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ADD NaNiWa - King in the north ffs!
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On November 08 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 21:28 MuMeise wrote:On November 08 2013 20:15 hansonslee wrote:Here's my take on NaNiwa: I was about to make a thread, but I did not want to create a scene, so I will post my article here! Naniwa: "There's No Greater Price and Reward Than Victory!"+ Show Spoiler +Note: I understand that Zealously has written an article about him, but sadly, unlike his past articles, that article has exhibited poor quality in terms of depiction of NaNiwa. The points that article are true; however, it's the omission of other important facts that creates a very skewed picture of NaNiwa. I understand that I am not a TL writer. However, some people were eager to hear how the TL would treat NaNiwa, and these people especially NaNiwa deserve better. A lot of harsh criticism has compelled me to write an article about NaNiwa to cater to those who felt unsatisfied. If I have offended anyone, I greatly apologize. There is more to NaNiwa than being the "foreign hope" of BlizzCon. He represents many other archetypes that cannot be simply listed. When Starcraft 2 was at its infancy, NaNiwa was notorious for being a dangerous 1 base cheeser with a very obnoxious attitude. Such behavior has forced NaNiwa to exhibit commitment issues with different teams. But then, when MLG Dallas 2011 was looming in the corner, the State of the Game hosts such as Nony saw NaNiwa's play on stream and quivered in fear. How can this random kid be so good? Even with his clean victory in MLG Dallas 2011, NaNiwa was not satisfied with his victory, and the Koreans were next on his hit list. When MLG Providence arrived, NaNiwa defeated the two Incredible Miracle kings of Liberty Mvp and Nestea. Due to NaNiwa's impressive play that placed him 2nd against Leenock, GOMtv has decided to invite him Blizzard Cup. However, every glorious victory comes at a price. NaNiwa's obsessive ambition to win has cemented his downfall time to time. When he had no chance of advancing from the group stages, NaNiwa decided to insult his integrity by probe rushing against Nestea. People were shocked not only because of NaNiwa's blatant disrespect of his opponent but also because of how the anticipated rivalry between Nestea and NaNiwa had an extremely anti-climatic ending. In addition to NaNiwa's bad sportsmanship, NaNiwa might have developed some sort of overconfidence resulting from his bounty kills of famous Koreans and paid the price. NaNiwa had an extreme grudge against the Zerg match up and dismissed a lot of the Zerg players he lost against for playing an "OP race". This mentality has compelled NaNiwa to underestimate his Zerg opponents and lost when he was considered to be the heavy favorite. NaNiwa also has shown some stubbornness in some of his games. He sometimes would scout late and lose to Mvp's and Flash's 1 base cheese. His mantra "Forge Fast Expand or Die", which was considered to be his favorite build, was also exploited when he played against Leenock. In a sense, Bane would be correct to say to NaNiwa that "victory has defeated you". --- Despite the costs of his toxic mentality, NaNiwa was still an inspiring figure to some people not just because he beats Koreans, but because NaNiwa wanted to win despite all odds against him. Unlike EG legends like HuK, Idra, Stephano, and ThorZain, NaNiwa continued to train in Korea and change up his playstyle whenever he needed to. Throughout his WCS journey, NaNiwa has shown a diverse set of builds with crisp execution. For example, NaNiwa's void ray composition is considered unthinkable against the Zerg's hydralisk composition. Yet, NaNiwa makes it work and has introduced Void Rays as a versatile unit and less of a corruptor buster. Since NaNiwa is not much of a socializer, we can assume that such extraordinary gameplay comes from NaNiwa's dedication and determination to win, which rivals to those of his Korean counterparts. Furthermore, NaNiwa's strength is to his ability to analyze his players and come up with different tactics to show us memorable games. For example, in his recent games against Hyun, NaNiwa has opened a cheese against Hyun in the ace match. The reason for his decision was NaNiwa wanted to use a different build order to punish Hyun's greedy playstyle, which NaNiwa guessed correctly. This depth of analysis reminds us of how foreigners like Stephano can become clutch players and make epic comebacks against massive deficits. Finally, his chances of getting into BlizzCon epitomize how NaNiwa is the player who dares to challenges against all odds. When NaNiwa lost disgracefully against Targa, his chances to BlizzCon were slim. Even, the Starcraft 2 community believed that NaNiwa should place well in Dreamhack Bucharest and IEM New York to secure his spot. However, instead of rushing for the points, NaNiwa ditch Dreamhack and carefully and intensively prepared for his IEM New York. This sacrifice earned him second place, which did not give him the amount of points to stay on the safe zone. However, it seems that the stars smiled upon NaNiwa's diligence and granted him the opportunity to prove himself against Revival. NaNiwa did not disappoint and crushed Revival with constant two base aggression, which demonstrates his flexibility as a player. As seen from his journey from the Wings of Liberty to the BlizzCon, it is not enough to depict NaNiwa as the foreign hope. NaNiwa is hope! With a tarnished resume displaying his unprofessional behavior and occasional mediocre play, NaNiwa has achieved the unthinkable by storming tournaments with miraculous victories and finally found an Alliance that would welcome him with open arms and maintain his relevance in the progaming scene. As of now, we see that NaNiwa has began to exhibit a better attitude and approach to the game. Although the winning mentality has mortally cursed NaNiwa, that same spell has empowered NaNiwa to become the very reason to perhaps hope that he will realize the ultimate rewards of absolute victory. This is a preview I can live with actually, much better written. Has the pros and cons and talks about his SC2 achievements.. could someone please replace the orginal article? thanks No, it won't be replaced. If you liked something else better, why not?
You know you seem offended... you should not be... the thing is that all articles except the one for naniwa try also to focus on the "good" of the person while not leaving the bad habbits out...
the naniwa article is mainly focusing on bad habbits. The article above actually reflects on both sides of the coin while, and this is my problem with the original article, talking about his way to blizcon, which also the original article should have been about.
I am by no means a naniwa fanboy, I just want that every player is seen in the same light.
You know also taeja has bad habbits.. there is no talk AT ALL about them. He is extremly biased vs. other races and balance etc. etc.
Also I want to see the article about Polt... Polt is someone that is extremely BM about other players on the stage... not only naniwa but almost everyone...
I wonder if the articles will soley focus on this site of Polt...
They should not.. and neither should the original article...
It's just bad in every terms of journalism and writing. You should be a bit more objective when writing this stuff... sorry
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On November 08 2013 21:36 Ohforfsake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 21:29 coloursheep wrote:On November 08 2013 21:18 Siphonn wrote:On November 08 2013 21:11 coloursheep wrote:On November 08 2013 21:00 hansonslee wrote:On November 08 2013 20:57 coloursheep wrote:On November 08 2013 20:49 hansonslee wrote:On November 08 2013 20:44 coloursheep wrote:On November 08 2013 20:15 hansonslee wrote:Here's my take on NaNiwa: I was about to make a thread, but I did not want to create a scene, so I will post my article here! Naniwa: "There's No Greater Price and Reward Than Victory!"+ Show Spoiler +Note: I understand that Zealously has written an article about him, but sadly, unlike his past articles, that article has exhibited poor quality in terms of depiction of NaNiwa. The points that article are true; however, it's the omission of other important facts that creates a very skewed picture of NaNiwa. I understand that I am not a TL writer. However, some people were eager to hear how the TL would treat NaNiwa, and these people especially NaNiwa deserve better. A lot of harsh criticism has compelled me to write an article about NaNiwa to cater to those who felt unsatisfied. If I have offended anyone, I greatly apologize. There is more to NaNiwa than being the "foreign hope" of BlizzCon. He represents many other archetypes that cannot be simply listed. When Starcraft 2 was at its infancy, NaNiwa was notorious for being a dangerous 1 base cheeser with a very obnoxious attitude. Such behavior has forced NaNiwa to exhibit commitment issues with different teams. But then, when MLG Dallas 2011 was looming in the corner, the State of the Game hosts such as Nony saw NaNiwa's play on stream and quivered in fear. How can this random kid be so good? Even with his clean victory in MLG Dallas 2011, NaNiwa was not satisfied with his victory, and the Koreans were next on his hit list. When MLG Providence arrived, NaNiwa defeated the two Incredible Miracle kings of Liberty Mvp and Nestea. Due to NaNiwa's impressive play that placed him 2nd against Leenock, GOMtv has decided to invite him Blizzard Cup. However, every glorious victory comes at a price. NaNiwa's obsessive ambition to win has cemented his downfall time to time. When he had no chance of advancing from the group stages, NaNiwa decided to insult his integrity by probe rushing against Nestea. People were shocked not only because of NaNiwa's blatant disrespect of his opponent but also because of how the anticipated rivalry between Nestea and NaNiwa had an extremely anti-climatic ending. In addition to NaNiwa's bad sportsmanship, NaNiwa might have developed some sort of overconfidence resulting from his bounty kills of famous Koreans and paid the price. NaNiwa had an extreme grudge against the Zerg match up and dismissed a lot of the Zerg players he lost against for playing an "OP race". This mentality has compelled NaNiwa to underestimate his Zerg opponents and lost when he was considered to be the heavy favorite. NaNiwa also has shown some stubbornness in some of his games. He sometimes would scout late and lose to Mvp's and Flash's 1 base cheese. His mantra "Forge Fast Expand or Die", which was considered to be his favorite build, was also exploited when he played against Leenock. In a sense, Bane would be correct to say to NaNiwa that "victory has defeated you". --- Despite the costs of his toxic mentality, NaNiwa was still an inspiring figure to some people not just because he beats Koreans, but because NaNiwa wanted to win despite all odds against him. Unlike EG legends like HuK, Idra, Stephano, and ThorZain, NaNiwa continued to train in Korea and change up his playstyle whenever he needed to. Throughout his WCS journey, NaNiwa has shown a diverse set of builds with crisp execution. For example, NaNiwa's void ray composition is considered unthinkable against the Zerg's hydralisk composition. Yet, NaNiwa makes it work and has introduced Void Rays as a versatile unit and less of a corruptor buster. Since NaNiwa is not much of a socializer, we can assume that such extraordinary gameplay comes from NaNiwa's dedication and determination to win, which rivals to those of his Korean counterparts. Furthermore, NaNiwa's strength is to his ability to analyze his players and come up with different tactics to show us memorable games. For example, in his recent games against Hyun, NaNiwa has opened a cheese against Hyun in the ace match. The reason for his decision was NaNiwa wanted to use a different build order to punish Hyun's greedy playstyle, which NaNiwa guessed correctly. This depth of analysis reminds us of how foreigners like Stephano can become clutch players and make epic comebacks against massive deficits. Finally, his chances of getting into BlizzCon epitomize how NaNiwa is the player who dares to challenges against all odds. When NaNiwa lost disgracefully against Targa, his chances to BlizzCon were slim. Even, the Starcraft 2 community believed that NaNiwa should place well in Dreamhack Bucharest and IEM New York to secure his spot. However, instead of rushing for the points, NaNiwa ditch Dreamhack and carefully and intensively prepared for his IEM New York. This sacrifice earned him second place, which did not give him the amount of points to stay on the safe zone. However, it seems that the stars smiled upon NaNiwa's diligence and granted him the opportunity to prove himself against Revival. NaNiwa did not disappoint and crushed Revival with constant two base aggression, which demonstrates his flexibility as a player. As seen from his journey from the Wings of Liberty to the BlizzCon, it is not enough to depict NaNiwa as the foreign hope. NaNiwa is hope! With a tarnished resume displaying his unprofessional behavior and occasional mediocre play, NaNiwa has achieved the unthinkable by storming tournaments with miraculous victories and finally found an Alliance that would welcome him with open arms and maintain his relevance in the progaming scene. As of now, we see that NaNiwa has began to exhibit a better attitude and approach to the game. Although the winning mentality has mortally cursed NaNiwa, that same spell has empowered NaNiwa to become the very reason to perhaps hope that he will realize the ultimate rewards of absolute victory. I don't know how you can see Naniwa making it to Blizzcon as epitomising how he is the player who dares to challenge against all odds when the fact is that Naniwa made it to Blizzcon on the back of miraculous luck and incredible failures of many other players that were in a position to easily overtake him. What you describe sounds like what MC did to make it to Blizzcon. In fact they both started season 3 with similar points and both needed to perform well or risk not making it to the finals. MC performed when he needed to, especially when he was one game away from elimination against Thorzain and was able to guarantee his place on the back of his own performance, Naniwa on the other hand flamed out and had to rely on many things going his way to even have a chance to make it. The thing is how NaNiwa continued to try, even though his chances were slim. Also, I even said that his attitude is responsible for his downfall, and I definitely agree that his loss against Targa was his fault for underestimating Targa. There's a reason why I called him "Hope". It's because there was some miracles behind it. Look, I definitely agree that there are way better Protosses (Rain and Parting) than he, but the funny thing is how NaNiwa was able to succeed even though his chances were narrow. Also, if you read my piece, you would realize how NaNiwa is fine with being the dark horse (in his own right). NaNiwa's journey is one of a kind, and I think that should have been capitalized. If they capitalised on how his run was unique it would have made his fans even more mad, would you have preferred the article to be titled the luckiest player in the world? I think miraculous would be the better title. Miracles can happen and can be viewed as a result of a good deed (like the Cinderella story). Luck is viewed to be much more indiscriminate. Same denotation but very different connotation! If miracles can be a result of a good deed I would have to say that based on his storied history Naniwa is one of the least deserving players of a miracle. Due to good deeds he isn't worthy, which is plausible because of his piss poor attitude at times. You have to realize how hard this guy works though, which makes me think he is worthy of deserving it. Every pro that made it to the finals works hard, they would not have made it if they didn't but none of them have Naniwa's history of bad manner, disrespecting other players, bad mouthing tournaments and throwing matches. I can respect Naniwa's persistence to a degree but there is no excuse for his behavior and the reaction that some of his fans bring to events that he is involved in (not referring to you or the previous poster) is toxic for the scene. And to clarify, I did not say that he did not deserve to be at the finals, but that the "miracle" that occurred to allow Naniwa to advance could have gone to many more deserving players based on their "good deeds". I'm just wondering here. What is your solution to this player? Force him to retire? Is that your wish? Should the organizers block him to participate in future tournaments? Or are you happy if everyone just hates him everywhere? What is a proper punishment to you? Also, as a side question to this, can any person find redemption in your eyes? Or is it "You made a mistake! Your now banned out of my existance for all eternity!"?
Let's start with everyone hating him, clearly that is not true based on any LR thread for a tournament that he competes in.
Should tournament organisers ban him? That's up to them and it's not my position to say what is best for the business but considering things like the probe rush or writing that MLG was a "fucking joke tournament" while the game screen was being shown to the entire crowd, any other similar occurances could you blame them?
What is the proper punishment?
You are painting me as some kind of authority for how a player show be treated in the entire scene and I don't know why. The only "punishment" I can give to Naniwa is personal, I don't support him simple as that. Anything relating to tournaments or the scene at large is not up to me.
Finally can someone find redemption in my eyes? Of course, they just have to show remorse for their previous actions which Naniwa has not done.
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On November 08 2013 21:47 MuMeise wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 08 2013 21:28 MuMeise wrote:On November 08 2013 20:15 hansonslee wrote:Here's my take on NaNiwa: I was about to make a thread, but I did not want to create a scene, so I will post my article here! Naniwa: "There's No Greater Price and Reward Than Victory!"+ Show Spoiler +Note: I understand that Zealously has written an article about him, but sadly, unlike his past articles, that article has exhibited poor quality in terms of depiction of NaNiwa. The points that article are true; however, it's the omission of other important facts that creates a very skewed picture of NaNiwa. I understand that I am not a TL writer. However, some people were eager to hear how the TL would treat NaNiwa, and these people especially NaNiwa deserve better. A lot of harsh criticism has compelled me to write an article about NaNiwa to cater to those who felt unsatisfied. If I have offended anyone, I greatly apologize. There is more to NaNiwa than being the "foreign hope" of BlizzCon. He represents many other archetypes that cannot be simply listed. When Starcraft 2 was at its infancy, NaNiwa was notorious for being a dangerous 1 base cheeser with a very obnoxious attitude. Such behavior has forced NaNiwa to exhibit commitment issues with different teams. But then, when MLG Dallas 2011 was looming in the corner, the State of the Game hosts such as Nony saw NaNiwa's play on stream and quivered in fear. How can this random kid be so good? Even with his clean victory in MLG Dallas 2011, NaNiwa was not satisfied with his victory, and the Koreans were next on his hit list. When MLG Providence arrived, NaNiwa defeated the two Incredible Miracle kings of Liberty Mvp and Nestea. Due to NaNiwa's impressive play that placed him 2nd against Leenock, GOMtv has decided to invite him Blizzard Cup. However, every glorious victory comes at a price. NaNiwa's obsessive ambition to win has cemented his downfall time to time. When he had no chance of advancing from the group stages, NaNiwa decided to insult his integrity by probe rushing against Nestea. People were shocked not only because of NaNiwa's blatant disrespect of his opponent but also because of how the anticipated rivalry between Nestea and NaNiwa had an extremely anti-climatic ending. In addition to NaNiwa's bad sportsmanship, NaNiwa might have developed some sort of overconfidence resulting from his bounty kills of famous Koreans and paid the price. NaNiwa had an extreme grudge against the Zerg match up and dismissed a lot of the Zerg players he lost against for playing an "OP race". This mentality has compelled NaNiwa to underestimate his Zerg opponents and lost when he was considered to be the heavy favorite. NaNiwa also has shown some stubbornness in some of his games. He sometimes would scout late and lose to Mvp's and Flash's 1 base cheese. His mantra "Forge Fast Expand or Die", which was considered to be his favorite build, was also exploited when he played against Leenock. In a sense, Bane would be correct to say to NaNiwa that "victory has defeated you". --- Despite the costs of his toxic mentality, NaNiwa was still an inspiring figure to some people not just because he beats Koreans, but because NaNiwa wanted to win despite all odds against him. Unlike EG legends like HuK, Idra, Stephano, and ThorZain, NaNiwa continued to train in Korea and change up his playstyle whenever he needed to. Throughout his WCS journey, NaNiwa has shown a diverse set of builds with crisp execution. For example, NaNiwa's void ray composition is considered unthinkable against the Zerg's hydralisk composition. Yet, NaNiwa makes it work and has introduced Void Rays as a versatile unit and less of a corruptor buster. Since NaNiwa is not much of a socializer, we can assume that such extraordinary gameplay comes from NaNiwa's dedication and determination to win, which rivals to those of his Korean counterparts. Furthermore, NaNiwa's strength is to his ability to analyze his players and come up with different tactics to show us memorable games. For example, in his recent games against Hyun, NaNiwa has opened a cheese against Hyun in the ace match. The reason for his decision was NaNiwa wanted to use a different build order to punish Hyun's greedy playstyle, which NaNiwa guessed correctly. This depth of analysis reminds us of how foreigners like Stephano can become clutch players and make epic comebacks against massive deficits. Finally, his chances of getting into BlizzCon epitomize how NaNiwa is the player who dares to challenges against all odds. When NaNiwa lost disgracefully against Targa, his chances to BlizzCon were slim. Even, the Starcraft 2 community believed that NaNiwa should place well in Dreamhack Bucharest and IEM New York to secure his spot. However, instead of rushing for the points, NaNiwa ditch Dreamhack and carefully and intensively prepared for his IEM New York. This sacrifice earned him second place, which did not give him the amount of points to stay on the safe zone. However, it seems that the stars smiled upon NaNiwa's diligence and granted him the opportunity to prove himself against Revival. NaNiwa did not disappoint and crushed Revival with constant two base aggression, which demonstrates his flexibility as a player. As seen from his journey from the Wings of Liberty to the BlizzCon, it is not enough to depict NaNiwa as the foreign hope. NaNiwa is hope! With a tarnished resume displaying his unprofessional behavior and occasional mediocre play, NaNiwa has achieved the unthinkable by storming tournaments with miraculous victories and finally found an Alliance that would welcome him with open arms and maintain his relevance in the progaming scene. As of now, we see that NaNiwa has began to exhibit a better attitude and approach to the game. Although the winning mentality has mortally cursed NaNiwa, that same spell has empowered NaNiwa to become the very reason to perhaps hope that he will realize the ultimate rewards of absolute victory. This is a preview I can live with actually, much better written. Has the pros and cons and talks about his SC2 achievements.. could someone please replace the orginal article? thanks No, it won't be replaced. If you liked something else better, why not? You know you seem offended... you should not be... the thing is that all articles except the one for naniwa try also to focus on the "good" of the person while not leaving the bad habbits out... the naniwa article is mainly focusing on bad habbits. The article above actually reflects on both sides of the coin while, and this is my problem with the original article, talking about his way to blizcon, which also the original article should have been about. I am by no means a naniwa fanboy, I just want that every player is seen in the same light. You know also taeja has bad habbits.. there is no talk AT ALL about them. He is extremly biased vs. other races and balance etc. etc. Also I want to see the article about Polt... Polt is someone that is extremely BM about other players on the stage... not only naniwa but almost everyone... I wonder if the articles will soley focus on this site of Polt... They should not.. and neither should the original article... It's just bad in every terms of journalism and writing. You should be a bit more objective when writing this stuff... sorry
MC's article is much worse than this one in terms of tone and focus and if you cannot see the difference between Polt's "BM" and Naniwa's then it hard to discuss this.
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On November 08 2013 21:47 MuMeise wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 08 2013 21:28 MuMeise wrote:On November 08 2013 20:15 hansonslee wrote:Here's my take on NaNiwa: I was about to make a thread, but I did not want to create a scene, so I will post my article here! Naniwa: "There's No Greater Price and Reward Than Victory!"+ Show Spoiler +Note: I understand that Zealously has written an article about him, but sadly, unlike his past articles, that article has exhibited poor quality in terms of depiction of NaNiwa. The points that article are true; however, it's the omission of other important facts that creates a very skewed picture of NaNiwa. I understand that I am not a TL writer. However, some people were eager to hear how the TL would treat NaNiwa, and these people especially NaNiwa deserve better. A lot of harsh criticism has compelled me to write an article about NaNiwa to cater to those who felt unsatisfied. If I have offended anyone, I greatly apologize. There is more to NaNiwa than being the "foreign hope" of BlizzCon. He represents many other archetypes that cannot be simply listed. When Starcraft 2 was at its infancy, NaNiwa was notorious for being a dangerous 1 base cheeser with a very obnoxious attitude. Such behavior has forced NaNiwa to exhibit commitment issues with different teams. But then, when MLG Dallas 2011 was looming in the corner, the State of the Game hosts such as Nony saw NaNiwa's play on stream and quivered in fear. How can this random kid be so good? Even with his clean victory in MLG Dallas 2011, NaNiwa was not satisfied with his victory, and the Koreans were next on his hit list. When MLG Providence arrived, NaNiwa defeated the two Incredible Miracle kings of Liberty Mvp and Nestea. Due to NaNiwa's impressive play that placed him 2nd against Leenock, GOMtv has decided to invite him Blizzard Cup. However, every glorious victory comes at a price. NaNiwa's obsessive ambition to win has cemented his downfall time to time. When he had no chance of advancing from the group stages, NaNiwa decided to insult his integrity by probe rushing against Nestea. People were shocked not only because of NaNiwa's blatant disrespect of his opponent but also because of how the anticipated rivalry between Nestea and NaNiwa had an extremely anti-climatic ending. In addition to NaNiwa's bad sportsmanship, NaNiwa might have developed some sort of overconfidence resulting from his bounty kills of famous Koreans and paid the price. NaNiwa had an extreme grudge against the Zerg match up and dismissed a lot of the Zerg players he lost against for playing an "OP race". This mentality has compelled NaNiwa to underestimate his Zerg opponents and lost when he was considered to be the heavy favorite. NaNiwa also has shown some stubbornness in some of his games. He sometimes would scout late and lose to Mvp's and Flash's 1 base cheese. His mantra "Forge Fast Expand or Die", which was considered to be his favorite build, was also exploited when he played against Leenock. In a sense, Bane would be correct to say to NaNiwa that "victory has defeated you". --- Despite the costs of his toxic mentality, NaNiwa was still an inspiring figure to some people not just because he beats Koreans, but because NaNiwa wanted to win despite all odds against him. Unlike EG legends like HuK, Idra, Stephano, and ThorZain, NaNiwa continued to train in Korea and change up his playstyle whenever he needed to. Throughout his WCS journey, NaNiwa has shown a diverse set of builds with crisp execution. For example, NaNiwa's void ray composition is considered unthinkable against the Zerg's hydralisk composition. Yet, NaNiwa makes it work and has introduced Void Rays as a versatile unit and less of a corruptor buster. Since NaNiwa is not much of a socializer, we can assume that such extraordinary gameplay comes from NaNiwa's dedication and determination to win, which rivals to those of his Korean counterparts. Furthermore, NaNiwa's strength is to his ability to analyze his players and come up with different tactics to show us memorable games. For example, in his recent games against Hyun, NaNiwa has opened a cheese against Hyun in the ace match. The reason for his decision was NaNiwa wanted to use a different build order to punish Hyun's greedy playstyle, which NaNiwa guessed correctly. This depth of analysis reminds us of how foreigners like Stephano can become clutch players and make epic comebacks against massive deficits. Finally, his chances of getting into BlizzCon epitomize how NaNiwa is the player who dares to challenges against all odds. When NaNiwa lost disgracefully against Targa, his chances to BlizzCon were slim. Even, the Starcraft 2 community believed that NaNiwa should place well in Dreamhack Bucharest and IEM New York to secure his spot. However, instead of rushing for the points, NaNiwa ditch Dreamhack and carefully and intensively prepared for his IEM New York. This sacrifice earned him second place, which did not give him the amount of points to stay on the safe zone. However, it seems that the stars smiled upon NaNiwa's diligence and granted him the opportunity to prove himself against Revival. NaNiwa did not disappoint and crushed Revival with constant two base aggression, which demonstrates his flexibility as a player. As seen from his journey from the Wings of Liberty to the BlizzCon, it is not enough to depict NaNiwa as the foreign hope. NaNiwa is hope! With a tarnished resume displaying his unprofessional behavior and occasional mediocre play, NaNiwa has achieved the unthinkable by storming tournaments with miraculous victories and finally found an Alliance that would welcome him with open arms and maintain his relevance in the progaming scene. As of now, we see that NaNiwa has began to exhibit a better attitude and approach to the game. Although the winning mentality has mortally cursed NaNiwa, that same spell has empowered NaNiwa to become the very reason to perhaps hope that he will realize the ultimate rewards of absolute victory. This is a preview I can live with actually, much better written. Has the pros and cons and talks about his SC2 achievements.. could someone please replace the orginal article? thanks No, it won't be replaced. If you liked something else better, why not? You know you seem offended... you should not be... the thing is that all articles except the one for naniwa try also to focus on the "good" of the person while not leaving the bad habbits out... the naniwa article is mainly focusing on bad habbits. The article above actually reflects on both sides of the coin while, and this is my problem with the original article, talking about his way to blizcon, which also the original article should have been about. I am by no means a naniwa fanboy, I just want that every player is seen in the same light. You know also taeja has bad habbits.. there is no talk AT ALL about them. He is extremly biased vs. other races and balance etc. etc. Also I want to see the article about Polt... Polt is someone that is extremely BM about other players on the stage... not only naniwa but almost everyone... I wonder if the articles will soley focus on this site of Polt... They should not.. and neither should the original article... It's just bad in every terms of journalism and writing. You should be a bit more objective when writing this stuff... sorry
If you want every player to be seen in the same light then they'd have to be the exact same player. Each of them has a different "thing" that makes them interesting and our articles were supposed to highlight some of those to really differentiate them from the others. Not 100% correctly list everything a player has ever said and done. I don't even see why winning at all cost is considered negative by some. Naniwa has said before that he doesn't feel as happy as a person, overall, when he's not winning. It shows his extreme determination that people admire and respect him for. That's that "thing" that was highlighted and looked at. And I think Zealously did a damn good job.
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We need to give Naniwa all our energy. This way he will be an unstoppable force and spirit bomb all the koreans out of Blizzcon!
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On November 08 2013 21:36 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 21:19 pms wrote:On November 08 2013 20:02 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 08 2013 19:28 pms wrote:On November 08 2013 19:23 NovemberstOrm wrote:On November 08 2013 19:19 pms wrote:On November 08 2013 19:14 NovemberstOrm wrote:
You can't call the article shit just because the perspective it's written from.
The article speaks the truth about how NaNiwa plays. Perspective? Could you be more specific? This article is just missing in so many aspects. It's not just "perspective" lol It's written from the perspective that NaNiwa is a lone wolf, he plays too win, his mentality about the game etc etc. It's not missing any aspects because that's how it was chosen to be written, it could have been written in different ways, just because it's not talking about how glorious NaNiwa is doesn't mean it gives you a right to shit all over it. This article: 1. Is missing some of the features that other articles have (the title given to each player, but not to Naniwa) 2. Is missing some of the facts about Naniwa (e.g., that he said that SC is his passion and he plays it because of it, not just because he wants to win) 3. Is missing the facts about Naniwa's road to Blizzcon (ironic, isn't it?) 4. Is biased (as you've nicely put it "It's written from a perspective") All in all, this article is an example of bad journalism and media bias: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethicsI'm just starting to realize more and more how bad this article sucks. 1) It's missing a title. Hokai. 2) Every article is missing facts about players. These guys have been competing, doing and saying things for years. We cannot include everything and you should know that. 3) These articles are not about how they got to Blizzcon. 4) Bias =|= perspective. Perspective is taking an element of Naniwa and writing about it. Which was done. You just didn't like it and that's why you're arguing. 1) We agree on this. 2) Yes, I know, but somehow one should try to prepare a representative selection of the most important facts. 3) The way Naniwa got to Blizzcon illustrates his unstable playstyle and could be easily used here (he got eliminated by weaker players, but then fought his way back be eliminating harder players in harder tournaments) 4) Tell me the difference between bias and perspective then... Your argument would work, if the "perspective" were stated clearly at the beginning of the article and author would emphasize his personal take/perspective on the topic... This has not been done. Btw., in this thread Zealously writes that "he hates Naniwa". Is it true?On November 08 2013 20:07 Zealously wrote:On November 08 2013 20:04 ThePlagueJG wrote:On November 08 2013 20:03 Zealously wrote:
Hey guys imagine if Naniwa wins Blizzcon I would be drunk somewhere downtown and would probably forget what happened. Not me, I hate Naniwa I told you I wasn't arguing with you anymore. About the bolded part: you cannot be serious.
I'm satisfied with it. Let the crowd decide.
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On November 08 2013 21:52 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 21:47 MuMeise wrote:On November 08 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 08 2013 21:28 MuMeise wrote:On November 08 2013 20:15 hansonslee wrote:Here's my take on NaNiwa: I was about to make a thread, but I did not want to create a scene, so I will post my article here! Naniwa: "There's No Greater Price and Reward Than Victory!"+ Show Spoiler +Note: I understand that Zealously has written an article about him, but sadly, unlike his past articles, that article has exhibited poor quality in terms of depiction of NaNiwa. The points that article are true; however, it's the omission of other important facts that creates a very skewed picture of NaNiwa. I understand that I am not a TL writer. However, some people were eager to hear how the TL would treat NaNiwa, and these people especially NaNiwa deserve better. A lot of harsh criticism has compelled me to write an article about NaNiwa to cater to those who felt unsatisfied. If I have offended anyone, I greatly apologize. There is more to NaNiwa than being the "foreign hope" of BlizzCon. He represents many other archetypes that cannot be simply listed. When Starcraft 2 was at its infancy, NaNiwa was notorious for being a dangerous 1 base cheeser with a very obnoxious attitude. Such behavior has forced NaNiwa to exhibit commitment issues with different teams. But then, when MLG Dallas 2011 was looming in the corner, the State of the Game hosts such as Nony saw NaNiwa's play on stream and quivered in fear. How can this random kid be so good? Even with his clean victory in MLG Dallas 2011, NaNiwa was not satisfied with his victory, and the Koreans were next on his hit list. When MLG Providence arrived, NaNiwa defeated the two Incredible Miracle kings of Liberty Mvp and Nestea. Due to NaNiwa's impressive play that placed him 2nd against Leenock, GOMtv has decided to invite him Blizzard Cup. However, every glorious victory comes at a price. NaNiwa's obsessive ambition to win has cemented his downfall time to time. When he had no chance of advancing from the group stages, NaNiwa decided to insult his integrity by probe rushing against Nestea. People were shocked not only because of NaNiwa's blatant disrespect of his opponent but also because of how the anticipated rivalry between Nestea and NaNiwa had an extremely anti-climatic ending. In addition to NaNiwa's bad sportsmanship, NaNiwa might have developed some sort of overconfidence resulting from his bounty kills of famous Koreans and paid the price. NaNiwa had an extreme grudge against the Zerg match up and dismissed a lot of the Zerg players he lost against for playing an "OP race". This mentality has compelled NaNiwa to underestimate his Zerg opponents and lost when he was considered to be the heavy favorite. NaNiwa also has shown some stubbornness in some of his games. He sometimes would scout late and lose to Mvp's and Flash's 1 base cheese. His mantra "Forge Fast Expand or Die", which was considered to be his favorite build, was also exploited when he played against Leenock. In a sense, Bane would be correct to say to NaNiwa that "victory has defeated you". --- Despite the costs of his toxic mentality, NaNiwa was still an inspiring figure to some people not just because he beats Koreans, but because NaNiwa wanted to win despite all odds against him. Unlike EG legends like HuK, Idra, Stephano, and ThorZain, NaNiwa continued to train in Korea and change up his playstyle whenever he needed to. Throughout his WCS journey, NaNiwa has shown a diverse set of builds with crisp execution. For example, NaNiwa's void ray composition is considered unthinkable against the Zerg's hydralisk composition. Yet, NaNiwa makes it work and has introduced Void Rays as a versatile unit and less of a corruptor buster. Since NaNiwa is not much of a socializer, we can assume that such extraordinary gameplay comes from NaNiwa's dedication and determination to win, which rivals to those of his Korean counterparts. Furthermore, NaNiwa's strength is to his ability to analyze his players and come up with different tactics to show us memorable games. For example, in his recent games against Hyun, NaNiwa has opened a cheese against Hyun in the ace match. The reason for his decision was NaNiwa wanted to use a different build order to punish Hyun's greedy playstyle, which NaNiwa guessed correctly. This depth of analysis reminds us of how foreigners like Stephano can become clutch players and make epic comebacks against massive deficits. Finally, his chances of getting into BlizzCon epitomize how NaNiwa is the player who dares to challenges against all odds. When NaNiwa lost disgracefully against Targa, his chances to BlizzCon were slim. Even, the Starcraft 2 community believed that NaNiwa should place well in Dreamhack Bucharest and IEM New York to secure his spot. However, instead of rushing for the points, NaNiwa ditch Dreamhack and carefully and intensively prepared for his IEM New York. This sacrifice earned him second place, which did not give him the amount of points to stay on the safe zone. However, it seems that the stars smiled upon NaNiwa's diligence and granted him the opportunity to prove himself against Revival. NaNiwa did not disappoint and crushed Revival with constant two base aggression, which demonstrates his flexibility as a player. As seen from his journey from the Wings of Liberty to the BlizzCon, it is not enough to depict NaNiwa as the foreign hope. NaNiwa is hope! With a tarnished resume displaying his unprofessional behavior and occasional mediocre play, NaNiwa has achieved the unthinkable by storming tournaments with miraculous victories and finally found an Alliance that would welcome him with open arms and maintain his relevance in the progaming scene. As of now, we see that NaNiwa has began to exhibit a better attitude and approach to the game. Although the winning mentality has mortally cursed NaNiwa, that same spell has empowered NaNiwa to become the very reason to perhaps hope that he will realize the ultimate rewards of absolute victory. This is a preview I can live with actually, much better written. Has the pros and cons and talks about his SC2 achievements.. could someone please replace the orginal article? thanks No, it won't be replaced. If you liked something else better, why not? You know you seem offended... you should not be... the thing is that all articles except the one for naniwa try also to focus on the "good" of the person while not leaving the bad habbits out... the naniwa article is mainly focusing on bad habbits. The article above actually reflects on both sides of the coin while, and this is my problem with the original article, talking about his way to blizcon, which also the original article should have been about. I am by no means a naniwa fanboy, I just want that every player is seen in the same light. You know also taeja has bad habbits.. there is no talk AT ALL about them. He is extremly biased vs. other races and balance etc. etc. Also I want to see the article about Polt... Polt is someone that is extremely BM about other players on the stage... not only naniwa but almost everyone... I wonder if the articles will soley focus on this site of Polt... They should not.. and neither should the original article... It's just bad in every terms of journalism and writing. You should be a bit more objective when writing this stuff... sorry If you want every player to be seen in the same light then they'd have to be the exact same player. Each of them has a different "thing" that makes them interesting and our articles were supposed to highlight some of those to really differentiate them from the others. Not 100% correctly list everything a player has ever said and done. I don't even see why winning at all cost is considered negative by some. Naniwa has said before that he doesn't feel as happy as a person, overall, when he's not winning. It shows his extreme determination that people admire and respect him for. That's that "thing" that was highlighted and looked at. And I think Zealously did a damn good job.
... what exactly don't you undestand about the fact that the purpose of the article was to write: The way to blizcon...
while exactly this topic was not mentioned at all...
There was in no way explained how he got there... so in school terms: "missed the point of the task given"
anyway.... in general I am a huge fan of tl articles. I enjoy reading them etc. But this one... And I am as you can can clearly see am not the only one that sees it this way.. think that the article is bad...
It seems like written out of memory in a fast pace not focusing on the task given.. which was: explain what exactly he had to do to get to the 2013!!!! blizcon... not 2011
of course you can talk about 2011, 2012.. but the main task... was to talk about his way to THIS blizcon.
the differences to the second article that was written by hansonslee is just better researched and written in every aspect, because it focused on the task while not leaving out the same stuff as the original article
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Austria24417 Posts
You got the purpose of these articles wrong, that's your problem. It's not about how they got to blizzcon.
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In this thread: Naniwa is not hyped up enough. I want more hype! And make him more positive! Ignore his bad sides please cause we all want only to know the best there is about him!
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On November 08 2013 22:04 MuMeise wrote:
... what exactly don't you undestand about the fact that the purpose of the article was to write: The way to blizcon...
while exactly this topic was not mentioned at all...
There was in no way explained how he got there... so in school terms: "missed the point of the task given"
I never saw it as the players way to Blizzcon, but our way to Blizzcon.
We on teamliquid are together on that road to the convention with is highly anticipated and during that way someone on the vehicle tells a brief story about one of the player.
Opinions among the thousands are ofc spread and that shows how each single one takes the story of the tellers who are ofc biased themself.
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I don't really think the article is bad, although I think it would better for the tournament if we hyped the foriegner alittle more. Thats about all.
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Austria24417 Posts
The road to blizzcon is just the name of the article series.
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On November 08 2013 22:10 sithvincent wrote:
In this thread: Naniwa is not hyped up enough. I want more hype! And make him more positive! Ignore his bad sides please cause we all want only to know the best there is about him!
No, leverage good and bad. Not just bad.  
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On November 08 2013 21:47 coloursheep wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 21:36 Ohforfsake wrote:On November 08 2013 21:29 coloursheep wrote:On November 08 2013 21:18 Siphonn wrote:On November 08 2013 21:11 coloursheep wrote:On November 08 2013 21:00 hansonslee wrote:On November 08 2013 20:57 coloursheep wrote:On November 08 2013 20:49 hansonslee wrote:On November 08 2013 20:44 coloursheep wrote:On November 08 2013 20:15 hansonslee wrote:Here's my take on NaNiwa: I was about to make a thread, but I did not want to create a scene, so I will post my article here! Naniwa: "There's No Greater Price and Reward Than Victory!"+ Show Spoiler +Note: I understand that Zealously has written an article about him, but sadly, unlike his past articles, that article has exhibited poor quality in terms of depiction of NaNiwa. The points that article are true; however, it's the omission of other important facts that creates a very skewed picture of NaNiwa. I understand that I am not a TL writer. However, some people were eager to hear how the TL would treat NaNiwa, and these people especially NaNiwa deserve better. A lot of harsh criticism has compelled me to write an article about NaNiwa to cater to those who felt unsatisfied. If I have offended anyone, I greatly apologize. There is more to NaNiwa than being the "foreign hope" of BlizzCon. He represents many other archetypes that cannot be simply listed. When Starcraft 2 was at its infancy, NaNiwa was notorious for being a dangerous 1 base cheeser with a very obnoxious attitude. Such behavior has forced NaNiwa to exhibit commitment issues with different teams. But then, when MLG Dallas 2011 was looming in the corner, the State of the Game hosts such as Nony saw NaNiwa's play on stream and quivered in fear. How can this random kid be so good? Even with his clean victory in MLG Dallas 2011, NaNiwa was not satisfied with his victory, and the Koreans were next on his hit list. When MLG Providence arrived, NaNiwa defeated the two Incredible Miracle kings of Liberty Mvp and Nestea. Due to NaNiwa's impressive play that placed him 2nd against Leenock, GOMtv has decided to invite him Blizzard Cup. However, every glorious victory comes at a price. NaNiwa's obsessive ambition to win has cemented his downfall time to time. When he had no chance of advancing from the group stages, NaNiwa decided to insult his integrity by probe rushing against Nestea. People were shocked not only because of NaNiwa's blatant disrespect of his opponent but also because of how the anticipated rivalry between Nestea and NaNiwa had an extremely anti-climatic ending. In addition to NaNiwa's bad sportsmanship, NaNiwa might have developed some sort of overconfidence resulting from his bounty kills of famous Koreans and paid the price. NaNiwa had an extreme grudge against the Zerg match up and dismissed a lot of the Zerg players he lost against for playing an "OP race". This mentality has compelled NaNiwa to underestimate his Zerg opponents and lost when he was considered to be the heavy favorite. NaNiwa also has shown some stubbornness in some of his games. He sometimes would scout late and lose to Mvp's and Flash's 1 base cheese. His mantra "Forge Fast Expand or Die", which was considered to be his favorite build, was also exploited when he played against Leenock. In a sense, Bane would be correct to say to NaNiwa that "victory has defeated you". --- Despite the costs of his toxic mentality, NaNiwa was still an inspiring figure to some people not just because he beats Koreans, but because NaNiwa wanted to win despite all odds against him. Unlike EG legends like HuK, Idra, Stephano, and ThorZain, NaNiwa continued to train in Korea and change up his playstyle whenever he needed to. Throughout his WCS journey, NaNiwa has shown a diverse set of builds with crisp execution. For example, NaNiwa's void ray composition is considered unthinkable against the Zerg's hydralisk composition. Yet, NaNiwa makes it work and has introduced Void Rays as a versatile unit and less of a corruptor buster. Since NaNiwa is not much of a socializer, we can assume that such extraordinary gameplay comes from NaNiwa's dedication and determination to win, which rivals to those of his Korean counterparts. Furthermore, NaNiwa's strength is to his ability to analyze his players and come up with different tactics to show us memorable games. For example, in his recent games against Hyun, NaNiwa has opened a cheese against Hyun in the ace match. The reason for his decision was NaNiwa wanted to use a different build order to punish Hyun's greedy playstyle, which NaNiwa guessed correctly. This depth of analysis reminds us of how foreigners like Stephano can become clutch players and make epic comebacks against massive deficits. Finally, his chances of getting into BlizzCon epitomize how NaNiwa is the player who dares to challenges against all odds. When NaNiwa lost disgracefully against Targa, his chances to BlizzCon were slim. Even, the Starcraft 2 community believed that NaNiwa should place well in Dreamhack Bucharest and IEM New York to secure his spot. However, instead of rushing for the points, NaNiwa ditch Dreamhack and carefully and intensively prepared for his IEM New York. This sacrifice earned him second place, which did not give him the amount of points to stay on the safe zone. However, it seems that the stars smiled upon NaNiwa's diligence and granted him the opportunity to prove himself against Revival. NaNiwa did not disappoint and crushed Revival with constant two base aggression, which demonstrates his flexibility as a player. As seen from his journey from the Wings of Liberty to the BlizzCon, it is not enough to depict NaNiwa as the foreign hope. NaNiwa is hope! With a tarnished resume displaying his unprofessional behavior and occasional mediocre play, NaNiwa has achieved the unthinkable by storming tournaments with miraculous victories and finally found an Alliance that would welcome him with open arms and maintain his relevance in the progaming scene. As of now, we see that NaNiwa has began to exhibit a better attitude and approach to the game. Although the winning mentality has mortally cursed NaNiwa, that same spell has empowered NaNiwa to become the very reason to perhaps hope that he will realize the ultimate rewards of absolute victory. I don't know how you can see Naniwa making it to Blizzcon as epitomising how he is the player who dares to challenge against all odds when the fact is that Naniwa made it to Blizzcon on the back of miraculous luck and incredible failures of many other players that were in a position to easily overtake him. What you describe sounds like what MC did to make it to Blizzcon. In fact they both started season 3 with similar points and both needed to perform well or risk not making it to the finals. MC performed when he needed to, especially when he was one game away from elimination against Thorzain and was able to guarantee his place on the back of his own performance, Naniwa on the other hand flamed out and had to rely on many things going his way to even have a chance to make it. The thing is how NaNiwa continued to try, even though his chances were slim. Also, I even said that his attitude is responsible for his downfall, and I definitely agree that his loss against Targa was his fault for underestimating Targa. There's a reason why I called him "Hope". It's because there was some miracles behind it. Look, I definitely agree that there are way better Protosses (Rain and Parting) than he, but the funny thing is how NaNiwa was able to succeed even though his chances were narrow. Also, if you read my piece, you would realize how NaNiwa is fine with being the dark horse (in his own right). NaNiwa's journey is one of a kind, and I think that should have been capitalized. If they capitalised on how his run was unique it would have made his fans even more mad, would you have preferred the article to be titled the luckiest player in the world? I think miraculous would be the better title. Miracles can happen and can be viewed as a result of a good deed (like the Cinderella story). Luck is viewed to be much more indiscriminate. Same denotation but very different connotation! If miracles can be a result of a good deed I would have to say that based on his storied history Naniwa is one of the least deserving players of a miracle. Due to good deeds he isn't worthy, which is plausible because of his piss poor attitude at times. You have to realize how hard this guy works though, which makes me think he is worthy of deserving it. Every pro that made it to the finals works hard, they would not have made it if they didn't but none of them have Naniwa's history of bad manner, disrespecting other players, bad mouthing tournaments and throwing matches. I can respect Naniwa's persistence to a degree but there is no excuse for his behavior and the reaction that some of his fans bring to events that he is involved in (not referring to you or the previous poster) is toxic for the scene. And to clarify, I did not say that he did not deserve to be at the finals, but that the "miracle" that occurred to allow Naniwa to advance could have gone to many more deserving players based on their "good deeds". I'm just wondering here. What is your solution to this player? Force him to retire? Is that your wish? Should the organizers block him to participate in future tournaments? Or are you happy if everyone just hates him everywhere? What is a proper punishment to you? Also, as a side question to this, can any person find redemption in your eyes? Or is it "You made a mistake! Your now banned out of my existance for all eternity!"? Let's start with everyone hating him, clearly that is not true based on any LR thread for a tournament that he competes in. Should tournament organisers ban him? That's up to them and it's not my position to say what is best for the business but considering things like the probe rush or writing that MLG was a "fucking joke tournament" while the game screen was being shown to the entire crowd, any other similar occurances could you blame them? What is the proper punishment? You are painting me as some kind of authority for how a player show be treated in the entire scene and I don't know why. The only "punishment" I can give to Naniwa is personal, I don't support him simple as that. Anything relating to tournaments or the scene at large is not up to me. Finally can someone find redemption in my eyes? Of course, they just have to show remorse for their previous actions which Naniwa has not done.
Your eyes seem to be very clouded by your own rightousness since you disregard his own words. I think it's hard for anyone to find redemption in your eyes. Personally I think Naniwa has shown many times during the last years that he strives to be better than his past. Step by step he is becoming more like a professional athlete even tho he has occational lapses.
But it's good to know where someone like you stands. You have a lot of opinions you like to share about Naniwa but you don't want to stand for them. Instead you hide behind excuses like stating you're not a authority figure etc when having to explain what you really think you're opinions should result in if everyone adopted them.
I'm dying to hear your opinion about Taeja and Polt now.. they should also be punished severely I take it?
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I'm cheering for all Protoss in this tournament and also for Naniwa, I expect him to either pull a good one and defeat snipe Soulkey, or to make him work really hard for his win.
Now, about the whole hype and debate about the article itself:
I think it's a good article, it may not be a Pulitzer prize piece or the most important chapter on the holy book of Naniwa, but it does its job well (I also like the one made by another member of the community, posted on this same thread).
I think we see a lot of fans and non-fans subscribing to the idea: 'Naniwa has changed for the better, he plays because he loves the game AND because he likes to win'. Well, i'd argue that this point remains to be seen. I don't believe he has completely changed his personality in 6 months. I believe personality takes waaaay more time to change than that, but i can see through the youtube clip that, at least, he acknowledges he needs to change his attitude and is trying to improve his image.
Last, but not least, I want to make one suggestion to Zealously, DarkLolli and all the guys writing these texts. Would you guys write an aftermath text for each player after blizzcon? It wouldn't have to be immediately after blizzcon, but it would be very nice to see how the tournament affected each one of the players.
After all, luck or not, these are the 16 best players in the world as recognized by blizzard's system =).
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On November 08 2013 22:15 pms wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 22:10 sithvincent wrote:
In this thread: Naniwa is not hyped up enough. I want more hype! And make him more positive! Ignore his bad sides please cause we all want only to know the best there is about him! No, leverage good and bad. Not just bad.
What I saw:
'Two years we saw the best of NaNiwa, even as he fell just short of being crowned champion of the world. This time around, he can make that final step.' Is this conclusion to the article that summarises everything anywhere near negative?
'He cares only about the game (paraphrased)' Urm you want to know who cares only about the game? Absolutely most of the so called 'emotionless' Koreans now reigning at the top of the chart. When they play, what they are focused on is the beauty of the game and how it plays out, and that's how they are enthralled, and that's what makes them champions. Teamliquid is describing Naniwa as having a characteristics of a champion.
I feel like if people would get pass the knee jerk reaction of 'oh no this is the only true foreigner in Blizzcon he must be hyped to a demigod status write only good things about him please' you will see that not only is this article very true about Naniwa, it is actually making an incredibly strong good statement about him - He is, at heart, a Champion who does not give a fuck about how you view him.
And also, judging from how Naniwa is easily thrown under everyone's feet when he is not being the foreigner flag carrier we can also deduce that people do not like him as a person. They like him as an abstraction of their hopes. This abstraction could be anybody - Scarlett, TLO, a dog - what people care about is the flag carrier and the flag carrier itself, not the human behind it. And this is the result of Nani not reaching out to his fans enough.
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On November 08 2013 22:14 Muffloe wrote:
I don't really think the article is bad, although I think it would better for the tournament if we hyped the foriegner alittle more. Thats about all.
Somewhere i got the feeling that is exactly what they tried to avoid. "Yea, this person has a different skin color then the rest, hype!".
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