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Pirfiktshon
Profile Joined June 2013
United States1072 Posts
November 14 2013 13:38 GMT
#1261
To be Honest I'm just going to say it here and now. I'm OK with them buffing the oracle or buffing PRotoss in General but if you start buffing one race and Nerf another when the match up is already balanced you are just tipping the scales.......... I think we shouldn't touch protoss from here on out but mess with buffing Terran and Zerg to match protoss. I feel like they are in a game of their own like the "Power Overwhelming" cheat where everything is just worlds more fun and more rewarding. Not saying you can be horrible and beat good players just saying Protoss feels the way Terran and Zerg should feel rewarding for good play.

As Terran all you get for good play is a feeling that you stayed alive to fight another day.........
As zerg you feel like you have yet another chance to snowball to try your hardest to overcome your opponent with sheer numbers.......
Firkraag8
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1006 Posts
November 14 2013 14:30 GMT
#1262
How about removing e-bay requirement for turrets? We're facing the same problems that Zerg did when they had their evo chamber requirement removed.
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44281 Posts
November 14 2013 14:40 GMT
#1263
On November 14 2013 23:30 Firkraag8 wrote:
How about removing e-bay requirement for turrets? We're facing the same problems that Zerg did when they had their evo chamber requirement removed.

or make turrets more cheaper like in BW
this is a quote
10bulgares
Profile Joined September 2013
352 Posts
November 14 2013 14:45 GMT
#1264
On November 14 2013 23:30 Firkraag8 wrote:
How about removing e-bay requirement for turrets? We're facing the same problems that Zerg did when they had their evo chamber requirement removed.

Did you really face a problem with the new oracle? What was the problem with zergs?
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12043 Posts
November 14 2013 14:51 GMT
#1265
I'm not even sure why they put that spore buff in the game. I can't even remember anymore.
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mau5mat
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Northern Ireland461 Posts
November 14 2013 14:53 GMT
#1266
Anyone else see a similarity between what the MsC's impact on TvP is, and what the Queen Patch's impact on TvZ was?
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
November 14 2013 14:53 GMT
#1267
On November 14 2013 23:51 Qikz wrote:
I'm not even sure why they put that spore buff in the game. I can't even remember anymore.


widow mines. Zerg needs early detection possibilities against widow mine rushes.
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-14 15:04:17
November 14 2013 14:53 GMT
#1268
On November 14 2013 23:30 Firkraag8 wrote:
How about removing e-bay requirement for turrets? We're facing the same problems that Zerg did when they had their evo chamber requirement removed.

You have as early anti-air:
- widow mines
- marines
- rocket turrets

Zergs:
- queens
- spores

Don't forget about rocket turret upgrades
TurboMaN
Profile Joined October 2005
Germany925 Posts
November 14 2013 14:58 GMT
#1269
On November 14 2013 23:53 Existor wrote:
You have as early anti-air:
- widow mines
- marines
- rocket turrets

Zergs:
- queens
- spores

Don't forget about rocket turrte upgrades


The Problem is that you can't predict what a Protoss is doing.
He can either do a proxy oracle build or he can do any other allin.

As a Terran you are behind when you not play the right counter.
Protoss on the other hand has a MSC which makes him safe vs every Terran opener.

Protoss dominates the early and the late game right now and Terran has only a slight window mid game but only if he doesn't screw up the early game defense.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
November 14 2013 15:00 GMT
#1270
On November 14 2013 21:22 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 21:16 Tresher wrote:
Oh and all the complaining and such: I would rather read some first Impressions about the new changes from my Terran brothers especially for Mech.


It's better. And still not good enough to be playable. Especially not in TvP, but it's also still bad in TvZ either.

Yeah, this. As long as the Tank vs Viper relation, the Tank vs Protoss ground relation and the Tempest are not fixed, mech will remain marginal.
Pirfiktshon
Profile Joined June 2013
United States1072 Posts
November 14 2013 15:02 GMT
#1271
You can't go blind Counters as some people are suggesting in TvP......... You prepare for a Stargate Oracle every game you are just going to get meta d with a Blink stalker all in whats a Turret going to do vses Stalkers?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 14 2013 15:02 GMT
#1272
On November 14 2013 23:58 TurboMaN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 23:53 Existor wrote:
You have as early anti-air:
- widow mines
- marines
- rocket turrets

Zergs:
- queens
- spores

Don't forget about rocket turrte upgrades


The Problem is that you can't predict what a Protoss is doing.
He can either do a proxy oracle build or he can do any other allin.

As a Terran you are behind when you not play the right counter.
Protoss on the other hand has a MSC which makes him safe vs every Terran opener.

Protoss dominates the early and the late game right now and Terran has only a slight window mid game but only if he doesn't screw up the early game defense.

As a Protoss who must play against other Protoss players, scouting proxies is an important skill for all races. It is always worth the lost mining time.
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Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
November 14 2013 15:05 GMT
#1273
The Problem is that you can't predict what a Protoss is doing.
He can either do a proxy oracle build or he can do any other allin.

Use reaper-scouting
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
November 14 2013 15:09 GMT
#1274
On November 15 2013 00:05 Existor wrote:
Show nested quote +
The Problem is that you can't predict what a Protoss is doing.
He can either do a proxy oracle build or he can do any other allin.

Use reaper-scouting


they are not air units you know? it´s kinda predictable which way they are going. They don´t have 200HP either, so they are dead, if they are spotted and still try to go in. They are not Overlords my friend.
RampancyTW
Profile Joined August 2010
United States577 Posts
November 14 2013 15:09 GMT
#1275
On November 14 2013 23:53 Existor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 23:30 Firkraag8 wrote:
How about removing e-bay requirement for turrets? We're facing the same problems that Zerg did when they had their evo chamber requirement removed.

You have as early anti-air:
- widow mines
- marines
- rocket turrets

Zergs:
- queens
- spores

Don't forget about rocket turret upgrades
Can't stop the rocket turret
Pirfiktshon
Profile Joined June 2013
United States1072 Posts
November 14 2013 15:19 GMT
#1276
If you open Reaper first with Reactor vses a Proxy Oracle its mathematically impossible to get enough marines out to fight it..... If you do scout it you have to put down a Bunker in your main / Maynard your Nat workers to your main until you can get enough marines out to break the what is essentially a Contain...... and Place your Barax in a way that its close enough to your Bunker that the Oracles just can't Rape your marines that are being made..............
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-14 15:22:26
November 14 2013 15:20 GMT
#1277
On November 15 2013 00:09 TeeTS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 00:05 Existor wrote:
The Problem is that you can't predict what a Protoss is doing.
He can either do a proxy oracle build or he can do any other allin.

Use reaper-scouting


they are not air units you know? it´s kinda predictable which way they are going. They don´t have 200HP either, so they are dead, if they are spotted and still try to go in. They are not Overlords my friend.

They can spot for proxies, they are fast and can regenerate. It's way better than overlords to check proxies.

If you open Reaper first with Reactor vses a Proxy Oracle its mathematically impossible to get enough marines out to fight it

Why? Reactor-marines aren't more marines? Plus you can make 2 widow mines at time if switch addon for factory

Oracles just can't Rape your marines that are being made

The main point is that they waste their energy-timed weapon on marines rather than mules/workers.
gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2651 Posts
November 14 2013 15:24 GMT
#1278
On November 15 2013 00:20 Existor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 00:09 TeeTS wrote:
On November 15 2013 00:05 Existor wrote:
The Problem is that you can't predict what a Protoss is doing.
He can either do a proxy oracle build or he can do any other allin.

Use reaper-scouting


they are not air units you know? it´s kinda predictable which way they are going. They don´t have 200HP either, so they are dead, if they are spotted and still try to go in. They are not Overlords my friend.

They can spot for proxies, they are fast and can regenerate. It's way better than overlords to check proxies.

Show nested quote +
If you open Reaper first with Reactor vses a Proxy Oracle its mathematically impossible to get enough marines out to fight it

Why? Reactor-marines aren't more marines? Plus you can make 2 widow mines at time if switch addon for factory

Show nested quote +
Oracles just can't Rape your marines that are being made

The main point is that they waste their energy-timed weapon on marines rather than mules/workers.



So then some stalkers/zealots can kill the rest while all your marines are gone.

One crossed wire, one wayward pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch...and kablooie!
FirstGear
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia185 Posts
November 14 2013 15:25 GMT
#1279
I'm actually really enjoying merged air and mech upgrades late game. Makes my compositions way more interesting and my transitions much smoother.
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
November 14 2013 15:25 GMT
#1280
On November 15 2013 00:20 Existor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 00:09 TeeTS wrote:
On November 15 2013 00:05 Existor wrote:
The Problem is that you can't predict what a Protoss is doing.
He can either do a proxy oracle build or he can do any other allin.

Use reaper-scouting


they are not air units you know? it´s kinda predictable which way they are going. They don´t have 200HP either, so they are dead, if they are spotted and still try to go in. They are not Overlords my friend.

They can spot for proxies, they are fast and can regenerate. It's way better than overlords to check proxies.

Show nested quote +
If you open Reaper first with Reactor vses a Proxy Oracle its mathematically impossible to get enough marines out to fight it

Why? Reactor-marines aren't more marines? Plus you can make 2 widow mines at time if switch addon for factory

Show nested quote +
Oracles just can't Rape your marines that are being made

The main point is that they waste their energy-timed weapon on marines rather than mules/workers.


Ok, you are right. Your experience of thounsands of games playing terran is shining through and makes us newbs look dumb. Thank you for sharing your great wisdom with us poor fools!
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