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painkilla
United States695 Posts
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Kaos_StarCraft
Australia92 Posts
I must say though seeing another body of work from a group of hobbyist modders be superior to the full-timers at blizzard is pretty fucking sad. I stopped playing sc2 right before the end of WoL hoping HotS might do the unthinkable and become a great game. After a few months into HotS i saw nothing much different and decided not to purchase it. As a long-time wc3 fan I felt a little hurt the game died and what I deemed to be a lesser game, sc2, took over. So I guess I'll keep dreaming that either blizzard does something drastic and makes sc2 into something worthy of the expectations they've set in the marketplace, OR everybody gives them the finger and the community as a whole swaps to one of these mods. | ||
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Bswhunter
Australia954 Posts
How active is it on the US server? | ||
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sage_francis
France1823 Posts
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coolman123123
146 Posts
Somewhat off topic, this game clearly demonstrates the need for economy changes and unit/race design tweaks in SC2. Even if you think SC2 is better than BW/SB, you have to admit the pace of SB feels MUCH better. In SC2 I feel the game hits a certain point where you are making so much money on 3 bases (easy to defend) and there's no reason to expand beyond 3 bases, so deathballing is inevitable. In SB low econ skirmishes and harassment are much more common (and effective). I actually have the option to expand beyond 3 bases, and this creates so many more strategic options in the late game. SB is proof of the idea that SC2 NEEDS economy changes. | ||
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coolman123123
146 Posts
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Gaius Baltar
United States449 Posts
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oxxo
988 Posts
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mikumegurine
Canada3145 Posts
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Orek
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aZealot
New Zealand5447 Posts
No-one in SC2, and certainly neither SC2 or SB, benefits by that. | ||
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
Great mod btw, hope this becomes more popular. I definitely need to try some games sometime. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19300 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On January 12 2014 15:04 aZealot wrote: Hmmm, you might want to be careful with that. The SB team have been clear that they see the mod as a way to influence Blizzard in their design choices, not as a replacement to SC2. At the same time, some people who are angry and frustrated with Blizzard will see this as a way to put forth their own agenda. Other people should tone down their own expectations. No-one in SC2, and certainly neither SC2 or SB, benefits by that. Indeed. It would honestly be something of a disaster if Starbow eclipsed SC2 in popularity. My hopes are that Starbow as well as some different map design can show Blizzard that more radical changes and revamps of the way the game works for LOTV can absolutely spice things up and might even be needed. If people longterm find Starbow more exciting than SC2 then something has to change big time in the next expansion. | ||
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thezanursic
5497 Posts
On January 12 2014 13:23 decemberscalm wrote: @bo1b I didn't take it as a super negative. Just explaining why there isn't anything new in place, I'm sure there are plenty that are quick to think we'd rather just copy BW instead of try something new. That is indeed the goal!!! We've had years of development to figure out what is anti fun and have patched accordingly. Right now we are looking at reapers vs lings for instance, that might get a slight adjustment. Same with queen enrage. Hope to see you on b.net some time. Could you please impliment new models for the non-SC2 units... Some of them don't fit in.. There was a reddit thread a couple of months ago with really well made BW unit models. Also spells like dark swarm could also be made more visible. | ||
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plasmidghost
Belgium16168 Posts
I'm glad to see pros playing on it, looks a lot better overall | ||
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big_aug
United States14 Posts
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thezanursic
5497 Posts
On January 12 2014 15:47 TotalBiscuit wrote: Indeed. It would honestly be something of a disaster if Starbow eclipsed SC2 in popularity. My hopes are that Starbow as well as some different map design can show Blizzard that more radical changes and revamps of the way the game works for LOTV can absolutely spice things up and might even be needed. If people longterm find Starbow more exciting than SC2 then something has to change big time in the next expansion. I definitely think SB has a niche, though... It's probably not going to convert many current BW players (Coming from experience, closely involved with the BW community), so I'd focus my attention to the people who either played BW and switched and are unsatisfied with SC2 currently or the people who are interested in BW, but either don't play it because it's old or because it's significantly more mechanically demanding than SC2 or anything else that they've probqbly ever played. Also I'm pretty sure that if SB could be marketed properly it could bring in people who already quit. Ohh and the MOD currently seems extremely varried when it comes to model and spell quality, in short it's not as polished as HOTS which is understandable, but that should really be dealt with because it may potentially act as a deterrent, I might be putting to much emphasis into this one, but I've seen way to many players just not give BW a shoot just because it doesn't have modern graphics like SC2. | ||
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
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TotalBiscuit
United Kingdom5437 Posts
On January 12 2014 16:35 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: I have watched only one match Ryung vs Impact but that was way more boring than hots TvZ. Less fights, everything looked more slow, I didnt see that much great micro.... "Less fights" Not really. Also you managed to watch the absolute worst match between two people who had never played the mod, then judged the whole mod on that basis which sounds really dumb to me. Watch the first match of SC2 played, it's fucking awful. You cannot possibly expect matchs to be incredible when the players have no experience in the mod. Watch a PvT, then tell me there are less fights and it's more boring. | ||
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