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On December 04 2013 00:58 ffadicted wrote:
This reminds me of when Byun switched from Toss to Terran cuz he thought Terran was super OP.
I remember him saying "I would be Code S already if I was terran", then he switched to terran and made code S lol
Well he qualified for best GSL league first two seasons (as protoss). Then 3rd season after he had transioned he didn't qualify at all to GSL and then 4th season he got 4th in Code a.
Looking back though - Protoss was much stronger than terran at that point in time due to Khadarian amulet. That's probably the most imbalanced thing ever to have been in Sc2.
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On December 04 2013 02:18 keglu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 01:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 04 2013 01:34 keglu wrote:On December 03 2013 21:29 Green_25 wrote:On December 03 2013 21:13 perfidiusrex wrote:
protoss ain't having that high winrate in tournaments.recently they might be good but overall not that many protoses win anything.despite being the whiniest zerg and terran usually dominate the tournament scene by far.hell jaedong beat dear in the world finals. The game is balanced at the highest levels noones denying that. PvT is a 55% last month. This is basically worse than in 1/1/1 domination period. Nothing is worse than the 1/1/1 domination period, or GomTvTvTvTvT... It's worse in terms of winrates. Your opinion does not change that.
While I was indeed just stating my opinion, you haven't even verified that your truth value statement is correct. Is the current statistic of PvT at 55% win rate for Protoss actually a less even statistic than the GomTvT era? You made that claim, so please back it up with those old statistics to compare. (I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm asking you to provide evidence to validate your assertion.)
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On December 04 2013 12:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 02:18 keglu wrote:On December 04 2013 01:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 04 2013 01:34 keglu wrote:On December 03 2013 21:29 Green_25 wrote:On December 03 2013 21:13 perfidiusrex wrote:
protoss ain't having that high winrate in tournaments.recently they might be good but overall not that many protoses win anything.despite being the whiniest zerg and terran usually dominate the tournament scene by far.hell jaedong beat dear in the world finals. The game is balanced at the highest levels noones denying that. PvT is a 55% last month. This is basically worse than in 1/1/1 domination period. Nothing is worse than the 1/1/1 domination period, or GomTvTvTvTvT... It's worse in terms of winrates. Your opinion does not change that. While I was indeed just stating my opinion, you haven't even verified that your truth value statement is correct. Is the current statistic of PvT at 55% win rate for Protoss actually a less even statistic than the GomTvT era? You made that claim, so please back it up with those old statistics to compare. (I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm asking you to provide evidence to validate your assertion.)
http://aligulac.com/reports/
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On December 04 2013 15:31 keglu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 12:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 04 2013 02:18 keglu wrote:On December 04 2013 01:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 04 2013 01:34 keglu wrote:On December 03 2013 21:29 Green_25 wrote:On December 03 2013 21:13 perfidiusrex wrote:
protoss ain't having that high winrate in tournaments.recently they might be good but overall not that many protoses win anything.despite being the whiniest zerg and terran usually dominate the tournament scene by far.hell jaedong beat dear in the world finals. The game is balanced at the highest levels noones denying that. PvT is a 55% last month. This is basically worse than in 1/1/1 domination period. Nothing is worse than the 1/1/1 domination period, or GomTvTvTvTvT... It's worse in terms of winrates. Your opinion does not change that. While I was indeed just stating my opinion, you haven't even verified that your truth value statement is correct. Is the current statistic of PvT at 55% win rate for Protoss actually a less even statistic than the GomTvT era? You made that claim, so please back it up with those old statistics to compare. (I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm asking you to provide evidence to validate your assertion.) http://aligulac.com/reports/
That shows records of Terran with nearly 60% win rate against both Protoss and Zerg back in the day. I don't think 55% PvT all of a sudden is that big a deal lol.
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meh, im more concerned with the second graph, showing a decline in T performance since the release of hots, with no sign of slowing down. in fact you can see the performance of T now is the same as in the patch zerg era...
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On December 04 2013 15:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 15:31 keglu wrote:On December 04 2013 12:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 04 2013 02:18 keglu wrote:On December 04 2013 01:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 04 2013 01:34 keglu wrote:On December 03 2013 21:29 Green_25 wrote:On December 03 2013 21:13 perfidiusrex wrote:
protoss ain't having that high winrate in tournaments.recently they might be good but overall not that many protoses win anything.despite being the whiniest zerg and terran usually dominate the tournament scene by far.hell jaedong beat dear in the world finals. The game is balanced at the highest levels noones denying that. PvT is a 55% last month. This is basically worse than in 1/1/1 domination period. Nothing is worse than the 1/1/1 domination period, or GomTvTvTvTvT... It's worse in terms of winrates. Your opinion does not change that. While I was indeed just stating my opinion, you haven't even verified that your truth value statement is correct. Is the current statistic of PvT at 55% win rate for Protoss actually a less even statistic than the GomTvT era? You made that claim, so please back it up with those old statistics to compare. (I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm asking you to provide evidence to validate your assertion.) http://aligulac.com/reports/ That shows records of Terran with nearly 60% win rate against both Protoss and Zerg back in the day. I don't think 55% PvT all of a sudden is that big a deal lol.
If we wanna go back to balance from end of 2010 indeed we should not worry about current trend and situation.
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On December 04 2013 04:07 Hider wrote:
Looking back though - Protoss was much stronger than terran at that point in time due to Khadarian amulet. That's probably the most imbalanced thing ever to have been in Sc2.
Reapers.
Anyway, Protoss was strong, but Terran was clearly stronger back in the day. Results and statistics back that up. The last month KA was in the game, Protoss was winning less than 50% of games against Terran.
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On December 05 2013 03:09 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 04:07 Hider wrote:
Looking back though - Protoss was much stronger than terran at that point in time due to Khadarian amulet. That's probably the most imbalanced thing ever to have been in Sc2. Reapers. Anyway, Protoss was strong, but Terran was clearly stronger back in the day. Results and statistics back that up. The last month KA was in the game, Protoss was winning less than 50% of games against Terran.
Haha.
Also, (probably) not technically true. If you take, say, BabyKnight and Happy, put them on a current map, and give them the patch before amulet was removed, i would bet good money on babyk winning. A lot of early victories from terran came from the fact that maps naturally compressed games into timeframes where terran had the advantage, and other races didn't get to exercise their strengths as much.
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Foreigners cannot win with Terran, its just too hard. But switching to the by far easiest race is not a option...
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On December 05 2013 03:47 CrankOut wrote:
Foreigners cannot win with Terran, its just too hard. But switching to the by far easiest race is not a option...
He switched to Protoss, not Zerg...
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On December 05 2013 03:50 blinken wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:47 CrankOut wrote:
Foreigners cannot win with Terran, its just too hard. But switching to the by far easiest race is not a option... He switched to Protoss, not Zerg...
Come on, he didn't want to sink THAT low...  besides, the gamertag PatchZerg would not have even been creative, whereas PatchToss is just awesome :D
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On December 05 2013 03:42 GTPGlitch wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:09 BronzeKnee wrote:On December 04 2013 04:07 Hider wrote:
Looking back though - Protoss was much stronger than terran at that point in time due to Khadarian amulet. That's probably the most imbalanced thing ever to have been in Sc2. Reapers. Anyway, Protoss was strong, but Terran was clearly stronger back in the day. Results and statistics back that up. The last month KA was in the game, Protoss was winning less than 50% of games against Terran. Haha. Also, (probably) not technically true. If you take, say, BabyKnight and Happy, put them on a current map, and give them the patch before amulet was removed, i would bet good money on babyk winning. A lot of early victories from terran came from the fact that maps naturally compressed games into timeframes where terran had the advantage, and other races didn't get to exercise their strengths as much.
Yes, let's create a completely irrelevant scenario featuring a new map, arbitrary balance buffs, a different metagame, and two mid-tier pro-gamers to defend an assertion about the way the game used to be balanced, instead of looking at actual statistics and data.
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Guys this is the thread you're looking for I think.
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He needs some coaching for Protoss, his micro is "okay" but his timings are very late on his attacks. He needs to practice builds and have a Pro-Protoss give him tips. I think his PvT is his best matchup because he understands how it works so well. I think his PvZ is abysmal and as a diamond Protoss I find his play sloppy and late, his attacks are too late, his builds orders are unsafe and not very efficient. He needs a lot of work or he will never make GM ^^ Good luck.
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On December 04 2013 15:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 04 2013 15:31 keglu wrote:On December 04 2013 12:24 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 04 2013 02:18 keglu wrote:On December 04 2013 01:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 04 2013 01:34 keglu wrote:On December 03 2013 21:29 Green_25 wrote:On December 03 2013 21:13 perfidiusrex wrote:
protoss ain't having that high winrate in tournaments.recently they might be good but overall not that many protoses win anything.despite being the whiniest zerg and terran usually dominate the tournament scene by far.hell jaedong beat dear in the world finals. The game is balanced at the highest levels noones denying that. PvT is a 55% last month. This is basically worse than in 1/1/1 domination period. Nothing is worse than the 1/1/1 domination period, or GomTvTvTvTvT... It's worse in terms of winrates. Your opinion does not change that. While I was indeed just stating my opinion, you haven't even verified that your truth value statement is correct. Is the current statistic of PvT at 55% win rate for Protoss actually a less even statistic than the GomTvT era? You made that claim, so please back it up with those old statistics to compare. (I'm not saying you're wrong, but I'm asking you to provide evidence to validate your assertion.) http://aligulac.com/reports/ That shows records of Terran with nearly 60% win rate against both Protoss and Zerg back in the day. I don't think 55% PvT all of a sudden is that big a deal lol.
I think that u should consider that the patch was at mid November and from October to November it was 3% increase for Protoss in the matchup so it can be easyly 58-60% now we have to w8 on the next month.
But U also can no denie that on EU and NA nearly 50% of the GM league are Protoss^^.
And last ZvT was in 2010 also about 60% and Fruitdealer won GSL. So I think all this ah Taeja wins Tournaments so the game is balanced is off the table now.
thanks for reading.^^
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On December 05 2013 04:11 Darkhoarse wrote:Guys this is the thread you're looking for I think.
No, it´s not, because nobody reads that. 
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On December 05 2013 04:07 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:42 GTPGlitch wrote:On December 05 2013 03:09 BronzeKnee wrote:On December 04 2013 04:07 Hider wrote:
Looking back though - Protoss was much stronger than terran at that point in time due to Khadarian amulet. That's probably the most imbalanced thing ever to have been in Sc2. Reapers. Anyway, Protoss was strong, but Terran was clearly stronger back in the day. Results and statistics back that up. The last month KA was in the game, Protoss was winning less than 50% of games against Terran. Haha. Also, (probably) not technically true. If you take, say, BabyKnight and Happy, put them on a current map, and give them the patch before amulet was removed, i would bet good money on babyk winning. A lot of early victories from terran came from the fact that maps naturally compressed games into timeframes where terran had the advantage, and other races didn't get to exercise their strengths as much. Yes, let's create a completely irrelevant scenario featuring a new map, arbitrary balance buffs, a different metagame, and two mid-tier pro-gamers to defend an assertion about the way the game used to be balanced, instead of looking at actual statistics and data.
Oh you, you and your reason <3
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I will be interested to see how this pans out for him... But I don't expect it will really last.
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On December 05 2013 03:50 blinken wrote:Show nested quote +On December 05 2013 03:47 CrankOut wrote:
Foreigners cannot win with Terran, its just too hard. But switching to the by far easiest race is not a option... He switched to Protoss, not Zerg...
Having played all three races to low-mid masters (before ladder changes) protoss is by far the easiest race to play
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Think PvP will be his downfall. Compared to TvT it feels maybe not coinflippy, but on a razor's edge. Sjow has always struck me as a good strategic player but PvP seems to be more about trickery and mind games.
Edit: I also find it a bit funny that people don't agree with KA being the most OP thing that got removed. The maps were so insanely small that it didn't effect the game as much as it'd do now, but that doesn't really change how strong it was. If you got to hts + storm + KA they were a nightmare to deal with.
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