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Constructive criticism is welcome, but no mindless SC2/Developer bashing in this thread.
NKexquisite
Profile Joined January 2009
United States911 Posts
January 23 2014 18:30 GMT
#41
Ok, it's a start but I don't think any of these changes will really fix any issues that are currently present.

Time Warp costing 25 more energy won't have any impact on blink stalker all-ins, 25 energy is like 10-15 in game seconds, isn't it?

I wish they would come up with a different way to make ghosts usable at all... Ghosts are only made to counter protoss high-templar. Other than when Protoss makes high templar, they are basically useless. Nobody makes ghosts pro-actively because they have no useful abilities whatsoever... Either buff snipe or give the ghost an ability that can be used the other 85% of the time. If they are going to make it this specific "you only make this unit when Protoss makes this one unit", at least make it cheaper than 200/100. That is insanely expensive for the what little the Ghost does now... Yes, I know you can snipe infestors, but since they nerfed the infestor and didn't make it the end-all, be-all unit, you don't need Ghosts in TvZ anymore...
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ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
January 23 2014 18:31 GMT
#42
Also, I like the ghost buff, although I'll probably use it for better bio play and potential ghost rushes ;D
D4V3Z02
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany693 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-23 18:34:01
January 23 2014 18:31 GMT
#43
Finally a reason to make hydras! Zerg really needs a better way to apply aggression when swarm host + static defenses are weakend against protoss, thats also were I can see the overcharge change fitting in.
http://www.twitch.tv/d4v3z02 all your base are belong to overlord
Kompicek
Profile Joined May 2008
Czech Republic245 Posts
January 23 2014 18:31 GMT
#44
They really know nothing about the game. Another bunch of random changes.

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CHARFRIZARD
Profile Joined September 2013
4 Posts
January 23 2014 18:31 GMT
#45
I can't wait for zergs to start going for roach hydra even more in TvZ !
RaZorwire
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden718 Posts
January 23 2014 18:32 GMT
#46
Even as a Terran, I'm not too fond of the idea behind the Ghost-buff. I think TvP is more entertaining to both watch and play when the Protoss goes Templar befire Colossus, and integrating the EMP upgrade into the unit from the start would make that difficult. IMO it would be better to buff Vikings if you want to help mech. Maybe that would impact TvZ too much, though.

All the other proposed changes look really cool!

Better Tempests to deal with mass static defence, sounds good. Weaker MSC, sounds VERY good. Cheaper Hydras seems really drastic, but I'm glad they're at least trying it out, and I doubt it will go though in the final patch.

So yeah. Not sure what people in this thread are crying about. But I guess with the mood at TL.net being what it is right now, Blizzard could hand a million dollars in cash to each poster and they'd still be the scum of the earth in the eyes of some of you people.
nunun
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark181 Posts
January 23 2014 18:32 GMT
#47
Seems like Blizzard is trolling us again. Hopefully they won't go through with any of these "fixes".

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Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
January 23 2014 18:33 GMT
#48
If Samsung_Shine was in this Code S season and this Hydra change happens, he'd win the tournament by Hydra busting every Protoss... @_@
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-23 18:33:52
January 23 2014 18:33 GMT
#49
On January 24 2014 03:21 ffadicted wrote:
Photon Overcharge duration decreased from 60 to 50

Pointless tbh, still kills zerg and terran timings, only makes pvp more volatile. Why not photon overcharge damage nerf + bonus damage against shields? Nerf it only PvT/PvZ and keep PvP the same

Time Warp energy cost increased from 75 to 100

Uhhh... not sure where they're going with this. I guess it does help against blink stalkers, but not that much. I'd rather see a vision change honestly to make it riskier to lose the core

Ghosts build with the energy upgrade built in

Reasonable I guess, makes ghosts far cheaper to get. Terrans should be happy

Hydralisk cost decreased from 100/50 to 100/25

LOL this is complete NONSENSE. GLHF being forced to rush colossus every single game to not die to ridiculous hydra busts. GG any stargate based openings. Let's not do this. This is crazy

A Passive Tempest ability that allows them to deal 2-3 times more damage vs. Structures

Tempests attack far too slow for this to make much of a difference, and that still doesn't make the game any less boring or exciting.


I agree with most of your points.

I think they could decrease the range on Photon overcharge maybe? It really has changed PvP for the better so I don't want to see it nerfed just because enough people are whining.

I almost never use it vs. Zerg anyway.. it's mostly a Terran thing and Terrans have started to do more aggressive builds lately that just brute force through PO (more Marauders earlier, etc)

The Hydra buff is total nonsense. TOTAL nonsense. Protoss will basically have to rush AOE like they do vs. Terran. PvZ will become PvT, except P is actually behind in the lategame. By a lot.


Honestly to me this sounds like when they were going to buff DT speed to like 12x what it is and then just dropped it because it was dumb.
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
January 23 2014 18:33 GMT
#50
I thought it was universally accepted that Hydraliks are too expensive for what they are, and now they propose making them a bit cheaper, and everyone's up in arms?
Penguinator
Profile Joined December 2010
United States837 Posts
January 23 2014 18:34 GMT
#51
I like every change except for the Hydra buff.
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D4V3Z02
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany693 Posts
January 23 2014 18:34 GMT
#52
On January 24 2014 03:33 sitromit wrote:
I thought it was universally accepted that Hydraliks are too expensive for what they are, and now they propose making them a bit cheaper, and everyone's up in arms?


I don't understand it also, they are still very expensive due to their upgrades.
http://www.twitch.tv/d4v3z02 all your base are belong to overlord
DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
January 23 2014 18:34 GMT
#53
On January 24 2014 03:33 sitromit wrote:
I thought it was universally accepted that Hydraliks are too expensive for what they are, and now they propose making them a bit cheaper, and everyone's up in arms?


Make them require less minerals then. But 25 gas is wayyyy too little. You can basically support 14 hydras at a time off 2 bases. Which is game breaking in PvZ because every single Protoss will have to rush AOE.
"Wtf I come back and find myself in camp DinoMight all of a sudden, feels weird man." -Wombat_NI
Girondelle
Profile Joined December 2010
France969 Posts
January 23 2014 18:35 GMT
#54
You can now gogo mass hydra off of 3 gazes on 2 bases lolololololol

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AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
January 23 2014 18:35 GMT
#55
That hydra buff is completely insane. It would be interesting to see what it does, though (aside from making zerg favored ZvP).
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Byyk
Profile Joined December 2004
457 Posts
January 23 2014 18:36 GMT
#56
Blizzard, troll factory :-D

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Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
January 23 2014 18:36 GMT
#57
They are adamant about ghost mech. I really want to see that in action. :p Sounds kinda cool, though I don't see how this change will make people play TvP mech, seems like they'd just use it in a bio composition.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
January 23 2014 18:36 GMT
#58
On January 24 2014 03:33 sitromit wrote:
I thought it was universally accepted that Hydraliks are too expensive for what they are, and now they propose making them a bit cheaper, and everyone's up in arms?


While larva inject exists Hydras can't be too cheep, if they are it would break the game in all MUs, if they make them cheaper they also need to nerf them in some fashion.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 23 2014 18:37 GMT
#59
On January 24 2014 03:33 sitromit wrote:
I thought it was universally accepted that Hydraliks are too expensive for what they are, and now they propose making them a bit cheaper, and everyone's up in arms?

blizzard released possible balance changes, it's time for everyone to freak out. It's a time honored tradition in SC2.
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ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
January 23 2014 18:37 GMT
#60
On January 24 2014 03:30 NKexquisite wrote:
Ok, it's a start but I don't think any of these changes will really fix any issues that are currently present.

Time Warp costing 25 more energy won't have any impact on blink stalker all-ins, 25 energy is like 10-15 in game seconds, isn't it?


lol no, 25 energy is a huge deal in game time when talking about all-in timings. It's a huge change. Sadly, time warp was not what made BS all-in so good

On January 24 2014 03:30 NKexquisite wrote:
I wish they would come up with a different way to make ghosts usable at all... Ghosts are only made to counter protoss high-templar. Other than when Protoss makes high templar, they are basically useless


EMP is crazy good TvP regardless of high templars (which, btw, are made essentially every game now). This is a good buff to terran no matter how you slice it, even if it's not the be all end all of fixing TvP.
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