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On November 11 2013 04:07 Crackpot wrote:
RIP SC2?
Is it just me or anyone else thinks that StarCraft 2 looses credibility? I mean, this year we had like 4 different "best players",.. how could that be ? To be honest, I dont think SOS is THE best player right now, I think everyone else of the participants (with few exceptions) could have won the global finals. From now on SOS will fall just like every other "major tournament"-winner,.. because like all the other champions (besides Innovation in Season 1) noone truely was THE BEST.
what does that mean? -->If more and more different players win major tournaments,winning a tournament seems to become more and more worthless, because everyone can win it, you don't have to be the very best.
Is it Blizzards "we patch everything" - mentality ?
Or just "normal" because HotS isn't even a year old?
I have no idea, but its not good for the sport.
Did you watch the games? Because they were amazing.
I agree that it would be nice to get some more consistent winners for better storylines, but the fact is that sOs played the best Starcraft this weekend. Not because of game design or balance or Blizzard or anything else you want to blame it on.
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On November 11 2013 04:30 Faruko wrote:
Finally a player plays Protoss with its "full" potential and the community bashes him... SC2 its losing ground not because sOs beat JD with clever gameplay mechanics and tactics, and outsmarting him to the point of making JD looking like a fool falling each and every time in sOs plan, but because the community wants every match to be "do not chesee --> turtle for 30 minutes with harras to get a little edge --> deathball --> fight"
This is getting silly, nobody said ANYTHING when JD baneling busted Maru 2 (or was 3?) games in a row, because it was "The Dong", but suddenly comes a player, that TL defines as a "faceless korean" which actually shows how much does some people know about SC2 (watch Proleague, please...), and put JD to shame with his mind games and unorthodox play style and now everything is "SC2 is dead, RIP SC2, JD SOOO MUCH BETTER"
If i were playing for a 100k i would do everything in my power to win, and so will everyone
Blame every single caster, personality and host for not being able to create enough hype for every player.
Go back two weeks(?) to the Season Finals in Toronto, every player got cheered for it was epic.
Meanwhile at Blizzcon it was the standard " I'm only going to cheer for my favorite player and no one else".
The crowd reactions when Jaekong defended/attacked something was night and day when compared to sOs, it was the good guy vs that evil bosses little brother and the casters even if they tried at times got carried away sadly.
Blizzard tried with the quick tournament recap for the players but that was the end, even at the analystdesk it was Jaedong..Jaedong.....oh yeah and Jaedong.
I wonder how many times we'll have to repeat it to have change.
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So sorry for the big JD. sOo may have won, but he played like shit. Gave my eyes cancer :/
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Great games to watch. I love watching PvZ. It feels like the most undeveloped matchup so people are willing to try new things in it.
Gratz to sOs on winning! I'm sure Jaedong will win something sooner or later. This will just be gasoline on his already bright fire
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Game 1 felt like JD should have went to an absurd amount of drones when he was on 5 base. Use his big army/advantage to mine LOTS of minerals and then transform into spine crawlers. This way he delays push, also gets a 5k/5k bank instead of 2k/2k. At a time when protoss was struggling to get up a 4th and he was comfortably on 5 bases, it might have given him the necessary edge in game 1.
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On November 11 2013 04:41 Tobblish wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 04:30 Faruko wrote:
Finally a player plays Protoss with its "full" potential and the community bashes him... SC2 its losing ground not because sOs beat JD with clever gameplay mechanics and tactics, and outsmarting him to the point of making JD looking like a fool falling each and every time in sOs plan, but because the community wants every match to be "do not chesee --> turtle for 30 minutes with harras to get a little edge --> deathball --> fight"
This is getting silly, nobody said ANYTHING when JD baneling busted Maru 2 (or was 3?) games in a row, because it was "The Dong", but suddenly comes a player, that TL defines as a "faceless korean" which actually shows how much does some people know about SC2 (watch Proleague, please...), and put JD to shame with his mind games and unorthodox play style and now everything is "SC2 is dead, RIP SC2, JD SOOO MUCH BETTER"
If i were playing for a 100k i would do everything in my power to win, and so will everyone Blame every single caster, personality and host for not being able to create enough hype for every player. Go back two weeks(?) to the Season Finals in Toronto, every player got cheered for it was epic. Meanwhile at Blizzcon it was the standard " I'm only going to cheer for my favorite player and no one else". The crowd reactions when Jaekong defended/attacked something was night and day when compared to sOs, it was the good guy vs that evil bosses little brother and the casters even if they tried at times got carried away sadly. Blizzard tried with the quick tournament recap for the players but that was the end, even at the analystdesk it was Jaedong..Jaedong.....oh yeah and Jaedong. I wonder how many times we'll have to repeat it to have change.
Oh yes such a shame that people wanted jaedong to win and cheered for him instead of his opponent.
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As much as I wanted to see Jaedong get that Trophy or even Bomber cuz Bomber,,,,, sOs played beautifully. Not as memorable as Nestea vs Mvp in 2011 Blizzcon, this final was stilll very good. Do not regret watching
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What's the best team in soccer?
In all of history? Impossible to indicate one, but three is an easy choice: Brasil, Germany and Italy. And the same would (and should!) apply to SC2, I think. A select few who dominate tournaments and then a small group of highly skilled players who want to make themselves members of said select few either by joining it or ousting and replacing one of the current members.
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toss race abused at his finest ._.
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I watched the finals for JD and JD only...so I wasn't too happy about the result. JD losing = I am old. At any rate, sOs just plain outplayed JD on every level. It was sad to watch.
Given the skill that sOs showed, I do not think that it would have made a difference but I think that the organizers of the tournament made an egregious mistake that tilted the odds against JD. Because the final round was played soon after the second semi-final was finished, sOs had more time to calm his nerves and prepare with his entourage for the winner of Maru-JD. The supposedly less prestigious WCS Korea finals always scheduled the final round a couple days after the semi-finals ended. The match scheduling at the Blizzcon made it feel more like an event tournament than a serious sporting event. The only saving grace was that the prize pool was large and the participants were world-class players. They deserved the kind of playing schedule that would allow them to have the level of preparation they would have for the OSL.
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It seemed to me they gave players 5 minute breaks every 2 matches. I would expect at least 1 hour between the semis and finals. Did JD not get 1 hour?
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i'm watching game 2 again. i feel JD mismicroed the first two drones at the scene of the cannon rush. they went inside instead of trying to prevent the probe from sealing the top region. clever sos.
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With all the respect towards sOs, it was about the best player of the year. And for me sOs was not the best player of the year. How can you say that? He deserved the win against Jaedong absolutly, because of his beautiful play. And he definetly deserves more than he achieved until this weekend. But #1? - Come on. It's not even about beeing a JD- or another players fanboy. It just feels like greece winning world championship in football - not at all what you would expect 
Overall the wcs produced some of the most amazing games and upsets over the year. It showed us that with all the god-like players out there your success can be diminished within a few months time. It showed us the faces of incredible players we didn't know about last year, (probably), like duckdeok, Dear, Maru, Trap,... and innovative strategies executed perfectly from the likes of Dear and sOs, machinelike Macro from Bomber and Innovation, entertainment factor from MC and the hope that Spider-Hyun will make it to Blizzcon 2014 in a funny outfit!
I loved it :D
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On November 11 2013 05:11 skatblast wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2013 04:41 Tobblish wrote:On November 11 2013 04:30 Faruko wrote:
Finally a player plays Protoss with its "full" potential and the community bashes him... SC2 its losing ground not because sOs beat JD with clever gameplay mechanics and tactics, and outsmarting him to the point of making JD looking like a fool falling each and every time in sOs plan, but because the community wants every match to be "do not chesee --> turtle for 30 minutes with harras to get a little edge --> deathball --> fight"
This is getting silly, nobody said ANYTHING when JD baneling busted Maru 2 (or was 3?) games in a row, because it was "The Dong", but suddenly comes a player, that TL defines as a "faceless korean" which actually shows how much does some people know about SC2 (watch Proleague, please...), and put JD to shame with his mind games and unorthodox play style and now everything is "SC2 is dead, RIP SC2, JD SOOO MUCH BETTER"
If i were playing for a 100k i would do everything in my power to win, and so will everyone Blame every single caster, personality and host for not being able to create enough hype for every player. Go back two weeks(?) to the Season Finals in Toronto, every player got cheered for it was epic. Meanwhile at Blizzcon it was the standard " I'm only going to cheer for my favorite player and no one else". The crowd reactions when Jaekong defended/attacked something was night and day when compared to sOs, it was the good guy vs that evil bosses little brother and the casters even if they tried at times got carried away sadly. Blizzard tried with the quick tournament recap for the players but that was the end, even at the analystdesk it was Jaedong..Jaedong.....oh yeah and Jaedong. I wonder how many times we'll have to repeat it to have change. Oh yes such a shame that people wanted jaedong to win and cheered for him instead of his opponent.
I dont care about the crowd, people can cheer for whatever player they want... but i have problems with the casters, host, etc... they should be COMPLETELY unbiased and impartial, and this clearly wasnt the case.
Everyone is watching this, not just JD fans... THATS the problem
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On November 11 2013 04:30 Faruko wrote:
Finally a player plays Protoss with its "full" potential and the community bashes him... SC2 its losing ground not because sOs beat JD with clever gameplay mechanics and tactics, and outsmarting him to the point of making JD looking like a fool falling each and every time in sOs plan, but because the community wants every match to be "do not chesee --> turtle for 30 minutes with harras to get a little edge --> deathball --> fight"
This is getting silly, nobody said ANYTHING when JD baneling busted Maru 2 (or was 3?) games in a row, because it was "The Dong", but suddenly comes a player, that TL defines as a "faceless korean" which actually shows how much does some people know about SC2 (watch Proleague, please...), and put JD to shame with his mind games and unorthodox play style and now everything is "SC2 is dead, RIP SC2, JD SOOO MUCH BETTER"
If i were playing for a 100k i would do everything in my power to win, and so will everyone
People dislike the cannon rush cheese because it is so easy to do and has such a huge impact, and it isnt really scoutable. You just have to blindly counter it, which costs you minerals and him nothing. If there weren't cheese spots behind minerals nobody would care. People also feel a bit cheated since in 3 (4?) of the games sOs did some kind of hidden cheese.
Yes, it is him playing to win... but whenever something is lopsided against our favorite we dislike it. People dont like one round boxing matches, it is no different here.
JD shouldve played a lot better, I dont know what he was thinking. Ultralisks on akilon is dumb. Base trading with ultralisks on akilon is horrendous. Why did he not follow the probe with a drone to stop cannon rush on game 2? It just really felt like he couldve done a lot better.
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man, those two cannons at bottom mid near the end of game 2, so genius by SoS. perfect cover to support a forward pylon position, cover his zealots against lings and cover his phoenix against corruptors.
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haha.. thanks.. and epic .gif btw.
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I'll admit I was also rooting for Jaedong, but damn sOs played brilliantly and deserves mad respect. Well done sOs.
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good omen for sc2. legend of the fall continues.
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