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Swwww
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Switzerland812 Posts
January 12 2014 10:03 GMT
#61
I played 3 hours of this last night, most fun I have ever had in sc2. This is SO much better than regular sc2. Great work
"What is this TeamSupportGroup?" - mahnini.
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-12 10:12:41
January 12 2014 10:06 GMT
#62
Ok, I saw this thread and was REALLY skeptical. Looked like another rehash from people that wish sc2 was bw with better graphics.

Then I played it and couldn't stop. Really fun game. I don't necessarily think sc2 should have been this game- it's great as it is- but this is great too. The slow auto-spread built into the AI is pretty brilliant and really changes the dynamics of battles. Definitely helps get past the deathball style. Mutas are fun to control and I just realized how much I missed old style tvp mech. I think there are balance issues (first impression of psi storm is that it's extremely strong) but I'll be playing a lot of this. Great game.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
January 12 2014 10:09 GMT
#63
Jinro I'd love to cast a game or two of you playing this. Lemme know if you decide to pick it up
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
AxiomBlurr
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
786 Posts
January 12 2014 10:09 GMT
#64
Umm what does the sentinal do?
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
January 12 2014 10:10 GMT
#65
Out of interest, did you try experimenting with increasing armour for units on high ground instead of random miss?
GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
January 12 2014 10:13 GMT
#66
Nice mod, any plans on making it a Extension mod when 2.1 is out? Would love to play this more on different maps.
Too weird to live, too rare to die.
Kabel
Profile Joined September 2009
Sweden1746 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-12 10:14:41
January 12 2014 10:13 GMT
#67
Umm what does the sentinal do?


I am finishing the Starbow wiki atm, and that should be done today or tomorrow. In there more detailed information will be found
Creator of Starbow
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
January 12 2014 10:17 GMT
#68
On January 12 2014 19:10 iHirO wrote:
Out of interest, did you try experimenting with increasing armour for units on high ground instead of random miss?


That seems like it would screw over fast firing units really badly while leaving things like tanks almost untouched.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-12 10:19:05
January 12 2014 10:17 GMT
#69
I played yesterday, the first time, its quite fun, some things feels really weird, cannon range, hotkeys, unit movement and spreading. Also i think without DWeb on corsairs and no forcefields to help lock down an area, reaver + air is kinda gutted against zerg, will try that tactic more

I will keep playing it, hopefully can get in better shape
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
January 12 2014 10:25 GMT
#70
I've been following the early development of this mod long time ago, and to be honest i kind of gave up on it because even 1 year in they are still changing the fundamentals every week or so. I'm happy that they still managed to get a good mod out of it.
I just hope that now that their mod is getting traction that they won't continue this way, at one point you have to believe in your product otherwise you never ship a completed project, and that's the downfall of many ambitious mods.
Anyhow, makes me want to play sc2 again but i'm horribly rusty as I stopped playing sc2 a year and a half ago in favour of dota2. Also tons of respect to TB for what he does for this community!
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
January 12 2014 10:27 GMT
#71
Saw a PvT between Romson and Hider, looked very interesting and fun to me!
cpc
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia126 Posts
January 12 2014 10:33 GMT
#72
I've always been interested in this and its ideas though I've never actually tried playing with real people, only playing around slightly with AI.

What I seem to find is I sortof revert to broodwar style hotkeys so when I was playing a while ago (when there was no dragoon) I kept trying to build dragoons instead of stalkers. It seems I have to rebind some of the things that the classic hotkey set doesnt work for like the observatory. I just wonder if I am better of trying to use sc2 hotkeys for everything with the broodwar additions (observeratory stasis etc) as broodwar hotkeys instead of those supplied.

Anyway I think it does look interesting and it is probably well worth playing some more or for real rather instead of sc2 with a little bit of bw on the side as it seems i do atm.
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
January 12 2014 10:47 GMT
#73
It looks like a ton of fun.

Thank you TotalBiscuit for getting involved in this!
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5497 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-12 11:01:01
January 12 2014 10:55 GMT
#74
On January 12 2014 19:17 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2014 19:10 iHirO wrote:
Out of interest, did you try experimenting with increasing armour for units on high ground instead of random miss?


That seems like it would screw over fast firing units really badly while leaving things like tanks almost untouched.

How about a 50% base dmg reduction. Yes its practically the same as 50% miss chance, but I've had cases when playing BW when it literally seemed like a high ground tank was impervious against my goons just because I got unlucky. It was literally like well it takes 8 shoots to kill a tank with my goons... If I get it in 16 or less I trade well if I don't its going to be to late and I should have already pulled back.

I know that it statistically doesn't happen often, but I had cases when it literally took 6-8 extra shoots to kill a god damn tank. (And those fuckers are a lot scarier in BW). Obviously as the engagements get larger it being 50% miss or 50% dmg reduction makes absolutely no difference, but in certain early game situations (Talking from a BW viewpoint, but SB should work the same in this aspect), you don't actually know if your 2 dragoons will kill the tank or not.

Of course it's also possible that a degree of randomness was intentional.
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
Legatus
Profile Joined August 2010
65 Posts
January 12 2014 10:56 GMT
#75
On January 12 2014 13:30 decemberscalm wrote:
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On January 12 2014 13:27 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On January 12 2014 13:23 decemberscalm wrote:
@bo1b
I didn't take it as a super negative. Just explaining why there isn't anything new in place, I'm sure there are plenty that are quick to think we'd rather just copy BW instead of try something new.

That is indeed the goal!!!

We've had years of development to figure out what is anti fun and have patched accordingly. Right now we are looking at reapers vs lings for instance, that might get a slight adjustment. Same with queen enrage.

Hope to see you on b.net some time.

Why not just half the dmg if you attack from low ground? I think the 50% misschance is more exciting, but i think that would do the trick too (i guess?)

It breaks the armor system. Units that fire more often are punished more than units with slower punchier attacks.

Upgrades scale better on cliffs combat which is even odder.

I don't think I've ever played a game of SB so far and thought MAN I really got screwed by RNG there.

Every time you attack up a cliff you know the risk. Its a calculated risk at that point.

It would still be cool to have a nice non-rng solution of course.

Have you considered reducing the range of ranged units shooting up from the low ground? You could reduce it by 50 or 60% and keep it deterministic this way, without affecting the scaling of damage with upgrades.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9408 Posts
January 12 2014 11:12 GMT
#76
On January 12 2014 19:17 Darksoldierr wrote:
I played yesterday, the first time, its quite fun, some things feels really weird, cannon range, hotkeys, unit movement and spreading. Also i think without DWeb on corsairs and no forcefields to help lock down an area, reaver + air is kinda gutted against zerg, will try that tactic more

I will keep playing it, hopefully can get in better shape


Just looking for opinions here. Is there a general consensus that DWeb on Corsair is really good for the game?
FrozenProbe
Profile Joined March 2012
Italy276 Posts
January 12 2014 11:22 GMT
#77
Is there smart casting? I feel like it's pretty bad in every situation.. selecting one templar and storm feels more and more satisfying than press 3 (t+click)*x
Byyk
Profile Joined December 2004
457 Posts
January 12 2014 11:29 GMT
#78
This mod looks good. I hope it will become big, maybe that can have some impact on Blizzard. Go Starbow!
Ma Jae Yoon, sAviOr, the greatest player of all time.
Squat
Profile Joined September 2013
Sweden7978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-12 11:43:06
January 12 2014 11:38 GMT
#79
On January 12 2014 20:12 Hider wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2014 19:17 Darksoldierr wrote:
I played yesterday, the first time, its quite fun, some things feels really weird, cannon range, hotkeys, unit movement and spreading. Also i think without DWeb on corsairs and no forcefields to help lock down an area, reaver + air is kinda gutted against zerg, will try that tactic more

I will keep playing it, hopefully can get in better shape


Just looking for opinions here. Is there a general consensus that DWeb on Corsair is really good for the game?

I think so. It's a good way for protoss to deal with zerg mass static defense, without the abusive nature of force field. It also empowers reaver and DT drops, which are high risk/high reward maneuvers that take a lot of micro and APM, particularly in the case of reavers.

Been playing a few games myself, really liking it so far. I'm getting smashed, but it never feels unfair or plain un-fun, like is often the case in SC2.
Indeed. It would honestly be something of a disaster if Starbow eclipsed SC2 in popularity.

Out of curiosity TB, why would that be such a bad thing? Surely a fan made mod taking off and becoming popular is a good thing. Look what Dota did for WC3. If Blizzard are unable or unwilling to change certain things, and if the community can do it in a fun, interesting way instead, I can only see that as a good thing.
"Digital. They have digital. What is digital?" - Donald J Trump
Levistus
Profile Joined December 2009
1134 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-12 11:40:21
January 12 2014 11:40 GMT
#80
do reavers dud in starbow?
hey man just curious
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