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Still, Jim put up a good fight against Soulkey. And Parting? Well, it seems only Sora can give him a run for his money.
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Looking forward to seeing sora play in proleague and wcs next year
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Wow why didn't I watch this T_T. I hope you can get the replays! Or at least the VODs...I want to steal some Soulkey knowledge.
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Soulkey is probably Zerg player of the year. Sorry Jaedong, but you can of course rest easy on your 5 starleagues.
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Bah I'm so eager to watch the VODs and they are not up yet. Come on! I know it finished like 30 minutes ago but still. Can't they have these things on auto file?
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TY, why is it so fucking hard to get there though? I can't get onto the website at all T_T.
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Jim :-(
So close to a medal
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and they usually release replays if i am not wrong , but probably will be awhile till that happen
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oh damn thats a lot of price money.
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Korean taking top 3 followed by Chinese and Taiwanese. Sounds about right for a WCG.
Nice performance by Jim.
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no surprise here..Congrats to Zerg Prince!
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United States23455 Posts
Nuuuuuu Sora it was your time!!
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
Good Soulkey, good. I bet Inno must be kind of angry now that he missed on such a good opportunity to win 30k bux.
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On December 01 2013 18:32 Dodgin wrote:
One minute to midnight
And then elfi wins ASUS ROG. According to the plan.
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Just the person I wanted to win it. That's some juicy price money, too.
So from the three major tournaments this weeked - Dreamhack, IEM and WCG - we have had three champions + Show Spoiler +, which is really cool to see.
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Yay for Soulkey! Jim was so close :-(
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Wow, Jim fought well. Congrats to Soulkey though
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On December 01 2013 22:34 Boucot wrote:And then elfi wins ASUS ROG. According to the plan.
elfi works in mysterious ways
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This came out of the blue. Like, I didn't even know this was going on. Was there coverage on TL that I overlooked or something? But very happy for SoulKey though.
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United States97277 Posts
Does this mean he's the best player in the world?
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Canada16217 Posts
On December 01 2013 23:27 Shellshock wrote:
Does this mean he's the best player in the world?
if you want it to mean that, sure.
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As a soulkey fan from back in BW this is really cool to see. Definitely a very hardworking, deserving player.
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Congratulations Soulkey, so this weekend we had had one T (Taeja, Dreamhack), one P (herO, IEM Singapore) and one Z (Soulkey, WCG) win Premiere tournaments, awesome!
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nice win, but would anyone consider this a meaningful win? (given the competition)
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On December 02 2013 00:17 zev318 wrote:
nice win, but would anyone consider this a meaningful win? (given the competition)
Well, he did *almost* qualify for it in KR qualifier, so it has some meaning in itself :D
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On December 01 2013 23:27 Shellshock wrote:
Does this mean he's the best player in the world?
But but but... Hurricane!
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Glad I didn't have any bets placed on this one. congrats to Sora, SoulKey and PartinG in no particular order. At least I got the sweep right.
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On December 02 2013 00:17 zev318 wrote:
nice win, but would anyone consider this a meaningful win? (given the competition)
You know I could say the same thing for many other tournaments and special events. :V Whatever and I really hope Blizzard starts listening to some of my ideas soon and given my past history in Brood War? I have knack for building contenders. At the very least the foreigners can become more competitive given the outline. Whatever they decide to do with it is another thing.
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aw sad Parting didn't win it. but Soulkey is a good second!
also great performance by the chinese and taiwanese players. really represent!
can't wait to see more or Sora also!
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Poland3772 Posts
On December 01 2013 18:44 shadymmj wrote:
Soulkey is probably Zerg player of the year. Sorry Jaedong, but you can of course rest easy on your 5 starleagues.
Well it may be Life. While he wasn't too succesful in WCS, he still won Iron Squid in January, MLG Winter Championship in March and IEM New York in October - plus second place behind TaeJa at DH:W and semifinal in Bucharest (also lost to TaeJa).
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On December 02 2013 01:06 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 18:44 shadymmj wrote:
Soulkey is probably Zerg player of the year. Sorry Jaedong, but you can of course rest easy on your 5 starleagues. Well it may be Life. While he wasn't too succesful in WCS, he still won Iron Squid in January, MLG Winter Championship in March and IEM New York in October - plus second place behind TaeJa at DH:W and semifinal in Bucharest (also lost to TaeJa).
He was completely unsuccesful in WCS.
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On December 02 2013 01:09 Evenshade wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 01:06 nimdil wrote:On December 01 2013 18:44 shadymmj wrote:
Soulkey is probably Zerg player of the year. Sorry Jaedong, but you can of course rest easy on your 5 starleagues. Well it may be Life. While he wasn't too succesful in WCS, he still won Iron Squid in January, MLG Winter Championship in March and IEM New York in October - plus second place behind TaeJa at DH:W and semifinal in Bucharest (also lost to TaeJa). He was completely unsuccesful in WCS.
Yeah I feel like if you want to be considered "the best" for a time period, you have to have at least 1 championship in a league (GLS/WCS Korea) along with a few weekend championships.
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The entire roster of WJS is doing so good
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On December 02 2013 00:50 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 00:17 zev318 wrote:
nice win, but would anyone consider this a meaningful win? (given the competition) You know I could say the same thing for many other tournaments and special events. :V Whatever and I really hope Blizzard starts listening to some of my ideas soon and given my past history in Brood War? I have knack for building contenders. At the very least the foreigners can become more competitive given the outline. Whatever they decide to do with it is another thing.
TL has it listed as a premier tournament, but looking at that list of premier tournaments this year, it is clearly not even close to being on the same level.
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I feel if mcsed had beaten jim he'd have stood a better chance against soulkey.
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On December 02 2013 01:50 Thrill wrote:
I feel if mcsed had beaten jim he'd have stood a better chance against soulkey.
Doubt it tbh. In fact, Jim came closest to beating Soulkey in a series between ALL foreigners.
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On December 02 2013 01:09 Evenshade wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 01:06 nimdil wrote:On December 01 2013 18:44 shadymmj wrote:
Soulkey is probably Zerg player of the year. Sorry Jaedong, but you can of course rest easy on your 5 starleagues. Well it may be Life. While he wasn't too succesful in WCS, he still won Iron Squid in January, MLG Winter Championship in March and IEM New York in October - plus second place behind TaeJa at DH:W and semifinal in Bucharest (also lost to TaeJa). He was completely unsuccesful in WCS.
This is incorrect
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On December 02 2013 01:55 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 01:09 Evenshade wrote:On December 02 2013 01:06 nimdil wrote:On December 01 2013 18:44 shadymmj wrote:
Soulkey is probably Zerg player of the year. Sorry Jaedong, but you can of course rest easy on your 5 starleagues. Well it may be Life. While he wasn't too succesful in WCS, he still won Iron Squid in January, MLG Winter Championship in March and IEM New York in October - plus second place behind TaeJa at DH:W and semifinal in Bucharest (also lost to TaeJa). He was completely unsuccesful in WCS. This is incorrect
Yeah. a ro16, ro32 and qualifying for Premier are pretty good results for someone like Life.
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On December 02 2013 02:05 Talionis wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 01:55 Zealously wrote:On December 02 2013 01:09 Evenshade wrote:On December 02 2013 01:06 nimdil wrote:On December 01 2013 18:44 shadymmj wrote:
Soulkey is probably Zerg player of the year. Sorry Jaedong, but you can of course rest easy on your 5 starleagues. Well it may be Life. While he wasn't too succesful in WCS, he still won Iron Squid in January, MLG Winter Championship in March and IEM New York in October - plus second place behind TaeJa at DH:W and semifinal in Bucharest (also lost to TaeJa). He was completely unsuccesful in WCS. This is incorrect Yeah. a ro16, ro32 and qualifying for Premier are pretty good results for someone like Life.
lol Sad thing is guys like Leenock fall into a similar category when it comes to the WCS in Korea. Soulkey did waaay better than the other guys.
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On December 02 2013 01:34 zev318 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 00:50 StarStruck wrote:On December 02 2013 00:17 zev318 wrote:
nice win, but would anyone consider this a meaningful win? (given the competition) You know I could say the same thing for many other tournaments and special events. :V Whatever and I really hope Blizzard starts listening to some of my ideas soon and given my past history in Brood War? I have knack for building contenders. At the very least the foreigners can become more competitive given the outline. Whatever they decide to do with it is another thing. TL has it listed as a premier tournament, but looking at that list of premier tournaments this year, it is clearly not even close to being on the same level.
Just because someone lists something as a premier tournament doesn't make it so. It's completely subjective. If i dared to look up Red Bull I bet your ass someone would list it under premier when it couldn't be further from the truth. When in my opinion, they're special events and we have plenty of those. There was a time when WCG would be considered a premier event back in BW, but it most certainly isn't now and hasn't been for some time.
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On December 02 2013 02:10 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 01:34 zev318 wrote:On December 02 2013 00:50 StarStruck wrote:On December 02 2013 00:17 zev318 wrote:
nice win, but would anyone consider this a meaningful win? (given the competition) You know I could say the same thing for many other tournaments and special events. :V Whatever and I really hope Blizzard starts listening to some of my ideas soon and given my past history in Brood War? I have knack for building contenders. At the very least the foreigners can become more competitive given the outline. Whatever they decide to do with it is another thing. TL has it listed as a premier tournament, but looking at that list of premier tournaments this year, it is clearly not even close to being on the same level. Just because someone lists something as a premier tournament doesn't make it so. It's completely subjective. If i dared to look up Red Bull I bet your ass someone would list it under premier. When in my opinion, they're special events and we have plenty of those. [/i][/i]
Would WCG KR have been more difficult than WCG? 
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Taeja for the terran of the year please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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well 3 major tourneys at the very end of 2013 and we have different 3 races winning it! i gues thats balance
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On December 02 2013 02:12 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 02:10 StarStruck wrote:On December 02 2013 01:34 zev318 wrote:On December 02 2013 00:50 StarStruck wrote:On December 02 2013 00:17 zev318 wrote:
nice win, but would anyone consider this a meaningful win? (given the competition) You know I could say the same thing for many other tournaments and special events. :V Whatever and I really hope Blizzard starts listening to some of my ideas soon and given my past history in Brood War? I have knack for building contenders. At the very least the foreigners can become more competitive given the outline. Whatever they decide to do with it is another thing. TL has it listed as a premier tournament, but looking at that list of premier tournaments this year, it is clearly not even close to being on the same level. Just because someone lists something as a premier tournament doesn't make it so. It's completely subjective. If i dared to look up Red Bull I bet your ass someone would list it under premier. When in my opinion, they're special events and we have plenty of those. Would WCG KR have been more difficult than WCG? [/i][/i]
Certainly it would have! The only difference between that tournament and WCG finals was that players like Albion, Demigod, and Zerth were replaced by players like Innovation, Rain, and Curious.
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One minute to midnight with scarlett in the same group as luci elfi and jjakji, AND JD Life INno in the waits, this does not bode well
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On December 02 2013 04:28 Cricketer12 wrote:
One minute to midnight with scarlett in the same group as luci elfi and jjakji, AND JD Life INno in the waits, this does not bode well
I can see Scarlett getting first in her group, she can beat all three of those players pretty easy in my opinion (Bomber > jjakji), and if she does get first, she would have to face probably Stardust (who I think she can beat, even though her ZvP is not great), and then face a tough opponent. I don't really see her not getting top 4 here, given these circumstances and no edits done to bracket layout.
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Nice by soulkey. Didn't watch the games but heard that he was losing 2-1 to Jim at one point but to see him come back and win whole thing is nice. Sora also beating Parting 3-1, someone who I believe called him easy was great to see especially after Parting said Sora was easy or something in his last interview!
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JIM
did better than Parting AND Sora vs Soulkey
Parting and Sora both each went 1 - 3 vs Soulkey
JIM took 2 games from Soulkey, 2 - 3
Does this mean JIM gots better PvZ than Parting AND Sora????
Whoaaaaaaaaaaaa
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Jim could have won against Soulkey if only those three games were 3 straight up 3 base timing attacks. He won 2 games not by 2 base all in.He won securing 3-4 bases and with superb unit composition.Im really disgusted at how he threw last 2 games with 2base allins when he knew it doesnt work against Soulkey's caliber.
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On December 02 2013 01:06 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 18:44 shadymmj wrote:
Soulkey is probably Zerg player of the year. Sorry Jaedong, but you can of course rest easy on your 5 starleagues. Well it may be Life. While he wasn't too succesful in WCS, he still won Iron Squid in January, MLG Winter Championship in March and IEM New York in October - plus second place behind TaeJa at DH:W and semifinal in Bucharest (also lost to TaeJa).
That's really a joke. Life never win any wcs events and never win Soulkey.
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oh wow i almost forgot there's that great international ESport tournament from the past: WCG, haven't seen it in 3 years =( but does anyone know if its still as exciting as it used to be?
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On December 02 2013 01:55 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 01:09 Evenshade wrote:On December 02 2013 01:06 nimdil wrote:On December 01 2013 18:44 shadymmj wrote:
Soulkey is probably Zerg player of the year. Sorry Jaedong, but you can of course rest easy on your 5 starleagues. Well it may be Life. While he wasn't too succesful in WCS, he still won Iron Squid in January, MLG Winter Championship in March and IEM New York in October - plus second place behind TaeJa at DH:W and semifinal in Bucharest (also lost to TaeJa). He was completely unsuccesful in WCS. This is incorrect
DIdn't make Blizzcon, didn't make a single Season finals. That's very unsuccessful for a player like Life.
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I like how Soulkey gets in the backdoor because Innovation decided to give up his spot and then SK wins the whole thing.
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Soulkey is the only top zerg I can recall that uses swarmhosts properly. They got him this championship.
And Jim just might be the best foreigner.
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On December 01 2013 18:31 Waxangel wrote: additionally, Korea claimed a full sweep of the gold, silver and bronze for the first time in StarCraft 2, with (P)Sora and (P)SKT_PartinG placing second and third respectively.
Woah... holy shit is this true? This is the first time Koreans have won all podium spots? That just seems... unlikely.
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On December 02 2013 14:58 DomiNater wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 18:31 Waxangel wrote: additionally, Korea claimed a full sweep of the gold, silver and bronze for the first time in StarCraft 2, with (P)Sora and (P)SKT_PartinG placing second and third respectively.
Woah... holy shit is this true? This is the first time Koreans have won all podium spots? That just seems... unlikely.
He said Starcraft 2, so it just means that a foreigner grabbed a podium spot in 2011 and 2012.
Also there are only 3 Koreans at each WCG, so it just means one upset has to happen.
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In Broodwar it was
2010: Flash, Kal, Jaedong on the Podium
2009: Jaedong, Stork, Bisu in the Top 3
2008: Luxury, Stork, Strelok (1 upset)
2007: Stork, PJ, Mondragon (amazingly 2 foreigners in the top 3)
2006: oov, July, Midas
2005: FOru, Androide, Legionnaire (2 foreigners yaaay!!)
SC2
2012: Parting, Adelscott, MacSed
2011: mvp, xigua, Kas
so yeah, definitely massive korean domination in broodwar.
SC2 has seen some more foreigners in the top 3 but no win.
and it seems to be a much more korean dominated trend.
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On December 02 2013 09:12 mikumegurine wrote:
JIM
did better than Parting AND Sora vs Soulkey
Parting and Sora both each went 1 - 3 vs Soulkey
JIM took 2 games from Soulkey, 2 - 3
Does this mean JIM gots better PvZ than Parting AND Sora????
Whoaaaaaaaaaaaa
Unless I'm missing something Im pretty sure PartinG and Soulkey did NOT play this tournament.
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On December 02 2013 21:08 Dragoonstorm7 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 09:12 mikumegurine wrote:
JIM
did better than Parting AND Sora vs Soulkey
Parting and Sora both each went 1 - 3 vs Soulkey
JIM took 2 games from Soulkey, 2 - 3
Does this mean JIM gots better PvZ than Parting AND Sora????
Whoaaaaaaaaaaaa
Unless I'm missing something Im pretty sure PartinG and Soulkey did NOT play this tournament.
edit : i'm stupid
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Poland3772 Posts
On December 02 2013 21:04 sCuMBaG wrote:
In Broodwar it was
2010: Flash, Kal, Jaedong on the Podium
2009: Jaedong, Stork, Bisu in the Top 3
2008: Luxury, Stork, Strelok (1 upset)
2007: Stork, PJ, Mondragon (amazingly 2 foreigners in the top 3)
2006: oov, July, Midas
2005: FOru, Androide, Legionnaire (2 foreigners yaaay!!)
SC2
2012: Parting, Adelscott, MacSed
2011: mvp, xigua, Kas
so yeah, definitely massive korean domination in broodwar.
SC2 has seen some more foreigners in the top 3 but no win.
and it seems to be a much more korean dominated trend.
Well in 2007 Pj > sAviOr but Stork beat Hwasin so 1 upset.
in 2008 Stork 2:1 Jaedong in Round of 8 so no upset here.
in 2005 Androide famously beat Silent_control but round earlier Silent_control > XellOs so 1 upset.
in 2004 Midas 2:0 fOru in Round of 8 so there was no upset even though the 3rd/4th match was Christian > Androide
in 2003 it was best year for foreigners as FiSheYe was leading 1-0 in the grand final before loosing 2-1. It was the only time that foreigner had a match point in final of WCG. Integerstingly enough Grrrr... won 3rd place by beating Control from Korea and HellGhost from Brazil won with H.O.T-Forever 2-0 (!). What's even more interesting in group stage each korean finished second.
in 2002 blackman was 3rd after beating essay (korean) who beat starsin. And as there was double elimination at the time Elky eliminated starsin while YellOw beat essay. So there were actually two upsets in the brackets and some more in group stage (Boxer was first but with 5-2, Starsin second with 6-1, Essay first with 6-1, YellOw perfect 7-0).
in 2001 Elky finished second beating gorush in looser's bracket final. Interestingly enough GoRush ended in lower bracket because of ElkY so it was actually 2-0. On the other hand BoxeR went 3-0 against ElkY. Worth to note that two koreans fell in group stage - Gundam went 3-2 loosing to Elky and Nazgul.
finally in WCGC 2000 koreans went 1,2 and 4 with NTT taking 3rd place but from what I discovered NTT lost twice to Bassy in group stage (apparently) before taking him down in double elimination bracket's looser's semifinal. Another korean - RandomParkSa - fell to two germans: Rookie and Kalaschni.
So all in all between 2001 and 2003 foreigners were close to taking WCG (with FiSheYe being closest) and later on Pj and Androide made miracle runs despite foreigners declining in general.
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two many events overlaping
i saw one wcg match :/
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On December 02 2013 22:16 j1nzo wrote:
two many events overlaping
i saw one wcg match :/
Technically, it was three many
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Well four if you count D2 @ DreamHack, five if you count LoL @ WCG/IEM and six if you count all games.
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On December 02 2013 22:19 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 22:16 j1nzo wrote:
two many events overlaping
i saw one wcg match :/ Technically, it was three many
Technically I could say there were many more.  I watched what I could. I missed all of IEM and the WCG, but I did check back to read about the results regularly. I got a chance to see Navi play Alliance and I saw what I could when it came to DH Winter. Caught a little League on the side as well. Lots of folks don't focus on just one game these days.
On December 02 2013 22:43 nimdil wrote:
Well four if you count D2 @ DreamHack, five if you count LoL @ WCG/IEM and six if you count all games.
and ofc I miss this guys comment, derp.
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On December 02 2013 22:19 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 22:16 j1nzo wrote:
two many events overlaping
i saw one wcg match :/ Technically, it was three many
i know, the two many just meant that for me iem and especially dh was > wcg
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I would have loved to see the stream of WCG SC2. Anyone watched it in stream ?
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On December 02 2013 21:32 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 21:04 sCuMBaG wrote:
In Broodwar it was
2010: Flash, Kal, Jaedong on the Podium
2009: Jaedong, Stork, Bisu in the Top 3
2008: Luxury, Stork, Strelok (1 upset)
2007: Stork, PJ, Mondragon (amazingly 2 foreigners in the top 3)
2006: oov, July, Midas
2005: FOru, Androide, Legionnaire (2 foreigners yaaay!!)
SC2
2012: Parting, Adelscott, MacSed
2011: mvp, xigua, Kas
so yeah, definitely massive korean domination in broodwar.
SC2 has seen some more foreigners in the top 3 but no win.
and it seems to be a much more korean dominated trend. Well in 2007 Pj > sAviOr but Stork beat Hwasin so 1 upset. in 2008 Stork 2:1 Jaedong in Round of 8 so no upset here. in 2005 Androide famously beat Silent_control but round earlier Silent_control > XellOs so 1 upset. in 2004 Midas 2:0 fOru in Round of 8 so there was no upset even though the 3rd/4th match was Christian > Androide in 2003 it was best year for foreigners as FiSheYe was leading 1-0 in the grand final before loosing 2-1. It was the only time that foreigner had a match point in final of WCG. Integerstingly enough Grrrr... won 3rd place by beating Control from Korea and HellGhost from Brazil won with H.O.T-Forever 2-0 (!). What's even more interesting in group stage each korean finished second. in 2002 blackman was 3rd after beating essay (korean) who beat starsin. And as there was double elimination at the time Elky eliminated starsin while YellOw beat essay. So there were actually two upsets in the brackets and some more in group stage (Boxer was first but with 5-2, Starsin second with 6-1, Essay first with 6-1, YellOw perfect 7-0). in 2001 Elky finished second beating gorush in looser's bracket final. Interestingly enough GoRush ended in lower bracket because of ElkY so it was actually 2-0. On the other hand BoxeR went 3-0 against ElkY. Worth to note that two koreans fell in group stage - Gundam went 3-2 loosing to Elky and Nazgul. finally in WCGC 2000 koreans went 1,2 and 4 with NTT taking 3rd place but from what I discovered NTT lost twice to Bassy in group stage (apparently) before taking him down in double elimination bracket's looser's semifinal. Another korean - RandomParkSa - fell to two germans: Rookie and Kalaschni. So all in all between 2001 and 2003 foreigners were close to taking WCG (with FiSheYe being closest) and later on Pj and Androide made miracle runs despite foreigners declining in general.
The funny rumor about Blackman, was that he trained only vs specially scripted AI, because he didnt have net in home. Also i think i remember reading about Blackman somewhere in Polish press or watching in TV after his WCG run. WCG 2002 was around the time when i got my internet, i was cheering for Elky because he looked so cool in sunglasses. But damn Boxer killed them all. Dat Boxer 
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oh man, sora loses and jim loses
worst result ever
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On December 03 2013 05:13 SaintFrancis wrote:
I would have loved to see the stream of WCG SC2. Anyone watched it in stream ?
Yes. It was pretty poor quality actually... it seemed blurry and washed out. LOTS of downtime between matches where they didn't let you know what was going on... just generic filler clips. Also they had only one solo caster for the finals. I wasn't impressed.
Quality of the competition was great though.
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Soulkey defeated 
CJ_Sora 3 - 1 in the StarCraft 2 finals of WCG 2013 to claim the gold medal. With the win, Soulkey claimed the thirteenth consecutive StarCraft/StarCraft 2 title for South Korea.![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Waxangel/WCG/wcgbracket.png)
