EPTBuffing roaches more seems somewhat redudant. If anything, wait more before doing anything. It's still very unexplored.
Can't say much about mech changes, since they didn't mention any specifics.
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Ctesias
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Buffing roaches more seems somewhat redudant. If anything, wait more before doing anything. It's still very unexplored. Can't say much about mech changes, since they didn't mention any specifics. | ||
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dohgg
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PO: I think it's quite good nerf, but it's still quite strong anyway, sc2 is a very fast paced game, 40 sec is still a very long period! not that i think that it should be shorter, but i do think there should be a diffrent kind of nerf (like more mana requirement, or only one PO can be activated at once) Roach burrow: I seriously dont get, blizzard want to encourage some kind of gimmicky thing, so they buff it, w/o even considering.. maybe it's already quite good... the reason zerg don't use it as much, not because its weak... thats for sure. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16126 Posts
On January 03 2014 08:28 dohgg wrote: I really wanted to see david addressing the issue of how TvP goes these days, the zero variety hard to scout perspective of a terran, to the w/e variety easy to scout of the prottos. PO: I think it's quite good nerf, but it's still quite strong anyway, sc2 is a very fast paced game, 40 sec is still a very long period! not that i think that it should be shorter, but i do think there should be a diffrent kind of nerf (like more mana requirement, or only one PO can be activated at once) Roach burrow: I seriously dont get, blizzard want to encourage some kind of gimmicky thing, so they buff it, w/o even considering.. maybe it's already quite good... the reason zerg don't use it as much, not because its weak... thats for sure. Buffing Mech IS addressing variety concerns in TvP. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17750 Posts
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16126 Posts
On January 03 2014 08:30 Die4Ever wrote: EMP mech sounds good, but I'm not sure mech needs any buffs other than easier access to EMP I really want to see a legitimate tank buff tested. If it causes problems then revert it but I really think that especially with the metagame and map pool as they are the tank could afford a buff to make it more appealing both TvP and TvZ. Increasing Siege Tank damage to armored helps in a couple areas. 1. vs Collosus Tech. Having more powerful tank damage means that focus firing Collosus with tanks becomes a more valid way of handling them decreasing somewhat Terran reliance on Vikings. Vikings are still obviously going to be the preferred method but additional tank damage has the potential of opening up more Tank/Marine playstyles in TvP's midgame. 2. vs Ultralisk tech. 3. Early game defense vs Gateway and Roach All Ins. Siege Tank numbers in the early game are never as high as in the mid game for obvious reasons and increasing the threat of a single tank helps to hold all ins significantly which opens more viable build options for Terrans in TvP and TvZ. The big question is. Would it affect TvT too much? I'm not so sure. The damage vs Marines and Helbats would remain the same, the damage to Structures, Thors, Vikings, Marauders and Siege Tanks would increase. I think the benefit this offers to Bio players utilizing small numbers of Tanks defensively actually outweighs the benefit it would provide to an offensive minded Mech player. Obviously Mech's mobility would still be its greatest weakness to exploit as a Bio player, so charging and breaking a Tank line with ground units would still be difficult. | ||
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
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Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On January 03 2014 08:32 shid0x wrote: I demand a rematch of dayshi harstem with mech buff :p ! sOs vs Bomber rematch please | ||
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StrinterN
Denmark531 Posts
On January 03 2014 08:07 fried_rice wrote: Because it's stupid for half of the Terran tech tree to be useless? Mech is happening MORE AND MORE as it is.. Why not give it more time? | ||
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Snusmumriken
Sweden1717 Posts
"hey guys mech is weak, lets buff the ghost". Welcome to mechair, flight leaves in 30 minutes. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On January 03 2014 08:34 StrinterN wrote: Mech is happening MORE AND MORE as it is.. Why not give it more time? Not in TvP. | ||
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dohgg
310 Posts
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GumBa
United Kingdom31935 Posts
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pmp10
3401 Posts
On January 03 2014 08:34 StrinterN wrote: Mech is happening MORE AND MORE as it is.. Why not give it more time? Because it's losing outside of TvT and at this rate will soon disappear. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16126 Posts
On January 03 2014 08:36 dohgg wrote: so is this means avilo gonna take next wcs? Mario is a far superior Mech player IMO. | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
On January 03 2014 08:37 pmp10 wrote: Because it's losing outside of TvT and soon will disappear. because?? it looks quite solid in TvZ | ||
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Armada Vega
Canada120 Posts
On January 03 2014 08:14 Aocowns wrote: I get that and all, but honestly, do you even want mech to work? I mean, seeing avilo with a good winratio must be painful to even the most soulless terrans? most effective mech styles all basically involve possibly making every other game Goswser vs Lucifron, no? EDIT: okay no more passive aggressive pissed off shitting about, but mech is just a really unentertaining way to play, play against, and watch, and from my perspective I'd rather watch games from the broodlord infestor era well thats kind of the point to buffing mech. Like BW mech vs Protoss was very entertaining, and Vultures allowed terran to stay busy even if their main army couldn't move out right away. Goliaths were the same supply as tanks and didn't need add ons to be made from a factory, only an armory to be built. Goliaths were weaker but much faster and more mobile, with much higher dps(almost the same as a turret), and because more could be built for the price of a thor, more ground/air could be covered. The idea is, because sc2 mech is very weak against Protoss and not all that great until maxed in TvT, that there is a lot of turtling when going mech. If mech was buffed or made more viable, Mech users would move out more and trade armies more often, creating more interesting games. Of course this is the idea on paper, what those effective changes would be? nobody really knows because most of us look at it terms of what should be redesigned(fed up of the sc2 units that do exist, and what could happen in an expansion or new game), and not necessarily improving what already exists. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16126 Posts
On January 03 2014 08:34 StrinterN wrote: Mech is happening MORE AND MORE as it is.. Why not give it more time? It's happening because more and more Terrans are attempting to use it after being frustrated with a lack of success playing Bio, the problem is that Mech isn't winning anything especially in the TvP match up. You'd think if we see it more we'd actually see it win once in a while now but we still aren't. Terrans are utilizing it at the higher levels out of desperation more than anything else. That's a bad place for a playstyle to be. | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
The next step for Terran mech We believe we can push mech usage more as well. Some options we’re looking at here are: higher armored damage for siege tanks, easier access to EMP when going mech (such as building the energy upgrade into the unit), buffing mech air, and so on. However, this is the area in which we’re the least certain. Detailed feedback based on good reasoning is greatly appreciated. I made a TL forum post on why the game currently sucks and it was a response to SKMC (It got locked though for understandable reasons.) I will just give a short reiteration of my points on Terran Mech and some original ones not in that thread:
Do I agree with these changes? Yes. I sincerely hope we see more Terran mech buffs in the future especially buffing Tank damage vs Armored. I think 60 vs Armored or 70 vs Armored would be a reasonable tradeoff. Maybe then I may consider finally playing Terran again. | ||
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