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On December 03 2013 20:11 Hider wrote:
Terran probably has the easiest macro in the sense that you never have to go back to your base. You can instead focus on your army all the time.
This isn't strictly true for all people. Friends of mine who tried Terran off-race failed very badly, since Terran has to build buildings and depots (any many of them) all of the time and you need one worker for each. Zerg has by far the easiest macro seen this way. Many Terran off-racing as Zerg report very fast success (success stories "I was stuck in diamond and after switching to Zerg I'm easily Master"), but it doesn't work the other way round. Of course, Protoss has only a little bit less infrastructure hassle.
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On December 03 2013 20:39 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 20:26 Merilwen wrote:
Out of interest, would someone mind telling me what SjoW's average APM is? A rough figure of course :3 Thanks! Good luck with him anyway, no matter what, if it keeps him passionate about the game it's worth it. He had 60 avg. apm in his first 7 matches. After that I stopped watching.
I think it was Nony who said a couple of years ago that SjoW needed to work on playing faster and that was the biggest thing holding him back.
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On December 03 2013 21:01 Green_25 wrote:
PvT is hilariously protoss favoured at the lower level, its funny that anyone would deny that.
Overall though I don't have a problem with it as a race, I enjoy watching cheesy bullshit every now and then. Good luck to Sjow, I think he will be a better player as protoss.
Still winrates are even.
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He's already at a top masters level on NA after 1 day of practice. A month is too much time for him, I bet he can manage to get top 50 GM in less than 2 weeks.
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protoss ain't having that high winrate in tournaments.recently they might be good but overall not that many protoses win anything.despite being the whiniest zerg and terran usually dominate the tournament scene by far.hell jaedong beat dear in the world finals.
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On December 03 2013 21:12 ( bush wrote:
He's already at a top masters level on NA after 1 day of practice. A month is too much time for him, I bet he can manage to get top 50 GM in less than 2 weeks.
Uhem, what about top 50 GM on EU :3?
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On December 03 2013 21:11 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 21:01 Green_25 wrote:
PvT is hilariously protoss favoured at the lower level, its funny that anyone would deny that.
Overall though I don't have a problem with it as a race, I enjoy watching cheesy bullshit every now and then. Good luck to Sjow, I think he will be a better player as protoss. Still winrates are even.
winrates indicate that matchmaking is good not that one race harder than another race, i think.
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On December 03 2013 21:13 perfidiusrex wrote:
protoss ain't having that high winrate in tournaments.recently they might be good but overall not that many protoses win anything.despite being the whiniest zerg and terran usually dominate the tournament scene by far.hell jaedong beat dear in the world finals.
The game is balanced at the highest levels noones denying that.
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On December 03 2013 21:18 75 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 21:11 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:On December 03 2013 21:01 Green_25 wrote:
PvT is hilariously protoss favoured at the lower level, its funny that anyone would deny that.
Overall though I don't have a problem with it as a race, I enjoy watching cheesy bullshit every now and then. Good luck to Sjow, I think he will be a better player as protoss. Still winrates are even. winrates indicate that matchmaking is good not that one race harder than another race, i think.
not necessarily, protoss players could technically have a 0% win rate vs zerg and 100% vs terran. and this would indicate that one of those match up isn't balanced.
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On December 03 2013 21:12 ( bush wrote:
He's already at a top masters level on NA after 1 day of practice. A month is too much time for him, I bet he can manage to get top 50 GM in less than 2 weeks.
Highly doubt it.
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Getting to top masters offracing is really easy for any pro, going from that to top 50 gm is a massive jump, personally feel he will struggle to get there, since every gm he faces will know who he is and just auto prepare for cheese. Getting GM itself will be quite easy.
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On December 03 2013 21:12 ( bush wrote:
He's already at a top masters level on NA after 1 day of practice. A month is too much time for him, I bet he can manage to get top 50 GM in less than 2 weeks.
He's not at top master level. He was around mid-master (the position in the division is meaningless, you should consider his points).
And from there to top 50 gm the journey is VERY long, expecially considering he have no clue about builds in PvP/PvZ and his mechanics can't carry him (since they are quite bad). He's a very smart guy and that helps a bit, but still it will be very hard to get top50.
My prediction is : he will achieve GM in a month but not top50. It seems resonable..
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Can't SjoW technically only achieve GM if there's an opening (i.e., current GM players are idle for so long that they lose their spot in the GM league, allowing someone to take it)? Or are we just referring to SjoW's MMR, where he's consistently playing mid-GM players?
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Funniest thing about this all: this got him some tasty stream viewers.
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On December 03 2013 23:09 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Can't SjoW technically only achieve GM if there's an opening (i.e., current GM players are idle for so long that they lose their spot in the GM league, allowing someone to take it)? Or are we just referring to SjoW's MMR, where he's consistently playing mid-GM players?
GM is rarely 200/200
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Funniest thing about this all: this got him some tasty stream viewers.
Yea, the Terran players want him to succeed in doing this and the protoss players want him to fall flat on his face LOLOL so everyone has their reasons to watch
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Awesome to see him play yesterday. Blink-boss-SjoW ;-D
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Not having that income boost as early as possible DOES delay production for terran. You can't build your extra production facilities earlier and you can't produce units until you have that income boost. Terran players factor that income boost into determining how many production facilities they can support.
Unless you are planning to chronoboost an upgrade 100% of the time, it's not going to matter exactly when you chronoboost it. It's 7 am, I just woke up so I'll just make up some numbers instead of looking up exact times.
For example let's say you plan to chronoboost weapons upgrade twice. You can either chronoboost it twice back-to-back right off the start and then wait 20 seconds at the end. So 15 second (for 1 chronoboost) + 15 + 20 = 50 seconds to complete the upgrade. Or you can chronoboost once at the start and once at the end, 15 + 20 + 15 = 50 seconds. Or you can chronoboost twice at the end, 20 + 15 + 15 = 50 seconds.
So again, unless you are planning to chronoboost 100% of the time, you don't lose anything by chronoboosting late.
Protoss players build more gateways then they need or can support because they can afford to do that. They don't actually want to be building gateway units that early. They can afford to skip production cycles because they can instantly have a particular unit when they want it. How many times have you seen protoss players build gateways but instead of warping in units, they warp in a nexus? Terran players and even zerg players are forced to build and spend income 30+ seconds before they actually want that unit and before their spent income actually has an affect.
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On December 03 2013 23:37 KingofGods wrote:
Unless you are planning to chronoboost an upgrade 100% of the time, it's not going to matter exactly when you chronoboost it. It's 7 am, I just woke up so I'll just make up some numbers instead of looking up exact times.
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So again, unless you are planning to chronoboost 100% of the time, you don't lose anything by chronoboosting late.
Which you SHOULD be doing. You SHOULD be chronoboosting key upgrades 100% of the time to get it out as fast as possible optimally. And if you miss that you'll wreck a timing or possibly flat out lose the game if you're missing something crucial at a key moment (storm, say...or thermal lance).
So...your point?
And lets not get into the whole "front loaded production vs back loaded production" again. There's like a million threads about it already.
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I'm actually still surprised that Sjow is still playing  . I'm guessing he's a part-time pro and has a real job doing something else, I would be surprised if he could get by for two years already with very little coverage or accomplishment ,with his team still paying him a normal salary. At this point I'm surprised any foreigner except those at the very top are still playing.
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