EPTAnd they are still clue-less when it comes to mech.
They failed to deliver against zerg and now think just EMP will solve the problem of immortal.
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pmp10
3399 Posts
And they are still clue-less when it comes to mech. They failed to deliver against zerg and now think just EMP will solve the problem of immortal. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3703 Posts
On January 03 2014 08:08 NovaMB wrote: Thats a quote from a postgame interview in Proleague, and it scares the shit out of me. Your quotation is more of a "i am so good I win anyways" to boost the player's image and make him look more confident than anything else. If you scout it literally the second blink starts you can easily go tanks and place all the bunkers you need in time. | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
I don't think it will help so much in the other matchups, to be honest. 40 seconds into a Photon Overcharge the Nexus is dead or the things attacking it are dead/have left. And the only time I use it against Zerg is when they do a 2 base ling allin against a gateway expand or something really cheesy like that which almost never happens. Also I don't think tanks need to do more damage. I think perhaps easier access to EMP? Or just ways of defending against Zealot harass / Blink early on. But late game Mech is pretty strong and doesn't need a buff. It will throw off TvT and TvZ a lot I think. | ||
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ImperialFist
790 Posts
giving tanks + damage vs armored would be retarded | ||
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Pontius Pirate
United States1557 Posts
On January 03 2014 08:12 DinoMight wrote: 1 minute nexus overcharge is CRUCIAL in defending a lot of PvP cheese. I have a DT build that I do as a response to 4 gate, for example. DTs come out right as the overcharge ends. If that ovecharge were to be say 20 seconds shorter, he'd unpower all my gateways before the Dark Shrine could finish. What if Photon Overcharge did 20+10 armored, so that stalkers could be focus-fired more effectively? Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't early-game Protoss attacks more dependent on Stalkers than Terran is dependent on Marauders and Zerg is dependent on Roaches? | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On January 03 2014 08:07 fried_rice wrote: Because it's stupid for half of the Terran tech tree to be useless? I get that and all, but honestly, do you even want mech to work? I mean, seeing avilo with a good winratio must be painful to even the most soulless terrans? most effective mech styles all basically involve possibly making every other game Goswser vs Lucifron, no? EDIT: okay no more passive aggressive pissed off shitting about, but mech is just a really unentertaining way to play, play against, and watch, and from my perspective I'd rather watch games from the broodlord infestor era | ||
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Phaenoman
568 Posts
On January 03 2014 07:51 Ctone23 wrote: I think he was meaning higher armored damage vs immortals. Strelok (I think) proposed a cool idea for siege tanks to keep the same damage but to split the DPS into two separate shots, so that the immortal shield would take less tank shots to break. Just guessing though. I am pretty sure it was Goody. There is nothing indicating that DK meant immortals. He says "armored". | ||
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_fool
Netherlands683 Posts
On January 03 2014 08:14 Pontius Pirate wrote: I don't think it was Strelok who mentioned Siege Tank shots being split in two. I think it was Goody or Happy. Maybe if it did two shots of 17+17 armored, so that it still took an upgrade to 1-shot Zerglings, but also did 20 damage against Immortals, that could be ideal. It would also be greatly improved if the two shots were spaced apart either .4687 cells, or 0.2343 cells, so that they made something of a filled-in infinity symbol shape. It would definitely improve their use against Roach-Hydra and against Stalker balls. Even in defensive, non-committal applications, a couple Siege Tanks would absolutely neuter Stalker all-ins, unless they were microed absolutely amazingly. It was Goody, see http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=437245 | ||
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coL.hendralisk
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
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pmp10
3399 Posts
On January 03 2014 08:14 Aocowns wrote: I get that and all, but honestly, do you even want mech to work? I mean, seeing avilo with a good winratio must be painful to even the most soulless terrans? most effective mech styles all basically involve possibly making every other game Goswser vs Lucifron, no? Not really. The mech Blizzard should be concerned with is the timing-attack mech style. The grind-it-out-for-an-hour style works when zergs run out of patience and I doubt many people want to see it standard. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On January 03 2014 07:51 mewo wrote: Won't the msc thing just screw up pvp? Were terrans really worried about chain photon overcharges? Well, 1 photon overcharge basically shuts down most early timings, which allows the Protoss to get away with a lot in the early-mid game. If you have a push and you have to wait for overcharge to expire, it effectively delays your push by 1 minute, which is usually enough to kill most pushes. | ||
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ImperialFist
790 Posts
On January 03 2014 08:14 Aocowns wrote: I get that and all, but honestly, do you even want mech to work? I mean, seeing avilo with a good winratio must be painful to even the most soulless terrans? most effective mech styles all basically involve possibly making every other game Goswser vs Lucifron, no? You do understand that Avilo does not beat good players, the times I've seen him try his mech vs koreans he gets absolutely demolished. ok but Avilo aside, mech in TvT is already strong enough. | ||
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Val_
Ukraine156 Posts
Ghost with 75 energy: ok, but it will not solve mech TvP problems Tank armored attacks buff: LOL! it will not help in TvP, look - zeals (light), immortals (shields), air switch vs who it will help ? stalkers are waste in late, colossi also maybe vs 2 base blink allins it will help a bit Air buff: T_T ok maybe but it can ruin tvt / tvz | ||
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TyrionSC2
United States411 Posts
Jokes aside nexus cannon is a step in the right direction (to make mutas even better) | ||
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
PO nerf sounds like a winner to me. I guess hoping Blizzard would admit they fucked up and revert the oracle was too much to ask for though :/ They still seem a bit lost in the mech category though ;; | ||
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sparklyresidue
United States5524 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On January 03 2014 08:11 pmp10 wrote: Would much rather see them tackle time-warp than PO. And they are still clue-less when it comes to mech. They failed to deliver against zerg and now think just EMP will solve the problem of immortal. EMP also helps against Templars and Archons, which really destroy Terran mech air. Immortals for the ground, high templars and archons for the air | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On January 03 2014 08:14 Aocowns wrote: I get that and all, but honestly, do you even want mech to work? I mean, seeing avilo with a good winratio must be painful to even the most soulless terrans? most effective mech styles all basically involve possibly making every other game Goswser vs Lucifron, no? EDIT: okay no more passive aggressive pissed off shitting about, but mech is just a really unentertaining way to play, play against, and watch, and from my perspective I'd rather watch games from the broodlord infestor era Shortly, yes. And It was the same in BW. Terran mech has basically the same boring gameplay as turtling protoss deathball. It was working in BW because the opponents could punish turtling players by expanding more, which doesn't work in SC2 because of the economy cap at 3 mining bases. So yeah, the day mech becomes standard will be the worst day of SC2 yet (even worse then queen patch). | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On January 03 2014 08:17 pmp10 wrote: Not really. The mech Blizzard should be concerned with is the timing-attack mech style. The grind-it-out-for-an-hour style works when zergs run out of patience and I doubt many people want to see it standard. how would you make a timing-attack style viable as an actualy playstyle without making turtle style mech more prominent though? | ||
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