composition.
It will look dope if they can get people to use it. Ghost backed up by hellbats and tanks could be amazing. Plus ghost do so much damage to light units.
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MASS HYDRA. Oh yeah ...
If this gets through it will be a good day for zergs. Let it happen, pretty please.
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On January 24 2014 03:33 sitromit wrote:
I thought it was universally accepted that Hydraliks are too expensive for what they are, and now they propose making them a bit cheaper, and everyone's up in arms?
Halving the gas cost is a monstrous buff. I would be much more in favor of something like 75/50. 100/25 is a marauder...with more DPS...that shoots air.
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classic dayvie
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Agree with everything except tempest and hydra change. Why not look into the reason of ZvP turtle style and try some SH changes, making them worse defensively and better offensively?
Hydra change would just brake the game. The entire metagame in ZvZ would change and the current roach builds would be more or less dead. ZvP would become ridiculously zerg favoured and that's even coming from a zerg who has 40% win rate in ZvP and rages about toss all the time.
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It seems that implementing changes proposed by community members would be a sign of weakness. 
There are so many decent ideas to improve balance and yet Blizzard seems to feel limited by them instead of inspired.
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On January 24 2014 03:34 DinoMight wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 03:33 sitromit wrote:
I thought it was universally accepted that Hydraliks are too expensive for what they are, and now they propose making them a bit cheaper, and everyone's up in arms? Make them require less minerals then. But 25 gas is wayyyy too little. You can basically support 14 hydras at a time off 2 bases. Which is game breaking in PvZ because every single Protoss will have to rush AOE.
It's not game breaking at all. No one ever meant minerals when they said "Hydralisks cost too much". They still need 300 gas worth of upgrades to do anything in the 1st place. Hydralisks are too expensive, 25 gas is a change that's long overdue. It should have been this way since WoL.
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Do they even watch Starcraft lol? Every balance post gets more absurd than the last. They probrably know better though............................... 
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On January 24 2014 03:40 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 03:34 DinoMight wrote:On January 24 2014 03:33 sitromit wrote:
I thought it was universally accepted that Hydraliks are too expensive for what they are, and now they propose making them a bit cheaper, and everyone's up in arms? Make them require less minerals then. But 25 gas is wayyyy too little. You can basically support 14 hydras at a time off 2 bases. Which is game breaking in PvZ because every single Protoss will have to rush AOE. It's not game breaking at all. No one ever meant minerals when they said "Hydralisks cost too much". They still need 300 gas worth of upgrades to do anything in the 1st place. Hydralisks are too expensive, 25 gas is a change that's long overdue. It should have been this way since WoL.
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They posted their statistics which showed that the game is actually balanced and make such huge changes, it realy makes no sense is this jsut a test of the add on function or what?
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On January 24 2014 03:38 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 03:36 Kasaraki wrote:
They are adamant about ghost mech. I really want to see that in action. :p Sounds kinda cool, though I don't see how this change will make people play TvP mech, seems like they'd just use it in a bio composition. It will look dope if they can get people to use it. Ghost backed up by hellbats and tanks could be amazing. Plus ghost do so much damage to light units.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Ghost
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Marine
3.5 less dps per supply than a stim marine, you still live in a cool world i see.
On January 24 2014 03:41 RWInvAder wrote:
They posted their statistics which showed that the game is actually balanced and make such huge changes, it realy makes no sense is this jsut a test of the add on function or what?
The players' skill wasn't factored out properly.
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On January 24 2014 03:40 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 03:34 DinoMight wrote:On January 24 2014 03:33 sitromit wrote:
I thought it was universally accepted that Hydraliks are too expensive for what they are, and now they propose making them a bit cheaper, and everyone's up in arms? Make them require less minerals then. But 25 gas is wayyyy too little. You can basically support 14 hydras at a time off 2 bases. Which is game breaking in PvZ because every single Protoss will have to rush AOE. It's not game breaking at all. No one ever meant minerals when they said "Hydralisks cost too much". They still need 300 gas worth of upgrades to do anything in the 1st place. Hydralisks are too expensive, 25 gas is a change that's long overdue. It should have been this way since WoL.
It's 100% game breaking in PvZ and it will never go through tbh. This will be worse than infestor buff, worse than queen buff, a gazillion times worse than oracle buff that's such a popular QQ these days.
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On January 24 2014 03:38 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2014 03:36 Kasaraki wrote:
They are adamant about ghost mech. I really want to see that in action. :p Sounds kinda cool, though I don't see how this change will make people play TvP mech, seems like they'd just use it in a bio composition. It will look dope if they can get people to use it. Ghost backed up by hellbats and tanks could be amazing. Plus ghost do so much damage to light units.
Yeah for sure, mech in TvP sounds like it could be really awesome.
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Rather than buffing Tempests against structures they should buff the carrier. The carrier is the one genuinly interesting unit that has never been looked into outside of the siege tank and all it'd take is a change to their AI to make carrier micro possible again and I think it'd make those stalemate ZvPs a lot more interesting.
I like the hydra buffs. I've always thought hydras and roaches should've been the other way around. Atleast hydras are more enjoyable to watch than roaches are. If anything hydras being better means something like storm is getting a stealth buff as more people'll add more hydras in which die to storm unlike roaches.
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I wonder if the Firecake vs Mana game had anything to do with the comments on super late game PvZ :p
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On January 24 2014 03:42 Melliflue wrote:
I wonder if the Firecake vs Mana game had anything to do with the comments on super late game PvZ :p
every Snute ZvP.
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Ghost buff is nice.
Overcharge should just be left alone - Terran should be able to compete with Protoss all game long NOT just have 2 stim rax timing rush NOOB like in WoL 2 b successful.
Hydra buff is ok but we will see.
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On January 24 2014 03:42 Qikz wrote:
Rather than buffing Tempests against structures they should buff the carrier. The carrier is the one genuinly interesting unit that has never been looked into outside of the siege tank and all it'd take is a change to their AI to make carrier micro possible again and I think it'd make those stalemate ZvPs a lot more interesting.
I like the hydra buffs. I've always thought hydras and roaches should've been the other way around. Atleast hydras are more enjoyable to watch than roaches are. If anything hydras being better means something like storm is getting a stealth buff as more people'll add more hydras in which die to storm unlike roaches.
That's like saying marines got buffed last patch because ppl make more oracles now lol
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The Hydra buff is insane, what the hell.
Hydra timing will just wreck ZvP. Hydra into Muta switch will result into atleast a third more Muta
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The Hydra change is just stupid, it breaks every match up. (I play zerg)
Don't know how I feel about the Tempest, could have potential to break other match ups. (Long range with good dmg and recall could lead to too easy base/tech sniping.)
The rest seems reasonable.
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