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Azelja
Profile Joined May 2011
Japan762 Posts
December 03 2013 14:53 GMT
#421
On December 03 2013 23:18 Pirfiktshon wrote:
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Funniest thing about this all: this got him some tasty stream viewers.


Yea, the Terran players want him to succeed in doing this and the protoss players want him to fall flat on his face LOLOL so everyone has their reasons to watch


Pretty much this
I bet if I drank the twitch chat for the session yesterday would have been highly entertaining.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9389 Posts
December 03 2013 14:57 GMT
#422
On December 03 2013 22:40 Lochland wrote:
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On December 03 2013 21:12 ( bush wrote:
He's already at a top masters level on NA after 1 day of practice. A month is too much time for him, I bet he can manage to get top 50 GM in less than 2 weeks.


He's not at top master level. He was around mid-master (the position in the division is meaningless, you should consider his points).

And from there to top 50 gm the journey is VERY long, expecially considering he have no clue about builds in PvP/PvZ and his mechanics can't carry him (since they are quite bad). He's a very smart guy and that helps a bit, but still it will be very hard to get top50.

My prediction is : he will achieve GM in a month but not top50. It seems resonable..


Yeh I agree with that prediction. Low-mid GM is most realistic.
Marke
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden279 Posts
December 03 2013 15:36 GMT
#423
he has gm toss coach that tells him what builds to use and Sjow is smart. im sure he will be Gm in few days. and 50 in 1 week.
Det är inte lätt när det är svårt
VeTerrAn1
Profile Joined February 2013
Switzerland39 Posts
December 03 2013 15:54 GMT
#424
SjoW after 5 hours at top of master league in NA ^^

good job, and beat Thorzain twice, but lost in the end 3-2 ... but i don't know what i should think about this, a pro switch race and barely can beat a long time pro with Terran (Thorzain)??
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
December 03 2013 15:58 GMT
#425
This reminds me of when Byun switched from Toss to Terran cuz he thought Terran was super OP.
I remember him saying "I would be Code S already if I was terran", then he switched to terran and made code S lol
SooYoung-Noona!
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
December 03 2013 16:09 GMT
#426
On December 04 2013 00:54 VeTerrAn1 wrote:
SjoW after 5 hours at top of master league in NA ^^

good job, and beat Thorzain twice, but lost in the end 3-2 ... but i don't know what i should think about this, a pro switch race and barely can beat a long time pro with Terran (Thorzain)??



Not being funny but I'm pretty sure someone in Bronze league could have beaten Thorzain in that game 3 given how it went...

Game 2 was slightly different, but Thorzain was still pretty greedy with the third CC. Bit of a weird game though, you get them sometimes.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-03 16:25:06
December 03 2013 16:24 GMT
#427
On December 04 2013 01:09 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2013 00:54 VeTerrAn1 wrote:
SjoW after 5 hours at top of master league in NA ^^

good job, and beat Thorzain twice, but lost in the end 3-2 ... but i don't know what i should think about this, a pro switch race and barely can beat a long time pro with Terran (Thorzain)??



Not being funny but I'm pretty sure someone in Bronze league could have beaten Thorzain in that game 3 given how it went...

Game 2 was slightly different, but Thorzain was still pretty greedy with the third CC. Bit of a weird game though, you get them sometimes.

He had 4 cc right?
2 at the natural and 2 at the mainbase.

+ he did double upgrates
Fusilero: "I still can't believe he did that, like dude what the fuck there's fandom and then there's what he did like holy shit. I still see it when I close my eyes." <- reaction to the original drunk santa post which later caught on
plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
December 03 2013 16:30 GMT
#428
On December 04 2013 00:58 ffadicted wrote:
This reminds me of when Byun switched from Toss to Terran cuz he thought Terran was super OP.
I remember him saying "I would be Code S already if I was terran", then he switched to terran and made code S lol


And then Terran got nerfs and Byun hasn't been seen in a scene much. At least not in WCS.

But hey, let's keep implying Terran is OP.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
December 03 2013 16:32 GMT
#429
On December 04 2013 01:30 plogamer wrote:
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On December 04 2013 00:58 ffadicted wrote:
This reminds me of when Byun switched from Toss to Terran cuz he thought Terran was super OP.
I remember him saying "I would be Code S already if I was terran", then he switched to terran and made code S lol


And then Terran got nerfs and Byun hasn't been seen in a scene much. At least not in WCS.

But hey, let's keep implying Terran is OP.

Nobody denies that at time when ByuN switched Terran could be considered *kinda* OP. Not now though. Or ever in 2012.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
keglu
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland485 Posts
December 03 2013 16:34 GMT
#430
On December 03 2013 21:29 Green_25 wrote:
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On December 03 2013 21:13 perfidiusrex wrote:
protoss ain't having that high winrate in tournaments.recently they might be good but overall not that many protoses win anything.despite being the whiniest zerg and terran usually dominate the tournament scene by far.hell jaedong beat dear in the world finals.

The game is balanced at the highest levels noones denying that.




PvT is a 55% last month. This is basically worse than in 1/1/1 domination period.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44367 Posts
December 03 2013 16:55 GMT
#431
On December 04 2013 01:34 keglu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2013 21:29 Green_25 wrote:
On December 03 2013 21:13 perfidiusrex wrote:
protoss ain't having that high winrate in tournaments.recently they might be good but overall not that many protoses win anything.despite being the whiniest zerg and terran usually dominate the tournament scene by far.hell jaedong beat dear in the world finals.

The game is balanced at the highest levels noones denying that.




PvT is a 55% last month. This is basically worse than in 1/1/1 domination period.


Nothing is worse than the 1/1/1 domination period, or GomTvTvTvTvT...
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Vicissitude
Profile Joined October 2013
Sweden28 Posts
December 03 2013 16:56 GMT
#432
Is anyone aware of how PvZ is faring for the moment? I don't really care about these numbers since I am a lowly silver trudger (potential racial imbalances doesn't affect me yadi-yadi-ya) and as always it seems kind of balanced at the top level. I'm just curious, since there's a lot of heat emanating from the PvT-side of things, but I haven't really experienced that when it comes to PvZ.
Unless stated otherwise, my posts are from the view of someone who watches SC2 and want to improve it from that perspective, and those opinions will most often have little to do with what experience when I actually play.
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
December 03 2013 17:07 GMT
#433
On December 04 2013 01:24 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2013 01:09 -Celestial- wrote:
On December 04 2013 00:54 VeTerrAn1 wrote:
SjoW after 5 hours at top of master league in NA ^^

good job, and beat Thorzain twice, but lost in the end 3-2 ... but i don't know what i should think about this, a pro switch race and barely can beat a long time pro with Terran (Thorzain)??



Not being funny but I'm pretty sure someone in Bronze league could have beaten Thorzain in that game 3 given how it went...

Game 2 was slightly different, but Thorzain was still pretty greedy with the third CC. Bit of a weird game though, you get them sometimes.

He had 4 cc right?
2 at the natural and 2 at the mainbase.

+ he did double upgrates



I was only half watching so I might have missed the fourth, I distinctly remember the third and thinking he was being pretty brave with trying that against a likely all-inning Protoss. Ye gods, and people are taking that seriously? X-D


On December 04 2013 01:32 lolfail9001 wrote:
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On December 04 2013 01:30 plogamer wrote:
On December 04 2013 00:58 ffadicted wrote:
This reminds me of when Byun switched from Toss to Terran cuz he thought Terran was super OP.
I remember him saying "I would be Code S already if I was terran", then he switched to terran and made code S lol


And then Terran got nerfs and Byun hasn't been seen in a scene much. At least not in WCS.

But hey, let's keep implying Terran is OP.

Nobody denies that at time when ByuN switched Terran could be considered *kinda* OP. Not now though. Or ever in 2012.


Plenty of people did and still do. I believe the argument was "they're just better!" which is a wonderful hand wave that's been used for years by a number of Terrans. Most recently at the start of Heart of the Swarm before things started getting nerfed.

And I shudder to think of what you think truly imbalanced is if 62.5% of GSL Code S being Teran is only "kinda OP". ;P


On December 04 2013 01:34 keglu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2013 21:29 Green_25 wrote:
On December 03 2013 21:13 perfidiusrex wrote:
protoss ain't having that high winrate in tournaments.recently they might be good but overall not that many protoses win anything.despite being the whiniest zerg and terran usually dominate the tournament scene by far.hell jaedong beat dear in the world finals.

The game is balanced at the highest levels noones denying that.




PvT is a 55% last month. This is basically worse than in 1/1/1 domination period.


Actually I'm pretty sure the 1/1/1 era had WAY higher Terran winrates than a mere 55%. Especially considering 55% is only borderline for there being a balance issue (i.e. has to be higher than that for it to even be considered as a potential problem).
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
keglu
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland485 Posts
December 03 2013 17:18 GMT
#434
On December 04 2013 01:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2013 01:34 keglu wrote:
On December 03 2013 21:29 Green_25 wrote:
On December 03 2013 21:13 perfidiusrex wrote:
protoss ain't having that high winrate in tournaments.recently they might be good but overall not that many protoses win anything.despite being the whiniest zerg and terran usually dominate the tournament scene by far.hell jaedong beat dear in the world finals.

The game is balanced at the highest levels noones denying that.




PvT is a 55% last month. This is basically worse than in 1/1/1 domination period.


Nothing is worse than the 1/1/1 domination period, or GomTvTvTvTvT...


It's worse in terms of winrates. Your opinion does not change that.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-03 17:22:56
December 03 2013 17:21 GMT
#435
On December 04 2013 01:30 plogamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2013 00:58 ffadicted wrote:
This reminds me of when Byun switched from Toss to Terran cuz he thought Terran was super OP.
I remember him saying "I would be Code S already if I was terran", then he switched to terran and made code S lol


And then Terran got nerfs and Byun hasn't been seen in a scene much. At least not in WCS.

But hey, let's keep implying Terran is OP.


It's all about timelines and I don't think he was implying Terran is OP atm. He's talking about one moment in time.

On December 04 2013 01:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2013 01:34 keglu wrote:
On December 03 2013 21:29 Green_25 wrote:
On December 03 2013 21:13 perfidiusrex wrote:
protoss ain't having that high winrate in tournaments.recently they might be good but overall not that many protoses win anything.despite being the whiniest zerg and terran usually dominate the tournament scene by far.hell jaedong beat dear in the world finals.

The game is balanced at the highest levels noones denying that.




PvT is a 55% last month. This is basically worse than in 1/1/1 domination period.


Nothing is worse than the 1/1/1 domination period, or GomTvTvTvTvT...


It wasn't pretty to watch, that's for sure.
keglu
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland485 Posts
December 03 2013 17:22 GMT
#436
On December 04 2013 02:07 -Celestial- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2013 01:24 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
On December 04 2013 01:09 -Celestial- wrote:
On December 04 2013 00:54 VeTerrAn1 wrote:
SjoW after 5 hours at top of master league in NA ^^

good job, and beat Thorzain twice, but lost in the end 3-2 ... but i don't know what i should think about this, a pro switch race and barely can beat a long time pro with Terran (Thorzain)??



Not being funny but I'm pretty sure someone in Bronze league could have beaten Thorzain in that game 3 given how it went...

Game 2 was slightly different, but Thorzain was still pretty greedy with the third CC. Bit of a weird game though, you get them sometimes.

He had 4 cc right?
2 at the natural and 2 at the mainbase.

+ he did double upgrates



I was only half watching so I might have missed the fourth, I distinctly remember the third and thinking he was being pretty brave with trying that against a likely all-inning Protoss. Ye gods, and people are taking that seriously? X-D


Show nested quote +
On December 04 2013 01:32 lolfail9001 wrote:
On December 04 2013 01:30 plogamer wrote:
On December 04 2013 00:58 ffadicted wrote:
This reminds me of when Byun switched from Toss to Terran cuz he thought Terran was super OP.
I remember him saying "I would be Code S already if I was terran", then he switched to terran and made code S lol


And then Terran got nerfs and Byun hasn't been seen in a scene much. At least not in WCS.

But hey, let's keep implying Terran is OP.

Nobody denies that at time when ByuN switched Terran could be considered *kinda* OP. Not now though. Or ever in 2012.


Plenty of people did and still do. I believe the argument was "they're just better!" which is a wonderful hand wave that's been used for years by a number of Terrans. Most recently at the start of Heart of the Swarm before things started getting nerfed.

And I shudder to think of what you think truly imbalanced is if 62.5% of GSL Code S being Teran is only "kinda OP". ;P


Show nested quote +
On December 04 2013 01:34 keglu wrote:
On December 03 2013 21:29 Green_25 wrote:
On December 03 2013 21:13 perfidiusrex wrote:
protoss ain't having that high winrate in tournaments.recently they might be good but overall not that many protoses win anything.despite being the whiniest zerg and terran usually dominate the tournament scene by far.hell jaedong beat dear in the world finals.

The game is balanced at the highest levels noones denying that.




PvT is a 55% last month. This is basically worse than in 1/1/1 domination period.


Actually I'm pretty sure the 1/1/1 era had WAY higher Terran winrates than a mere 55%. Especially considering 55% is only borderline for there being a balance issue (i.e. has to be higher than that for it to even be considered as a potential problem).


http://aligulac.com/reports/
Outside of march 2013 last time TvP was below 45% - November 2010. Im pretty sure 1/1/1 was later.
scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
December 03 2013 17:36 GMT
#437
Stream is up... here we go again.
I play random | I like Hots | INnoVation | sOs | Tefel TOP1!
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 03 2013 17:56 GMT
#438
On December 04 2013 01:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2013 01:34 keglu wrote:
On December 03 2013 21:29 Green_25 wrote:
On December 03 2013 21:13 perfidiusrex wrote:
protoss ain't having that high winrate in tournaments.recently they might be good but overall not that many protoses win anything.despite being the whiniest zerg and terran usually dominate the tournament scene by far.hell jaedong beat dear in the world finals.

The game is balanced at the highest levels noones denying that.




PvT is a 55% last month. This is basically worse than in 1/1/1 domination period.


Nothing is worse than the 1/1/1 domination period, or GomTvTvTvTvT...


During that time, everything just went poorly for Protoss. The top Protoss MC was slumping and had fallen to Code B, you had all these vP monsters running around, Bomber, Polt, MKP, and Coca (100% winrate vs. Protoss in 2011 GSL matches).

Zergs had a tough time too, as you had these vZ monsters in Mvp, MMA and Nestea (cannibalizing the swarm).
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Lochland
Profile Joined December 2013
Italy26 Posts
December 03 2013 18:02 GMT
#439
On December 04 2013 00:36 Marke wrote:
he has gm toss coach that tells him what builds to use and Sjow is smart. im sure he will be Gm in few days. and 50 in 1 week.


Then he's not listening his coach (Runa?) since 90% of the build he's doing doesen't make that much sense...

And top50 in a week ? Lol :D
scypio
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland2127 Posts
December 03 2013 19:05 GMT
#440
"how do you beat storms?"asks Sjow's zergy opponent.
"emp" - says Sjow.
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