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Loccstana
United States833 Posts
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yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
Overall I like the proposed changes its just depends on how they play out. | ||
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figq
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
A Passive Tempest ability that allows them to deal 2-3 times more damage vs. Structures Tempests attack far too slow for this to make much of a difference, and that still doesn't make the game any less boring or exciting. To be fair, not everybody consider the turtle styles to be boring to watch/play. diversity is good :D. I have a feeling 25 gas hydras might be way too good. The more I think about it , 25 gas hydras would probably be incredibly broken...but oh so fun! Im welcoming the PvT changes, dont know if its enough but at least the suggestions show that theyre talking about implementing changes. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
You can still cast 2 Timewarp at once, nothing against blink allins, no nerf to P stargate. The Hydra buff is just a troll. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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Damngood
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BillGates
471 Posts
But my beef is bigger and with the overall game design that won't change until LotV and even then its questionable how many changes will Blizzard make? Like I really, really don't like the colossus and imortal shields. I think the Colossus should be removed from the game, possibly being replaced with the reaver and then removing imortal shields, but possibly making it cost less, so that Terran mech can actually be viable. The reason terran mech in not viable in TvP is because of Collosus and immortal, these two deal so efficiently and easily with mech. Remove the absurd roach from the game as well, its just a really WC3 type unit that has a ton of HP to basically soak up damage and zerg shouldn't be like that, they have many small and cheap units that try and overwhelm you or use in addition of certain abilities to turn the tide of the battle, not on massing and A-Moving roaches across the map. As far as terran goes remove the marauder and bring back the old battlecruiser that did 20 damage per shot, rather than the current one that shoots candy, its like it doesn't do any damage at all. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3710 Posts
However, the funniest part of this is that their fix for swarmhost/gglord static d turtle is to make tempest anti building? I love how they continue to do really wierd shit to make their game work rather than address the issues themselves. The best part about this is the fact that it's only a test map. | ||
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StutteR
United States1903 Posts
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goody153
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KatatoniK
United Kingdom978 Posts
Time Warp energy increase still doesn't fix Blink problems, vision reduction would. Yes Time Warp helps but that vision helps more. Hydralisk cost reduction? No just no, I hate PvZ as it is without cheaper hydras. I can't comment on ZvZ and ZvT but this will just murder PvZ. That Tempest change, even as a Toss I hate that. If SH are the problem why make Skytoss more disgusting than it already is for PvP and PvT. Just change the SH already. | ||
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BlueLanterna
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
Poll: Photon Overcharge duration decreased from 60 to 50 Doesn't go far enough (745) Good change (320) Goes too far (130) 1195 total votes Your vote: Photon Overcharge duration decreased from 60 to 50 (Vote): Goes too far Poll: Time Warp energy cost increased from 75 to 100 Good change (777) Doesn't go far enough (177) Goes too far (160) 1114 total votes Your vote: Time Warp energy cost increased from 75 to 100 (Vote): Goes too far Poll: Ghosts build with the energy upgrade built in Good change (753) Goes too far (280) Doesn't go far enough (67) 1100 total votes Your vote: Ghosts build with the energy upgrade built in (Vote): Goes too far Poll: Hydralisk cost decreased from 100/50 to 100/25 Goes too far (740) Good change (465) Doesn't go far enough (27) 1232 total votes Your vote: Hydralisk cost decreased from 100/50 to 100/25 (Vote): Goes too far | ||
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
Leave PO as is. I don't see the gain between 60 seconds and 50 seconds. Almost as if they are bowing to the pressure of doing something about the PO even if they realise a whole slew of PvP HOTS builds are reliant on it. Better to reduce the MSC vision range a little. Ghost buff. No, thank you. Please don't remove yet more upgrades from the game. Nerf P a little first. Then look again. Time Warp enery nerf. This is good. I think it will prevent a full energy MSC from putting out 3 TW one ofter the other. I've never liked the spell, and I'd also like to see it affect friendly units too. So that it is a true defensive spell. Hydra? I don't like this change nor the reasons for it. It smells like Blizzard once again wanting to dictate the meta. Fuck off. The Tempest change is huge. With a lot of unintended consequences possible for all match-ups. I think this should not go through. And I'd prefer Blizzard wait for a while (at least 3 months) before choosing to "fix" late game turtle Z. If the style does become the standard full on Z meta then let P players have a go at finding a solution. If we can't, a change to SH is better, I think, than buffing the Tempest like that. It sounds a cool change. But it is complicated and will be complicated. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On January 24 2014 03:41 ffadicted wrote: It's 100% game breaking in PvZ and it will never go through tbh. This will be worse than infestor buff, worse than queen buff, a gazillion times worse than oracle buff that's such a popular QQ these days. I think so too. It's quite absurd really. It's so absurd that I want to see it. :D | ||
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Skynx
Turkey7150 Posts
I still think this is not the way to go, nerf at damage and adding bonus damage vs. shileds seems the best option to me. Time Warp energy cost increased from 75 to 100 This won't help the situation, a nerf to % slow should be implemented such that running trough tw does not mean all your marines die, players with good decision making should be rewarded. Ghosts build with the energy upgrade built in Trying to make mech viable vs p is cute but I believe this will make scv pulls incredible hard to hold. Hydralisk cost decreased from 100/50 to 100/25 Making roaches and Hydras cost same gas is just insane, protoss players will be forced to tech into colossus to hold mass hydra all-ins from 3 base. A Passive Tempest ability that allows them to deal 2-3 times more damage vs. Structures (We’re not 100% set on the actual value yet.) This is madness. | ||
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404AlphaSquad
839 Posts
On January 24 2014 03:52 BlueLanterna wrote: I will absolutely not be playing HOTS anymore if these changes come out. Completely missing the direction of where things need to go, why they are making tempest even BETTER against terran is fucking retarded. Absolutely no meaningful terran buffs to help deal with TvP, still have to do M&M&M + ghost/viking as we have for 4 years, so boring. Like how the fuck are we even supposed to be using ghost mech when it's nearly impossible to even get to the point when you have enough resources to USE that army comp???? So tired of nearly every match I turn on in proleague being PvZ. I'm sticking with starbow Dont worry in LOTV we get other 2 units that wont help us to mech. We wont use it in our bio composition either. That will surely spice up tvp! User was warned for this post | ||
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Undead1993
Germany17651 Posts
and finally the tempest change doesn't change anything about lategame pvz. seriously. | ||
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
And this is coming from a protoss player. Sure it might suck for balance at first but that can be fixed; more importantly cheaper hydras should produce more interesting gameplay. | ||
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