• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 13:44
CET 19:44
KST 03:44
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !9Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15
StarCraft 2
General
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14! Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress
Brood War
General
Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server? Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO8 - Day 2 - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum PC Games Sales Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2135 users

WCS 2014: Partial Region Lock, GSL returns, and more - Pag…

Forum Index > SC2 General
663 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 12 13 14 15 16 34 Next All
Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
November 21 2013 01:25 GMT
#261
On November 21 2013 10:22 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 10:15 pretensile wrote:
There is some rampant PR gimmickry and fudged numbers at work here, which won't be obvious to anyone who doesn't investigate more deeply.

The biggest PR move is the claim that the prize pool for WCS Korea is greater than ever. Yet let us look back on GSLs of the past and compare:

For GSL Season 1 of 2013, the combined prize pool for Code S/A was 172.8 million won.

For WCS Season 1/3 of 2013, the combined prize pool was around 151 million won.

For every season of GSL after the first year (2011-2012), the combined prize pool has been 172.8 million won.

In the first year of the GSL (GSL open season 1-3 of 2010), the prize pool was nearly 200 million won for each of the three tourneys.

For 2014, each of the three GSLs will feature an "expanded" prize pool of 177 million won. So yes, technically WCS Korea now features a whopping 4.2 million won ($4,000 USD) over previous Code S/A seasons, or 26 million won ($24,600) over past WCS seasons.

However --
1) There are no longer any season finals for Koreans to compete in.
2) The very existence of OSL, and possibly even Proleague, may be in jeopardy.
3) Koreans are now technically region-locked out of other regions.
4) Three entire tourneys for the whole region is a drastic step down since the very first year of the GSL (new game, and also compensated a bit with the largest prize pools). 2011 had a grand total of seven GSLs and one super tourney. 2012 had five GSLs and one OSL. 2013 had one GSL and three WCS Koreas (two GSL, one OSL).

Anyone looking at these facts can easily see that, barring an explosion of foreigner events in 2014 (which only the most privileged Korean progamers can attend anyway), the opportunities and total prize pool for Korean gamers are actually reduced in the coming year. The only thing that's changed is that GSL is pretty much the only game in town now, and has reverted to its previous prize pool (only $4k more than previous GSLs), but far more heavily weighted at the top for the sake of appearances and publicity (70 million won for first place compared to 50 million won in the past).

If Ongamenet decided to throw a bunch of OSLs and Proleague seasons, this would change the picture dramatically, but why would they? They have their hands full with a very successful League of their own (they filled out stadiums just with the opening day of this season of Champions) and have no incentive now that they are no longer a WCS partner.

I see the light now. This man has shown me the truth of Blizzards lies. Going to burn all my hearthstone cards right after I finish uninstalling Lost Viking.


ya he's overdramatic but he's not wrong in any way
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12024 Posts
November 21 2013 01:25 GMT
#262
On November 21 2013 10:25 Bowzar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 10:07 Dingobloo wrote:
While this new schedule MIGHT open things up for the return of OSL, I would not hold my breath, the audience wasn't there either on TV or in person, OGN simply has no incentive to run it and with no WCS money going into it you're unlikely to see SC2 on Korean TV again which will contribute to it's further decline.

This is decent news for GSL and some players in the short term as it means a greater focus, but I fear it's going to be a struggle long term.

Montecristo (OGN caster) said that they wanted to do OSLs but they didnt want to be controlled by Blizzard.


Atleast the best thing is they'll be able to use all their own maps again and actually shake up the gameplay like old OSLs used to <33
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
Bowzar
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden741 Posts
November 21 2013 01:27 GMT
#263
On November 21 2013 10:14 Sub40APM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 10:00 Bowzar wrote:
So lets say a Korean wants to collect some easy money, how hard is it to get a greencard? I feel like Blizzard should help more with VISA issues. I want to see Violet again.

its pretty hard...

Thats what I thought. Didnt Riot fix the visas issues with their players. I remember reading about it.
suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
November 21 2013 01:28 GMT
#264
why even revive the starleague if you're just going to run it shittily for a year and then get rid of it right after
)))____◎◎◎◎█████
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 21 2013 01:28 GMT
#265
Aside from the lack of a more evenly distributed prize pool, I am ok with this
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
November 21 2013 01:30 GMT
#266
imo do WCS America in Toronto. :D
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
November 21 2013 01:35 GMT
#267
I hope new tournaments akin to RB Battlegrounds and Dreamhack replace the loss of the Season finals. I like that changes, roll on 2014!
Massive fan of Axiom eSports | Crotale#992 | Twitter: @Crot4le
ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1704 Posts
November 21 2013 01:36 GMT
#268
Holy shit,

THANK YOU BLIZZARD FOR GIVING KOREA MORE CHANCES
The higher prize pool is GREAT
•••Acer.MMA••• <> KT_Puzzle <> JinAir•GreenWings_CoCa <> CJ_herO <> Axiom CranK & Ryung <> IM_Seed <> IM_Squirtle <> le' ToD <> Innovation <> ROOT_CatZ <> inuh! <> Chobra <> SKT1_Fantasy
ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1704 Posts
November 21 2013 01:36 GMT
#269
On November 21 2013 08:19 asdfOu wrote:
and still the wcs america & eu are the same prize pool as wcs korea...


no its not?
•••Acer.MMA••• <> KT_Puzzle <> JinAir•GreenWings_CoCa <> CJ_herO <> Axiom CranK & Ryung <> IM_Seed <> IM_Squirtle <> le' ToD <> Innovation <> ROOT_CatZ <> inuh! <> Chobra <> SKT1_Fantasy
dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
November 21 2013 01:37 GMT
#270
For me, the huge and unexpected changes already knowing some stuff from Blizzcon and Mr. Chaes comments is

the gsl prize pool (huge)
And the wildcard spots (no barcodes allowed, this might change the abundance of those annoying names)
Don't let those anti-cheese advocates tell you what to do. Rush to meet life head on!
orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
November 21 2013 01:40 GMT
#271
That Korean prize pool O_O
http://youtu.be/LfmrHTdXgK4
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33502 Posts
November 21 2013 01:41 GMT
#272
On November 21 2013 10:36 ShowTheLights wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 08:19 asdfOu wrote:
and still the wcs america & eu are the same prize pool as wcs korea...


no its not?


maybe if the won plummeted in value -_-;
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
November 21 2013 01:42 GMT
#273
On November 21 2013 10:28 lichter wrote:
Aside from the lack of a more evenly distributed prize pool, I am ok with this


I'm interested to see if Korean money players like MC will return to KR.
http://youtu.be/LfmrHTdXgK4
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
November 21 2013 01:42 GMT
#274
I like it overall, even though the number of 'ladder wildcards' should have been doubled and KR should have gotten more WCS points.

GSL is back :D.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
November 21 2013 01:43 GMT
#275
On November 21 2013 08:21 calh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 07:25 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
OGN has rights to run both StarCraft and StarCraft II tournaments

I wonder...

pretensile
Profile Joined August 2010
135 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 01:47:30
November 21 2013 01:46 GMT
#276
On November 21 2013 10:36 ShowTheLights wrote:
Holy shit,

THANK YOU BLIZZARD FOR GIVING KOREA MORE CHANCES
The higher prize pool is GREAT


The total prize pool is only 4.2 million won ($4,000 USD) more than previous non-WCS GSLs. However, the champion makes 20 million won more ($19k) than previous Code S winners, and everyone outside of the top 16 makes less, especially if they are in Code A.

Also bear in mind that there are only 3 GSLs a year now, which means plenty of vacation time for Tastosis.
UpATree
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada38 Posts
November 21 2013 01:46 GMT
#277
I like the partial region lock. It's cool that there will be a ladder wild card, and that this is the only way for someone who is korean to end up in NA. The great part about this is that it forces them to play on NA server, which is good for the NA scene.
You learn only by losing to players better than yourself.
Meepman
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada610 Posts
November 21 2013 01:48 GMT
#278
*Solemn but impressed nod*
Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
November 21 2013 01:48 GMT
#279
At first I liked this, for WCS AM/EU looks nice
But then I realized we'll have only 3 GSL through the whole year? If OGN could throw 1 or 2 OSLs, it'd be nice, but I doubt they'll do any

That's not nearly enough (talking as a viewer, no looking at it from the players' side)

Don't know what to think
...
CutTheEnemy
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada373 Posts
November 21 2013 01:48 GMT
#280
Serious problem with the ladder-map requirement for WCS events. Its like they're taking extra steps to stifle map innovation.

Also, why did GSL opt for such a top-heavy prize pool? $66k for first is awesome, but everyone else gets so much less...
Can we help spread the word and create pressure to get Rob Pardo to replace Browder as head of Sc2? Pardo led the team for broodwar, frozen throne, and wow/BC. We need to make this a thing before LotV development starts. Think about it.
Prev 1 12 13 14 15 16 34 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
16:55
FSL teamleague FINALS ASHvsPTB
Freeedom34
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 333
Rex 130
ProTech128
CosmosSc2 114
SKillous 74
BRAT_OK 60
UpATreeSC 45
Vindicta 23
White-Ra 20
DivinesiaTV 11
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 1658
EffOrt 627
ggaemo 171
firebathero 158
Shuttle 118
Mong 35
EG.Machine 11
SilentControl 7
Stormgate
BeoMulf149
Dota 2
Gorgc6699
singsing3549
febbydoto15
Counter-Strike
fl0m608
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor358
Other Games
FrodaN1386
Beastyqt727
B2W.Neo535
Lowko408
hungrybox373
KnowMe245
Liquid`Hasu235
Liquid`VortiX135
Fuzer 93
QueenE88
XaKoH 69
Trikslyr68
Organizations
StarCraft 2
ComeBackTV 2070
WardiTV1344
Other Games
PGL1107
StarCraft 2
TaKeTV 795
Other Games
gamesdonequick636
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• printf 30
• HeavenSC 21
• Migwel
• sooper7s
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• blackmanpl 35
• Airneanach30
• Michael_bg 12
• Pr0nogo 1
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV644
League of Legends
• Nemesis4147
Other Games
• imaqtpie965
• Shiphtur175
Upcoming Events
Ladder Legends
16m
davetesta8
BSL 21
1h 16m
Sziky vs Dewalt
eOnzErG vs Cross
Sparkling Tuna Cup
15h 16m
Ladder Legends
22h 16m
BSL 21
1d 1h
StRyKeR vs TBD
Bonyth vs TBD
Replay Cast
1d 14h
Wardi Open
1d 17h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 22h
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Offline Finals
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.