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Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
November 21 2013 01:25 GMT
#261
On November 21 2013 10:22 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 10:15 pretensile wrote:
There is some rampant PR gimmickry and fudged numbers at work here, which won't be obvious to anyone who doesn't investigate more deeply.

The biggest PR move is the claim that the prize pool for WCS Korea is greater than ever. Yet let us look back on GSLs of the past and compare:

For GSL Season 1 of 2013, the combined prize pool for Code S/A was 172.8 million won.

For WCS Season 1/3 of 2013, the combined prize pool was around 151 million won.

For every season of GSL after the first year (2011-2012), the combined prize pool has been 172.8 million won.

In the first year of the GSL (GSL open season 1-3 of 2010), the prize pool was nearly 200 million won for each of the three tourneys.

For 2014, each of the three GSLs will feature an "expanded" prize pool of 177 million won. So yes, technically WCS Korea now features a whopping 4.2 million won ($4,000 USD) over previous Code S/A seasons, or 26 million won ($24,600) over past WCS seasons.

However --
1) There are no longer any season finals for Koreans to compete in.
2) The very existence of OSL, and possibly even Proleague, may be in jeopardy.
3) Koreans are now technically region-locked out of other regions.
4) Three entire tourneys for the whole region is a drastic step down since the very first year of the GSL (new game, and also compensated a bit with the largest prize pools). 2011 had a grand total of seven GSLs and one super tourney. 2012 had five GSLs and one OSL. 2013 had one GSL and three WCS Koreas (two GSL, one OSL).

Anyone looking at these facts can easily see that, barring an explosion of foreigner events in 2014 (which only the most privileged Korean progamers can attend anyway), the opportunities and total prize pool for Korean gamers are actually reduced in the coming year. The only thing that's changed is that GSL is pretty much the only game in town now, and has reverted to its previous prize pool (only $4k more than previous GSLs), but far more heavily weighted at the top for the sake of appearances and publicity (70 million won for first place compared to 50 million won in the past).

If Ongamenet decided to throw a bunch of OSLs and Proleague seasons, this would change the picture dramatically, but why would they? They have their hands full with a very successful League of their own (they filled out stadiums just with the opening day of this season of Champions) and have no incentive now that they are no longer a WCS partner.

I see the light now. This man has shown me the truth of Blizzards lies. Going to burn all my hearthstone cards right after I finish uninstalling Lost Viking.


ya he's overdramatic but he's not wrong in any way
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12033 Posts
November 21 2013 01:25 GMT
#262
On November 21 2013 10:25 Bowzar wrote:
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On November 21 2013 10:07 Dingobloo wrote:
While this new schedule MIGHT open things up for the return of OSL, I would not hold my breath, the audience wasn't there either on TV or in person, OGN simply has no incentive to run it and with no WCS money going into it you're unlikely to see SC2 on Korean TV again which will contribute to it's further decline.

This is decent news for GSL and some players in the short term as it means a greater focus, but I fear it's going to be a struggle long term.

Montecristo (OGN caster) said that they wanted to do OSLs but they didnt want to be controlled by Blizzard.


Atleast the best thing is they'll be able to use all their own maps again and actually shake up the gameplay like old OSLs used to <33
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Bowzar
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden741 Posts
November 21 2013 01:27 GMT
#263
On November 21 2013 10:14 Sub40APM wrote:
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On November 21 2013 10:00 Bowzar wrote:
So lets say a Korean wants to collect some easy money, how hard is it to get a greencard? I feel like Blizzard should help more with VISA issues. I want to see Violet again.

its pretty hard...

Thats what I thought. Didnt Riot fix the visas issues with their players. I remember reading about it.
suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
November 21 2013 01:28 GMT
#264
why even revive the starleague if you're just going to run it shittily for a year and then get rid of it right after
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 21 2013 01:28 GMT
#265
Aside from the lack of a more evenly distributed prize pool, I am ok with this
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mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
November 21 2013 01:30 GMT
#266
imo do WCS America in Toronto. :D
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Crot4le
Profile Joined June 2013
England2927 Posts
November 21 2013 01:35 GMT
#267
I hope new tournaments akin to RB Battlegrounds and Dreamhack replace the loss of the Season finals. I like that changes, roll on 2014!
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ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1710 Posts
November 21 2013 01:36 GMT
#268
Holy shit,

THANK YOU BLIZZARD FOR GIVING KOREA MORE CHANCES
The higher prize pool is GREAT
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ShowTheLights
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Korea (South)1710 Posts
November 21 2013 01:36 GMT
#269
On November 21 2013 08:19 asdfOu wrote:
and still the wcs america & eu are the same prize pool as wcs korea...


no its not?
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dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
November 21 2013 01:37 GMT
#270
For me, the huge and unexpected changes already knowing some stuff from Blizzcon and Mr. Chaes comments is

the gsl prize pool (huge)
And the wildcard spots (no barcodes allowed, this might change the abundance of those annoying names)
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orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
November 21 2013 01:40 GMT
#271
That Korean prize pool O_O
http://youtu.be/LfmrHTdXgK4
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33596 Posts
November 21 2013 01:41 GMT
#272
On November 21 2013 10:36 ShowTheLights wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 08:19 asdfOu wrote:
and still the wcs america & eu are the same prize pool as wcs korea...


no its not?


maybe if the won plummeted in value -_-;
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orvinreyes
Profile Joined June 2007
577 Posts
November 21 2013 01:42 GMT
#273
On November 21 2013 10:28 lichter wrote:
Aside from the lack of a more evenly distributed prize pool, I am ok with this


I'm interested to see if Korean money players like MC will return to KR.
http://youtu.be/LfmrHTdXgK4
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
November 21 2013 01:42 GMT
#274
I like it overall, even though the number of 'ladder wildcards' should have been doubled and KR should have gotten more WCS points.

GSL is back :D.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12970 Posts
November 21 2013 01:43 GMT
#275
On November 21 2013 08:21 calh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 07:25 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
OGN has rights to run both StarCraft and StarCraft II tournaments

I wonder...

pretensile
Profile Joined August 2010
135 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 01:47:30
November 21 2013 01:46 GMT
#276
On November 21 2013 10:36 ShowTheLights wrote:
Holy shit,

THANK YOU BLIZZARD FOR GIVING KOREA MORE CHANCES
The higher prize pool is GREAT


The total prize pool is only 4.2 million won ($4,000 USD) more than previous non-WCS GSLs. However, the champion makes 20 million won more ($19k) than previous Code S winners, and everyone outside of the top 16 makes less, especially if they are in Code A.

Also bear in mind that there are only 3 GSLs a year now, which means plenty of vacation time for Tastosis.
UpATree
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada38 Posts
November 21 2013 01:46 GMT
#277
I like the partial region lock. It's cool that there will be a ladder wild card, and that this is the only way for someone who is korean to end up in NA. The great part about this is that it forces them to play on NA server, which is good for the NA scene.
You learn only by losing to players better than yourself.
Meepman
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada610 Posts
November 21 2013 01:48 GMT
#278
*Solemn but impressed nod*
Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
November 21 2013 01:48 GMT
#279
At first I liked this, for WCS AM/EU looks nice
But then I realized we'll have only 3 GSL through the whole year? If OGN could throw 1 or 2 OSLs, it'd be nice, but I doubt they'll do any

That's not nearly enough (talking as a viewer, no looking at it from the players' side)

Don't know what to think
...
CutTheEnemy
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada373 Posts
November 21 2013 01:48 GMT
#280
Serious problem with the ladder-map requirement for WCS events. Its like they're taking extra steps to stifle map innovation.

Also, why did GSL opt for such a top-heavy prize pool? $66k for first is awesome, but everyone else gets so much less...
Can we help spread the word and create pressure to get Rob Pardo to replace Browder as head of Sc2? Pardo led the team for broodwar, frozen throne, and wow/BC. We need to make this a thing before LotV development starts. Think about it.
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