• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 15:18
CEST 21:18
KST 04:18
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 1 - Final Week6[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15HomeStory Cup 27 - Info & Preview18Classic wins Code S Season 2 (2025)16Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, Rogue, Classic, GuMiho0
Community News
Esports World Cup 2025 - Brackets Revealed14Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll7Team TLMC #5 - Submission extension3Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation17$25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced7
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (July 7-13): Classic continues to roll RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Who will win EWC 2025? The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Esports World Cup 2025 - Final Player Roster
Tourneys
FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $8000 live event Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo) WardiTV Mondays
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune Mutation # 481 Fear and Lava Mutation # 480 Moths to the Flame Mutation # 479 Worn Out Welcome
Brood War
General
Flash Announces (and Retracts) Hiatus From ASL [ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Help: rep cant save
Tourneys
Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches CSL Xiamen International Invitational [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers I am doing this better than progamers do.
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread CCLP - Command & Conquer League Project The PlayStation 5
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Summer Games Done Quick 2025!
Fan Clubs
SKT1 Classic Fan Club! Maru Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Men Take Risks, Women Win Ga…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 773 users

WCS 2014: Partial Region Lock, GSL returns, and more - Pag…

Forum Index > SC2 General
663 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 15 34 Next All
reDicE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1020 Posts
November 21 2013 00:58 GMT
#241
On November 21 2013 09:56 Dexington wrote:
Ummm so WCS AM will still be at least 50% Korean due to the left over players? This solves nothing

Don't worry. That percent will rise with subsequent seasons :D!

Looking forward to ShoutCraft AM.
theMagus
Profile Joined February 2013
578 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 00:59:34
November 21 2013 00:58 GMT
#242
excellent changes. gsl with the higher prize pool and osl most likely coming back as a regular tournament. sounds good

thank you for listening, blizzard!
"Give away the stone. Let the oceans take and transmutate this cold and fated anchor. Let the waters kiss and transmutate these leaden grudges into gold. Let go."
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
November 21 2013 00:59 GMT
#243
This looks really good!
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
Bowzar
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden741 Posts
November 21 2013 01:00 GMT
#244
So lets say a Korean wants to collect some easy money, how hard is it to get a greencard? I feel like Blizzard should help more with VISA issues. I want to see Violet again.
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
November 21 2013 01:00 GMT
#245
most positive thread since destiny reached GM thread HEH.
Moderatorlickypiddy
ForLethr
Profile Joined November 2013
80 Posts
November 21 2013 01:00 GMT
#246
This means no season final?
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
November 21 2013 01:03 GMT
#247
On November 21 2013 10:00 ForLethr wrote:
This means no season final?

correct, no season finals.
Moderatorlickypiddy
thirtyapm
Profile Joined January 2012
521 Posts
November 21 2013 01:04 GMT
#248
good changes, great work guys
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
November 21 2013 01:06 GMT
#249
Having read the whole post and taken the time to let it sink in I think this is generally positive all across the board. Pretty much every major criticism has been addressed and a change has been made for the better.
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
November 21 2013 01:07 GMT
#250
While this new schedule MIGHT open things up for the return of OSL, I would not hold my breath, the audience wasn't there either on TV or in person, OGN simply has no incentive to run it and with no WCS money going into it you're unlikely to see SC2 on Korean TV again which will contribute to it's further decline.

This is decent news for GSL and some players in the short term as it means a greater focus, but I fear it's going to be a struggle long term.
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
November 21 2013 01:07 GMT
#251
Thats a big finger in the face of OGN for not putting up the quality desired by the viewers... will be interesting if OSL comes back in the old format?
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
Beakyboo
Profile Joined May 2010
United States485 Posts
November 21 2013 01:08 GMT
#252
The way they're distributing all the reserved slots in NA seems weird to me. Just group all the regions you want to reserve slots for together for 18 slots and do 6 wildcard matches, like in EU. No reason to reserve special slots to guarantee representatives from specific regions.

NA feels too restrictive on Koreans too. I think it's lame making WCS arbitrarily more difficult for the best players. A compromise is fine, but it's overboard imo. It's just going to drive players into quitting. And no, as much as people would love for it to happen, it's not going to raise the level of the foreign scene. I think we can be pretty damn certain at this point that that's just never going to happen.
Killmouse
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria5700 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 01:10:47
November 21 2013 01:10 GMT
#253
this applies to wcs am eu and gsl?? so way less gsl in 2014??
+ Show Spoiler +
Q. In 2013 there was a lot of broadcasted WCS content within very compressed time periods. Some in the community felt the volume of WCS content squeezed out opportunities for third-party tournaments to take place. How will the 2014 system fix this?
We plan to focus primary attention on broadcasting Premier League content and keeping those broadcasts to two days a week during each season. That leaves three weekdays open plus the weekends during WCS Premier League play for other third-party competitions to take place. Also, with more time over the year to stretch out three seasons of WCS, there will be multi-week-long breaks between Premier League play where other competitions to take place. And without any Season Finals events, more weekends are open over the course of the year for additional partner tournaments.
yo
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
November 21 2013 01:14 GMT
#254
On November 21 2013 10:00 Bowzar wrote:
So lets say a Korean wants to collect some easy money, how hard is it to get a greencard? I feel like Blizzard should help more with VISA issues. I want to see Violet again.

its pretty hard...
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
November 21 2013 01:14 GMT
#255
I really hope they do RO32 offline. Players have to commit in the regions they chose.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
pretensile
Profile Joined August 2010
135 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 01:17:02
November 21 2013 01:15 GMT
#256
There is some rampant PR gimmickry and fudged numbers at work here, which won't be obvious to anyone who doesn't investigate more deeply.

The biggest PR move is the claim that the prize pool for WCS Korea is greater than ever. Yet let us look back on GSLs of the past and compare:

For GSL Season 1 of 2013, the combined prize pool for Code S/A was 172.8 million won.

For WCS Season 1/3 of 2013, the combined prize pool was around 151 million won.

For every season of GSL after the first year (2011-2012), the combined prize pool has been 172.8 million won.

In the first year of the GSL (GSL open season 1-3 of 2010), the prize pool was nearly 200 million won for each of the three tourneys.

For 2014, each of the three GSLs will feature an "expanded" prize pool of 177 million won. So yes, technically WCS Korea now features a whopping 4.2 million won ($4,000 USD) over previous Code S/A seasons, or 26 million won ($24,600) over past WCS seasons.

However --
1) There are no longer any season finals for Koreans to compete in.
2) The very existence of OSL, and possibly even Proleague, may be in jeopardy.
3) Koreans are now technically region-locked out of other regions.
4) Three entire tourneys for the whole region is a drastic step down since the very first year of the GSL (new game, and also compensated a bit with the largest prize pools). 2011 had a grand total of seven GSLs and one super tourney. 2012 had five GSLs and one OSL. 2013 had one GSL and three WCS Koreas (two GSL, one OSL).

Anyone looking at these facts can easily see that, barring an explosion of foreigner events in 2014 (which only the most privileged Korean progamers can attend anyway), the opportunities and total prize pool for Korean gamers are actually reduced in the coming year. The only thing that's changed is that GSL is pretty much the only game in town now, and has reverted to its previous prize pool (only $4k more than previous GSLs), but far more heavily weighted at the top for the sake of appearances and publicity (70 million won for first place compared to 50 million won in the past).

If Ongamenet decided to throw a bunch of OSLs and Proleague seasons, this would change the picture dramatically, but why would they? They have their hands full with a very successful League of their own (they filled out stadiums just with the opening day of this season of Champions) and have no incentive now that they are no longer a WCS partner.
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3300 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 01:29:57
November 21 2013 01:20 GMT
#257
OGN has rights to run both StarCraft and StarCraft II tournaments alongside WCS and will be able to run WCS global events that offer WCS points.


Omg, OGN should totally do BW tournaments ><. They would probably get more of an audience in Korea, anyway.

Having said this, the WCS format changes seem overall good.

Now, Blizzard, release or PTR patch 2.1 already.
T P Z sagi
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 21 2013 01:22 GMT
#258
On November 21 2013 10:15 pretensile wrote:
There is some rampant PR gimmickry and fudged numbers at work here, which won't be obvious to anyone who doesn't investigate more deeply.

The biggest PR move is the claim that the prize pool for WCS Korea is greater than ever. Yet let us look back on GSLs of the past and compare:

For GSL Season 1 of 2013, the combined prize pool for Code S/A was 172.8 million won.

For WCS Season 1/3 of 2013, the combined prize pool was around 151 million won.

For every season of GSL after the first year (2011-2012), the combined prize pool has been 172.8 million won.

In the first year of the GSL (GSL open season 1-3 of 2010), the prize pool was nearly 200 million won for each of the three tourneys.

For 2014, each of the three GSLs will feature an "expanded" prize pool of 177 million won. So yes, technically WCS Korea now features a whopping 4.2 million won ($4,000 USD) over previous Code S/A seasons, or 26 million won ($24,600) over past WCS seasons.

However --
1) There are no longer any season finals for Koreans to compete in.
2) The very existence of OSL, and possibly even Proleague, may be in jeopardy.
3) Koreans are now technically region-locked out of other regions.
4) Three entire tourneys for the whole region is a drastic step down since the very first year of the GSL (new game, and also compensated a bit with the largest prize pools). 2011 had a grand total of seven GSLs and one super tourney. 2012 had five GSLs and one OSL. 2013 had one GSL and three WCS Koreas (two GSL, one OSL).

Anyone looking at these facts can easily see that, barring an explosion of foreigner events in 2014 (which only the most privileged Korean progamers can attend anyway), the opportunities and total prize pool for Korean gamers are actually reduced in the coming year. The only thing that's changed is that GSL is pretty much the only game in town now, and has reverted to its previous prize pool (only $4k more than previous GSLs), but far more heavily weighted at the top for the sake of appearances and publicity (70 million won for first place compared to 50 million won in the past).

If Ongamenet decided to throw a bunch of OSLs and Proleague seasons, this would change the picture dramatically, but why would they? They have their hands full with a very successful League of their own (they filled out stadiums just with the opening day of this season of Champions) and have no incentive now that they are no longer a WCS partner.

I see the light now. This man has shown me the truth of Blizzards lies. Going to burn all my hearthstone cards right after I finish uninstalling Lost Viking.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
November 21 2013 01:23 GMT
#259
I'm liking the look of this :D
Bowzar
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden741 Posts
November 21 2013 01:25 GMT
#260
On November 21 2013 10:07 Dingobloo wrote:
While this new schedule MIGHT open things up for the return of OSL, I would not hold my breath, the audience wasn't there either on TV or in person, OGN simply has no incentive to run it and with no WCS money going into it you're unlikely to see SC2 on Korean TV again which will contribute to it's further decline.

This is decent news for GSL and some players in the short term as it means a greater focus, but I fear it's going to be a struggle long term.

Montecristo (OGN caster) said that they wanted to do OSLs but they didnt want to be controlled by Blizzard.
Prev 1 11 12 13 14 15 34 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 42m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 765
UpATreeSC 190
mcanning 129
JuggernautJason45
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 2203
EffOrt 1422
Larva 964
firebathero 275
Mini 269
TY 159
PianO 54
scan(afreeca) 29
Stormgate
TKL 137
Dota 2
qojqva4885
League of Legends
Dendi1588
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K993
flusha183
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu358
Other Games
FrodaN2476
Beastyqt712
ceh9496
RotterdaM133
Skadoodle126
oskar107
elazer68
Trikslyr61
Sick55
trigger6
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2671
StarCraft 2
angryscii 32
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH180
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 21
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Nemesis5057
• TFBlade924
Other Games
• imaqtpie1966
• Shiphtur280
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
4h 42m
OSC
4h 42m
Epic.LAN
16h 42m
Big Brain Bouts
20h 42m
sebesdes vs SpeCial
Harstem vs YoungYakov
GgMaChine vs uThermal
CranKy Ducklings
1d 14h
Epic.LAN
1d 16h
CSO Contender
1d 21h
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
1d 22h
Bonyth vs Sziky
Dewalt vs Hawk
Hawk vs QiaoGege
Sziky vs Dewalt
Mihu vs Bonyth
Zhanhun vs QiaoGege
QiaoGege vs Fengzi
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Online Event
2 days
[ Show More ]
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
2 days
Bonyth vs Zhanhun
Dewalt vs Mihu
Hawk vs Sziky
Sziky vs QiaoGege
Mihu vs Hawk
Zhanhun vs Dewalt
Fengzi vs Bonyth
Esports World Cup
4 days
ByuN vs Astrea
Lambo vs HeRoMaRinE
Clem vs TBD
Solar vs Zoun
SHIN vs Reynor
Maru vs TriGGeR
herO vs Lancer
Cure vs ShoWTimE
Esports World Cup
5 days
Esports World Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

JPL Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 1
Murky Cup #2

Ongoing

BSL 2v2 Season 3
Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL20 Non-Korean Championship
Championship of Russia 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters

Upcoming

CSL Xiamen Invitational
CSL Xiamen Invitational: ShowMatche
2025 ACS Season 2
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
K-Championship
RSL Revival: Season 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
FEL Cracov 2025
Esports World Cup 2025
Underdog Cup #2
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.