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On November 08 2013 22:17 Ohforfsake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 21:47 coloursheep wrote:On November 08 2013 21:36 Ohforfsake wrote:On November 08 2013 21:29 coloursheep wrote:On November 08 2013 21:18 Siphonn wrote:On November 08 2013 21:11 coloursheep wrote:On November 08 2013 21:00 hansonslee wrote:On November 08 2013 20:57 coloursheep wrote:On November 08 2013 20:49 hansonslee wrote:On November 08 2013 20:44 coloursheep wrote:
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I don't know how you can see Naniwa making it to Blizzcon as epitomising how he is the player who dares to challenge against all odds when the fact is that Naniwa made it to Blizzcon on the back of miraculous luck and incredible failures of many other players that were in a position to easily overtake him. What you describe sounds like what MC did to make it to Blizzcon. In fact they both started season 3 with similar points and both needed to perform well or risk not making it to the finals. MC performed when he needed to, especially when he was one game away from elimination against Thorzain and was able to guarantee his place on the back of his own performance, Naniwa on the other hand flamed out and had to rely on many things going his way to even have a chance to make it. The thing is how NaNiwa continued to try, even though his chances were slim. Also, I even said that his attitude is responsible for his downfall, and I definitely agree that his loss against Targa was his fault for underestimating Targa. There's a reason why I called him "Hope". It's because there was some miracles behind it. Look, I definitely agree that there are way better Protosses (Rain and Parting) than he, but the funny thing is how NaNiwa was able to succeed even though his chances were narrow. Also, if you read my piece, you would realize how NaNiwa is fine with being the dark horse (in his own right). NaNiwa's journey is one of a kind, and I think that should have been capitalized. If they capitalised on how his run was unique it would have made his fans even more mad, would you have preferred the article to be titled the luckiest player in the world? I think miraculous would be the better title. Miracles can happen and can be viewed as a result of a good deed (like the Cinderella story). Luck is viewed to be much more indiscriminate. Same denotation but very different connotation! If miracles can be a result of a good deed I would have to say that based on his storied history Naniwa is one of the least deserving players of a miracle. Due to good deeds he isn't worthy, which is plausible because of his piss poor attitude at times. You have to realize how hard this guy works though, which makes me think he is worthy of deserving it. Every pro that made it to the finals works hard, they would not have made it if they didn't but none of them have Naniwa's history of bad manner, disrespecting other players, bad mouthing tournaments and throwing matches. I can respect Naniwa's persistence to a degree but there is no excuse for his behavior and the reaction that some of his fans bring to events that he is involved in (not referring to you or the previous poster) is toxic for the scene. And to clarify, I did not say that he did not deserve to be at the finals, but that the "miracle" that occurred to allow Naniwa to advance could have gone to many more deserving players based on their "good deeds". I'm just wondering here. What is your solution to this player? Force him to retire? Is that your wish? Should the organizers block him to participate in future tournaments? Or are you happy if everyone just hates him everywhere? What is a proper punishment to you? Also, as a side question to this, can any person find redemption in your eyes? Or is it "You made a mistake! Your now banned out of my existance for all eternity!"? Let's start with everyone hating him, clearly that is not true based on any LR thread for a tournament that he competes in. Should tournament organisers ban him? That's up to them and it's not my position to say what is best for the business but considering things like the probe rush or writing that MLG was a "fucking joke tournament" while the game screen was being shown to the entire crowd, any other similar occurances could you blame them? What is the proper punishment? You are painting me as some kind of authority for how a player show be treated in the entire scene and I don't know why. The only "punishment" I can give to Naniwa is personal, I don't support him simple as that. Anything relating to tournaments or the scene at large is not up to me. Finally can someone find redemption in my eyes? Of course, they just have to show remorse for their previous actions which Naniwa has not done. Your eyes seem to be very clouded by your own rightousness since you disregard his own words. I think it's hard for anyone to find redemption in your eyes. Personally I think Naniwa has shown many times during the last years that he strives to be better than his past. Step by step he is becoming more like a professional athlete even tho he has occational lapses. But it's good to know where someone like you stands. You have a lot of opinions you like to share about Naniwa but you don't want to stand for them. Instead you hide behind excuses like stating you're not a authority figure etc when having to explain what you really think you're opinions should result in if everyone adopted them. I'm dying to hear your opinion about Taeja and Polt now.. they should also be punished severely I take it?
My opinion is based on everything Naniwa has done since entering the scene. You say I disregard his own words, maybe I have not scene the interviews you are talking about, I would be happy to read anything you post from him.
I stand for my opinions by not supporting Naniwa, as a fan of the game that is all I am required to do, anything else is irrelevant.
I also stand for players respecting other players, the game, the tournament organisers and the fans. I have not seen Polt or Taeja doing anything close to the many things Naniwa has done, again if you want to show me something I may have missed that might change my opinion on them then I would be open to it.
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On November 08 2013 21:47 MuMeise wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 21:38 DarkLordOlli wrote:On November 08 2013 21:28 MuMeise wrote:On November 08 2013 20:15 hansonslee wrote:Here's my take on NaNiwa: I was about to make a thread, but I did not want to create a scene, so I will post my article here! Naniwa: "There's No Greater Price and Reward Than Victory!"+ Show Spoiler +Note: I understand that Zealously has written an article about him, but sadly, unlike his past articles, that article has exhibited poor quality in terms of depiction of NaNiwa. The points that article are true; however, it's the omission of other important facts that creates a very skewed picture of NaNiwa. I understand that I am not a TL writer. However, some people were eager to hear how the TL would treat NaNiwa, and these people especially NaNiwa deserve better. A lot of harsh criticism has compelled me to write an article about NaNiwa to cater to those who felt unsatisfied. If I have offended anyone, I greatly apologize. There is more to NaNiwa than being the "foreign hope" of BlizzCon. He represents many other archetypes that cannot be simply listed. When Starcraft 2 was at its infancy, NaNiwa was notorious for being a dangerous 1 base cheeser with a very obnoxious attitude. Such behavior has forced NaNiwa to exhibit commitment issues with different teams. But then, when MLG Dallas 2011 was looming in the corner, the State of the Game hosts such as Nony saw NaNiwa's play on stream and quivered in fear. How can this random kid be so good? Even with his clean victory in MLG Dallas 2011, NaNiwa was not satisfied with his victory, and the Koreans were next on his hit list. When MLG Providence arrived, NaNiwa defeated the two Incredible Miracle kings of Liberty Mvp and Nestea. Due to NaNiwa's impressive play that placed him 2nd against Leenock, GOMtv has decided to invite him Blizzard Cup. However, every glorious victory comes at a price. NaNiwa's obsessive ambition to win has cemented his downfall time to time. When he had no chance of advancing from the group stages, NaNiwa decided to insult his integrity by probe rushing against Nestea. People were shocked not only because of NaNiwa's blatant disrespect of his opponent but also because of how the anticipated rivalry between Nestea and NaNiwa had an extremely anti-climatic ending. In addition to NaNiwa's bad sportsmanship, NaNiwa might have developed some sort of overconfidence resulting from his bounty kills of famous Koreans and paid the price. NaNiwa had an extreme grudge against the Zerg match up and dismissed a lot of the Zerg players he lost against for playing an "OP race". This mentality has compelled NaNiwa to underestimate his Zerg opponents and lost when he was considered to be the heavy favorite. NaNiwa also has shown some stubbornness in some of his games. He sometimes would scout late and lose to Mvp's and Flash's 1 base cheese. His mantra "Forge Fast Expand or Die", which was considered to be his favorite build, was also exploited when he played against Leenock. In a sense, Bane would be correct to say to NaNiwa that "victory has defeated you". --- Despite the costs of his toxic mentality, NaNiwa was still an inspiring figure to some people not just because he beats Koreans, but because NaNiwa wanted to win despite all odds against him. Unlike EG legends like HuK, Idra, Stephano, and ThorZain, NaNiwa continued to train in Korea and change up his playstyle whenever he needed to. Throughout his WCS journey, NaNiwa has shown a diverse set of builds with crisp execution. For example, NaNiwa's void ray composition is considered unthinkable against the Zerg's hydralisk composition. Yet, NaNiwa makes it work and has introduced Void Rays as a versatile unit and less of a corruptor buster. Since NaNiwa is not much of a socializer, we can assume that such extraordinary gameplay comes from NaNiwa's dedication and determination to win, which rivals to those of his Korean counterparts. Furthermore, NaNiwa's strength is to his ability to analyze his players and come up with different tactics to show us memorable games. For example, in his recent games against Hyun, NaNiwa has opened a cheese against Hyun in the ace match. The reason for his decision was NaNiwa wanted to use a different build order to punish Hyun's greedy playstyle, which NaNiwa guessed correctly. This depth of analysis reminds us of how foreigners like Stephano can become clutch players and make epic comebacks against massive deficits. Finally, his chances of getting into BlizzCon epitomize how NaNiwa is the player who dares to challenges against all odds. When NaNiwa lost disgracefully against Targa, his chances to BlizzCon were slim. Even, the Starcraft 2 community believed that NaNiwa should place well in Dreamhack Bucharest and IEM New York to secure his spot. However, instead of rushing for the points, NaNiwa ditch Dreamhack and carefully and intensively prepared for his IEM New York. This sacrifice earned him second place, which did not give him the amount of points to stay on the safe zone. However, it seems that the stars smiled upon NaNiwa's diligence and granted him the opportunity to prove himself against Revival. NaNiwa did not disappoint and crushed Revival with constant two base aggression, which demonstrates his flexibility as a player. As seen from his journey from the Wings of Liberty to the BlizzCon, it is not enough to depict NaNiwa as the foreign hope. NaNiwa is hope! With a tarnished resume displaying his unprofessional behavior and occasional mediocre play, NaNiwa has achieved the unthinkable by storming tournaments with miraculous victories and finally found an Alliance that would welcome him with open arms and maintain his relevance in the progaming scene. As of now, we see that NaNiwa has began to exhibit a better attitude and approach to the game. Although the winning mentality has mortally cursed NaNiwa, that same spell has empowered NaNiwa to become the very reason to perhaps hope that he will realize the ultimate rewards of absolute victory. This is a preview I can live with actually, much better written. Has the pros and cons and talks about his SC2 achievements.. could someone please replace the orginal article? thanks No, it won't be replaced. If you liked something else better, why not? You know you seem offended... you should not be... the thing is that all articles except the one for naniwa try also to focus on the "good" of the person while not leaving the bad habbits out... the naniwa article is mainly focusing on bad habbits. The article above actually reflects on both sides of the coin while, and this is my problem with the original article, talking about his way to blizcon, which also the original article should have been about. I am by no means a naniwa fanboy, I just want that every player is seen in the same light. You know also taeja has bad habbits.. there is no talk AT ALL about them. He is extremly biased vs. other races and balance etc. etc. Also I want to see the article about Polt... Polt is someone that is extremely BM about other players on the stage... not only naniwa but almost everyone... I wonder if the articles will soley focus on this site of Polt... They should not.. and neither should the original article... It's just bad in every terms of journalism and writing. You should be a bit more objective when writing this stuff... sorry
Wtf, did you not read the alive article? He just sounded bland/invisible. They aren't trying to balance 'good and bad' they're trying to create a storyline for each player which is accurate and gives them character.
Even if you don't like the article, respect the process and the writers, or apply to be a writer yourself 
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On November 08 2013 16:02 Advantageous wrote:
I seriously find so much negativity in the last couple of articles: MC, EG.Alive, now NaNiwa... but regardless (i expected better from TL...) NaNiwa fighting! The one foreigner to stand his ground against this Korean invasion!
I didnt find it as negative... i thought it was written quite well with facts that are true. I have been and always will be a hugh Naniwa fan. I love that he plays the style that wins... not the style that is supposed to be "fair", or "Correct" but what wins, and in the end that is all that matters.... to WIN.
Its going to be a tough road but Naniwa is as cold as ice under pressure and he attacks with an iron fist.
ENTARO NANIWA!!
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Really hyped that Nani made it to Blizzcon, would not be the same without him.
Would be so sick if he managed to beat Soulkey or go longer.
NANIWA FIGHTING!
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On November 08 2013 22:22 sithvincent wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 22:15 pms wrote:On November 08 2013 22:10 sithvincent wrote:
In this thread: Naniwa is not hyped up enough. I want more hype! And make him more positive! Ignore his bad sides please cause we all want only to know the best there is about him! No, leverage good and bad. Not just bad.  What I saw: 'Two years we saw the best of NaNiwa, even as he fell just short of being crowned champion of the world. This time around, he can make that final step.' Is this conclusion to the article that summarises everything anywhere near negative? 'He cares only about the game (paraphrased)' Urm you want to know who cares only about the game? Absolutely most of the so called 'emotionless' Koreans now reigning at the top of the chart. When they play, what they are focused on is the beauty of the game and how it plays out, and that's how they are enthralled, and that's what makes them champions. Teamliquid is describing Naniwa as having a characteristics of a champion. I feel like if people would get pass the knee jerk reaction of 'oh no this is the only true foreigner in Blizzcon he must be hyped to a demigod status write only good things about him please' you will see that not only is this article very true about Naniwa, it is actually making an incredibly strong good statement about him - He is, at heart, a Champion who does not give a fuck about how you view him. And also, judging from how Naniwa is easily thrown under everyone's feet when he is not being the foreigner flag carrier we can also deduce that people do not like him as a person. They like him as an abstraction of their hopes. This abstraction could be anybody - Scarlett, TLO, a dog - what people care about is the flag carrier and the flag carrier itself, not the human behind it. And this is the result of Nani not reaching out to his fans enough.
This is simply not true, not for me.
I like him because of his personality, because he went through a lot, starting from having problems with his family because of playing computer games (I've read somewhere that his parents made him leave his home because of this, but I don't know if this is confirmed), following problems with numerous teams because of his bad manner and behavior (he was thrown out many times), to the point when now he is among the best, and he is improving his mindset thanks to his devotion and damn hard work (you can clearly see it in the last months if you watch and read him).
I never cheered for Stephano, because Stephano next to Naniwa seems soulless (Stephano openly stated several times that he plays for money, while Naniwa states that Starcraft is his passion).
(It's not true for me. Even if it's true for others then is this a reason to hate Naniwa or these others? No way.)
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On November 08 2013 22:28 coloursheep wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 22:17 Ohforfsake wrote:On November 08 2013 21:47 coloursheep wrote:On November 08 2013 21:36 Ohforfsake wrote:On November 08 2013 21:29 coloursheep wrote:On November 08 2013 21:18 Siphonn wrote:On November 08 2013 21:11 coloursheep wrote:On November 08 2013 21:00 hansonslee wrote:On November 08 2013 20:57 coloursheep wrote:On November 08 2013 20:49 hansonslee wrote:
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The thing is how NaNiwa continued to try, even though his chances were slim. Also, I even said that his attitude is responsible for his downfall, and I definitely agree that his loss against Targa was his fault for underestimating Targa. There's a reason why I called him "Hope". It's because there was some miracles behind it. Look, I definitely agree that there are way better Protosses (Rain and Parting) than he, but the funny thing is how NaNiwa was able to succeed even though his chances were narrow. Also, if you read my piece, you would realize how NaNiwa is fine with being the dark horse (in his own right). NaNiwa's journey is one of a kind, and I think that should have been capitalized. If they capitalised on how his run was unique it would have made his fans even more mad, would you have preferred the article to be titled the luckiest player in the world? I think miraculous would be the better title. Miracles can happen and can be viewed as a result of a good deed (like the Cinderella story). Luck is viewed to be much more indiscriminate. Same denotation but very different connotation! If miracles can be a result of a good deed I would have to say that based on his storied history Naniwa is one of the least deserving players of a miracle. Due to good deeds he isn't worthy, which is plausible because of his piss poor attitude at times. You have to realize how hard this guy works though, which makes me think he is worthy of deserving it. Every pro that made it to the finals works hard, they would not have made it if they didn't but none of them have Naniwa's history of bad manner, disrespecting other players, bad mouthing tournaments and throwing matches. I can respect Naniwa's persistence to a degree but there is no excuse for his behavior and the reaction that some of his fans bring to events that he is involved in (not referring to you or the previous poster) is toxic for the scene. And to clarify, I did not say that he did not deserve to be at the finals, but that the "miracle" that occurred to allow Naniwa to advance could have gone to many more deserving players based on their "good deeds". I'm just wondering here. What is your solution to this player? Force him to retire? Is that your wish? Should the organizers block him to participate in future tournaments? Or are you happy if everyone just hates him everywhere? What is a proper punishment to you? Also, as a side question to this, can any person find redemption in your eyes? Or is it "You made a mistake! Your now banned out of my existance for all eternity!"? Let's start with everyone hating him, clearly that is not true based on any LR thread for a tournament that he competes in. Should tournament organisers ban him? That's up to them and it's not my position to say what is best for the business but considering things like the probe rush or writing that MLG was a "fucking joke tournament" while the game screen was being shown to the entire crowd, any other similar occurances could you blame them? What is the proper punishment? You are painting me as some kind of authority for how a player show be treated in the entire scene and I don't know why. The only "punishment" I can give to Naniwa is personal, I don't support him simple as that. Anything relating to tournaments or the scene at large is not up to me. Finally can someone find redemption in my eyes? Of course, they just have to show remorse for their previous actions which Naniwa has not done. Your eyes seem to be very clouded by your own rightousness since you disregard his own words. I think it's hard for anyone to find redemption in your eyes. Personally I think Naniwa has shown many times during the last years that he strives to be better than his past. Step by step he is becoming more like a professional athlete even tho he has occational lapses. But it's good to know where someone like you stands. You have a lot of opinions you like to share about Naniwa but you don't want to stand for them. Instead you hide behind excuses like stating you're not a authority figure etc when having to explain what you really think you're opinions should result in if everyone adopted them. I'm dying to hear your opinion about Taeja and Polt now.. they should also be punished severely I take it? My opinion is based on everything Naniwa has done since entering the scene. You say I disregard his own words, maybe I have not scene the interviews you are talking about, I would be happy to read anything you post from him. I stand for my opinions by not supporting Naniwa, as a fan of the game that is all I am required to do, anything else is irrelevant. I also stand for players respecting other players, the game, the tournament organisers and the fans. I have not seen Polt or Taeja doing anything close to the many things Naniwa has done, again if you want to show me something I may have missed that might change my opinion on them then I would be open to it.
This is rich coming from someone with no quotes, links or anything remotely what you accuse me of yourself. I'm gonna write you off as a flame troll now and stop responding until you actually start bringing some meat to the conversation.
All I have done here is to point out how you handle someone based on your own bias from the past and not on actual actions lately. How you completely ignore the positive signs showed by this player and how you do not treat other players the same way dispite having a colourful past (research it yourself lazyboy).
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So basicly there are people who dont like Naniwa cus he is sincere about what he thinks (even if he might be rude at times)?
I assume thats why I have so few friends as well :D.
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On November 08 2013 22:41 pms wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 22:22 sithvincent wrote:On November 08 2013 22:15 pms wrote:On November 08 2013 22:10 sithvincent wrote:
In this thread: Naniwa is not hyped up enough. I want more hype! And make him more positive! Ignore his bad sides please cause we all want only to know the best there is about him! No, leverage good and bad. Not just bad. What I saw: 'Two years we saw the best of NaNiwa, even as he fell just short of being crowned champion of the world. This time around, he can make that final step.' Is this conclusion to the article that summarises everything anywhere near negative? 'He cares only about the game (paraphrased)' Urm you want to know who cares only about the game? Absolutely most of the so called 'emotionless' Koreans now reigning at the top of the chart. When they play, what they are focused on is the beauty of the game and how it plays out, and that's how they are enthralled, and that's what makes them champions. Teamliquid is describing Naniwa as having a characteristics of a champion. I feel like if people would get pass the knee jerk reaction of 'oh no this is the only true foreigner in Blizzcon he must be hyped to a demigod status write only good things about him please' you will see that not only is this article very true about Naniwa, it is actually making an incredibly strong good statement about him - He is, at heart, a Champion who does not give a fuck about how you view him. And also, judging from how Naniwa is easily thrown under everyone's feet when he is not being the foreigner flag carrier we can also deduce that people do not like him as a person. They like him as an abstraction of their hopes. This abstraction could be anybody - Scarlett, TLO, a dog - what people care about is the flag carrier and the flag carrier itself, not the human behind it. And this is the result of Nani not reaching out to his fans enough. This is simply not true, not for me. I like him because of his personality, because he went through a lot, starting from having problems with his family because of playing computer games (I've read somewhere that his parents made him leave his home because of this, but I don't know if this is confirmed), following problems with numerous teams because of his bad manner and behavior (he was thrown out many times), to the point when now he is among the best, and he is improving his mindset thanks to his devotion and damn hard work (you can clearly see it in the last months if you watch and read him). I never cheered for Stephano, because Stephano next to Naniwa seems soulless (Stephano openly stated several times that he plays for money, while Naniwa states that Starcraft is his passion). (It's not true for me. Even if it's true for others then is this a reason to hate Naniwa or these others? No way.)
It's believe it's true that Naniwa was forced to leave his parents' house at one point, back when he played WC3. He's talked about this numerous times, in Real Talk with JP and, I think, in Thorin's "Grilled" interview series. You should watch them if you haven't.
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On November 08 2013 22:48 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 22:41 pms wrote:On November 08 2013 22:22 sithvincent wrote:On November 08 2013 22:15 pms wrote:On November 08 2013 22:10 sithvincent wrote:
In this thread: Naniwa is not hyped up enough. I want more hype! And make him more positive! Ignore his bad sides please cause we all want only to know the best there is about him! No, leverage good and bad. Not just bad. What I saw: 'Two years we saw the best of NaNiwa, even as he fell just short of being crowned champion of the world. This time around, he can make that final step.' Is this conclusion to the article that summarises everything anywhere near negative? 'He cares only about the game (paraphrased)' Urm you want to know who cares only about the game? Absolutely most of the so called 'emotionless' Koreans now reigning at the top of the chart. When they play, what they are focused on is the beauty of the game and how it plays out, and that's how they are enthralled, and that's what makes them champions. Teamliquid is describing Naniwa as having a characteristics of a champion. I feel like if people would get pass the knee jerk reaction of 'oh no this is the only true foreigner in Blizzcon he must be hyped to a demigod status write only good things about him please' you will see that not only is this article very true about Naniwa, it is actually making an incredibly strong good statement about him - He is, at heart, a Champion who does not give a fuck about how you view him. And also, judging from how Naniwa is easily thrown under everyone's feet when he is not being the foreigner flag carrier we can also deduce that people do not like him as a person. They like him as an abstraction of their hopes. This abstraction could be anybody - Scarlett, TLO, a dog - what people care about is the flag carrier and the flag carrier itself, not the human behind it. And this is the result of Nani not reaching out to his fans enough. This is simply not true, not for me. I like him because of his personality, because he went through a lot, starting from having problems with his family because of playing computer games (I've read somewhere that his parents made him leave his home because of this, but I don't know if this is confirmed), following problems with numerous teams because of his bad manner and behavior (he was thrown out many times), to the point when now he is among the best, and he is improving his mindset thanks to his devotion and damn hard work (you can clearly see it in the last months if you watch and read him). I never cheered for Stephano, because Stephano next to Naniwa seems soulless (Stephano openly stated several times that he plays for money, while Naniwa states that Starcraft is his passion). (It's not true for me. Even if it's true for others then is this a reason to hate Naniwa or these others? No way.) It's true that Naniwa was forced to leave his parents' house at one point, back when he played WC3. He's talked about this numerous time, in Real Talk with JP and, I think, in Thorin's "Grilled" interview series. You should watch them if you haven't.
Thanks Zealously, you're slowly making it up for your write-up 
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On November 08 2013 22:48 iloveav wrote:
So basicly there are people who dont like Naniwa cus he is sincere about what he thinks (even if he might be rude at times)?
I assume thats why I have so few friends as well :D.
Oh yes, it's a really bad trait to have!
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[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 22:44 Ohforfsake wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 22:28 coloursheep wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 22:17 Ohforfsake wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 21:47 coloursheep wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 21:36 Ohforfsake wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 21:29 coloursheep wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 21:18 Siphonn wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 21:11 coloursheep wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 21:00 hansonslee wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 20:57 coloursheep wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 20:49 hansonslee wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 20:44 coloursheep wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 20:15 hansonslee wrote:
Here's my take on NaNiwa:
I was about to make a thread, but I did not want to create a scene, so I will post my article here!
[img]http://imgur.com/QSw7qxI[/img]
Naniwa: "There's No Greater Price and Reward Than Victory!"
+ Show Spoiler +Note: I understand that Zealously has written an article about him, but sadly, unlike his past articles, that article has exhibited poor quality in terms of depiction of NaNiwa. The points that article are true; however, it's the omission of other important facts that creates a very skewed picture of NaNiwa. I understand that I am not a TL writer. However, some people were eager to hear how the TL would treat NaNiwa, and these people especially NaNiwa deserve better. A lot of harsh criticism has compelled me to write an article about NaNiwa to cater to those who felt unsatisfied. If I have offended anyone, I greatly apologize.
There is more to NaNiwa than being the "foreign hope" of BlizzCon. He represents many other archetypes that cannot be simply listed. When Starcraft 2 was at its infancy, NaNiwa was notorious for being a dangerous 1 base cheeser with a very obnoxious attitude. Such behavior has forced NaNiwa to exhibit commitment issues with different teams. But then, when MLG Dallas 2011 was looming in the corner, the State of the Game hosts such as Nony saw NaNiwa's play on stream and quivered in fear. How can this random kid be so good?
Even with his clean victory in MLG Dallas 2011, NaNiwa was not satisfied with his victory, and the Koreans were next on his hit list. When MLG Providence arrived, NaNiwa defeated the two Incredible Miracle kings of Liberty Mvp and Nestea. Due to NaNiwa's impressive play that placed him 2nd against Leenock, GOMtv has decided to invite him Blizzard Cup.
However, every glorious victory comes at a price. NaNiwa's obsessive ambition to win has cemented his downfall time to time. When he had no chance of advancing from the group stages, NaNiwa decided to insult his integrity by probe rushing against Nestea. People were shocked not only because of NaNiwa's blatant disrespect of his opponent but also because of how the anticipated rivalry between Nestea and NaNiwa had an extremely anti-climatic ending.
In addition to NaNiwa's bad sportsmanship, NaNiwa might have developed some sort of overconfidence resulting from his bounty kills of famous Koreans and paid the price. NaNiwa had an extreme grudge against the Zerg match up and dismissed a lot of the Zerg players he lost against for playing an "OP race". This mentality has compelled NaNiwa to underestimate his Zerg opponents and lost when he was considered to be the heavy favorite. NaNiwa also has shown some stubbornness in some of his games. He sometimes would scout late and lose to Mvp's and Flash's 1 base cheese. His mantra "Forge Fast Expand or Die", which was considered to be his favorite build, was also exploited when he played against Leenock. In a sense, Bane would be correct to say to NaNiwa that "victory has defeated you".
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Despite the costs of his toxic mentality, NaNiwa was still an inspiring figure to some people not just because he beats Koreans, but because NaNiwa wanted to win despite all odds against him. Unlike EG legends like HuK, Idra, Stephano, and ThorZain, NaNiwa continued to train in Korea and change up his playstyle whenever he needed to. Throughout his WCS journey, NaNiwa has shown a diverse set of builds with crisp execution. For example, NaNiwa's void ray composition is considered unthinkable against the Zerg's hydralisk composition. Yet, NaNiwa makes it work and has introduced Void Rays as a versatile unit and less of a corruptor buster. Since NaNiwa is not much of a socializer, we can assume that such extraordinary gameplay comes from NaNiwa's dedication and determination to win, which rivals to those of his Korean counterparts.
Furthermore, NaNiwa's strength is to his ability to analyze his players and come up with different tactics to show us memorable games. For example, in his recent games against Hyun, NaNiwa has opened a cheese against Hyun in the ace match. The reason for his decision was NaNiwa wanted to use a different build order to punish Hyun's greedy playstyle, which NaNiwa guessed correctly. This depth of analysis reminds us of how foreigners like Stephano can become clutch players and make epic comebacks against massive deficits.
Finally, his chances of getting into BlizzCon epitomize how NaNiwa is the player who dares to challenges against all odds. When NaNiwa lost disgracefully against Targa, his chances to BlizzCon were slim. Even, the Starcraft 2 community believed that NaNiwa should place well in Dreamhack Bucharest and IEM New York to secure his spot. However, instead of rushing for the points, NaNiwa ditch Dreamhack and carefully and intensively prepared for his IEM New York. This sacrifice earned him second place, which did not give him the amount of points to stay on the safe zone. However, it seems that the stars smiled upon NaNiwa's diligence and granted him the opportunity to prove himself against Revival. NaNiwa did not disappoint and crushed Revival with constant two base aggression, which demonstrates his flexibility as a player.
As seen from his journey from the Wings of Liberty to the BlizzCon, it is not enough to depict NaNiwa as the foreign hope. NaNiwa is hope! With a tarnished resume displaying his unprofessional behavior and occasional mediocre play, NaNiwa has achieved the unthinkable by storming tournaments with miraculous victories and finally found an Alliance that would welcome him with open arms and maintain his relevance in the progaming scene. As of now, we see that NaNiwa has began to exhibit a better attitude and approach to the game. Although the winning mentality has mortally cursed NaNiwa, that same spell has empowered NaNiwa to become the very reason to perhaps hope that he will realize the ultimate rewards of absolute victory.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how you can see Naniwa making it to Blizzcon as epitomising how he is the player who dares to challenge against all odds when the fact is that Naniwa made it to Blizzcon on the back of miraculous luck and incredible failures of many other players that were in a position to easily overtake him. What you describe sounds like what MC did to make it to Blizzcon. In fact they both started season 3 with similar points and both needed to perform well or risk not making it to the finals. MC performed when he needed to, especially when he was one game away from elimination against Thorzain and was able to guarantee his place on the back of his own performance, Naniwa on the other hand flamed out and had to rely on many things going his way to even have a chance to make it. [/QUOTE]
The thing is how NaNiwa continued to try, even though his chances were slim. Also, I even said that his attitude is responsible for his downfall, and I definitely agree that his loss against Targa was his fault for underestimating Targa. There's a reason why I called him "Hope". It's because there was some miracles behind it. Look, I definitely agree that there are way better Protosses (Rain and Parting) than he, but the funny thing is how NaNiwa was able to succeed even though his chances were narrow. Also, if you read my piece, you would realize how NaNiwa is fine with being the dark horse (in his own right). NaNiwa's journey is one of a kind, and I think that should have been capitalized.[/QUOTE]
If they capitalised on how his run was unique it would have made his fans even more mad, would you have preferred the article to be titled the luckiest player in the world?
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I think miraculous would be the better title. Miracles can happen and can be viewed as a result of a good deed (like the Cinderella story). Luck is viewed to be much more indiscriminate. Same denotation but very different connotation![/QUOTE]
If miracles can be a result of a good deed I would have to say that based on his storied history Naniwa is one of the least deserving players of a miracle.
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Due to good deeds he isn't worthy, which is plausible because of his piss poor attitude at times. You have to realize how hard this guy works though, which makes me think he is worthy of deserving it.
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Every pro that made it to the finals works hard, they would not have made it if they didn't but none of them have Naniwa's history of bad manner, disrespecting other players, bad mouthing tournaments and throwing matches. I can respect Naniwa's persistence to a degree but there is no excuse for his behavior and the reaction that some of his fans bring to events that he is involved in (not referring to you or the previous poster) is toxic for the scene.
And to clarify, I did not say that he did not deserve to be at the finals, but that the "miracle" that occurred to allow Naniwa to advance could have gone to many more deserving players based on their "good deeds". [/QUOTE]
I'm just wondering here. What is your solution to this player? Force him to retire? Is that your wish? Should the organizers block him to participate in future tournaments? Or are you happy if everyone just hates him everywhere? What is a proper punishment to you?
Also, as a side question to this, can any person find redemption in your eyes? Or is it "You made a mistake! Your now banned out of my existance for all eternity!"?
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Let's start with everyone hating him, clearly that is not true based on any LR thread for a tournament that he competes in.
Should tournament organisers ban him? That's up to them and it's not my position to say what is best for the business but considering things like the probe rush or writing that MLG was a "fucking joke tournament" while the game screen was being shown to the entire crowd, any other similar occurances could you blame them?
What is the proper punishment?
You are painting me as some kind of authority for how a player show be treated in the entire scene and I don't know why. The only "punishment" I can give to Naniwa is personal, I don't support him simple as that. Anything relating to tournaments or the scene at large is not up to me.
Finally can someone find redemption in my eyes? Of course, they just have to show remorse for their previous actions which Naniwa has not done.[/QUOTE]
Your eyes seem to be very clouded by your own rightousness since you disregard his own words. I think it's hard for anyone to find redemption in your eyes. Personally I think Naniwa has shown many times during the last years that he strives to be better than his past. Step by step he is becoming more like a professional athlete even tho he has occational lapses.
But it's good to know where someone like you stands. You have a lot of opinions you like to share about Naniwa but you don't want to stand for them. Instead you hide behind excuses like stating you're not a authority figure etc when having to explain what you really think you're opinions should result in if everyone adopted them.
I'm dying to hear your opinion about Taeja and Polt now.. they should also be punished severely I take it?[/QUOTE]
My opinion is based on everything Naniwa has done since entering the scene. You say I disregard his own words, maybe I have not scene the interviews you are talking about, I would be happy to read anything you post from him.
I stand for my opinions by not supporting Naniwa, as a fan of the game that is all I am required to do, anything else is irrelevant.
I also stand for players respecting other players, the game, the tournament organisers and the fans. I have not seen Polt or Taeja doing anything close to the many things Naniwa has done, again if you want to show me something I may have missed that might change my opinion on them then I would be open to it.
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This is rich coming from someone with no quotes, links or anything remotely what you accuse me of yourself. I'm gonna write you off as a flame troll now and stop responding until you actually start bringing some meat to the conversation.
All I have done here is to point out how you handle someone based on your own bias from the past and not on actual actions lately. How you completely ignore the positive signs showed by this player and how you do not treat other players the same way dispite having a colourful past (research it yourself lazyboy).
I have written in past posts the well known examples of Naniwa's bad behavior and you are the one you said I was wrong. Therefore the burden of proff is on you but you have not provided any examples , or brought any meat to the discussion as you called it, to disprove my claim.
Sorry about the quote error, I wrote that message on my phone
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Why no King of the Norde title? Ha.
On November 08 2013 22:57 pms wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 22:48 iloveav wrote:
So basicly there are people who dont like Naniwa cus he is sincere about what he thinks (even if he might be rude at times)?
I assume thats why I have so few friends as well :D. Oh yes, it's a really bad trait to have!
There's such a thing called honesty and then brutal honesty. People don't like the latter. -.^
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NANIWA! NANIWA! NANIWA!
I don't understand how people can hate this guy. Everything that he does just exudes the competitive mindset. He is exactly what this scene needs.
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On November 08 2013 23:13 Jonas wrote:NANIWA! NANIWA! NANIWA! I don't understand how people can hate this guy. Everything that he does just exudes the competitive mindset. He is exactly what this scene needs.
Well from all the comments here you can see that people don't like TL talking about his incredibly competitive mindset.
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[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 23:08 coloursheep wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 22:44 Ohforfsake wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 22:28 coloursheep wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 22:17 Ohforfsake wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 21:47 coloursheep wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 21:36 Ohforfsake wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 21:29 coloursheep wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 21:18 Siphonn wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 21:11 coloursheep wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 21:00 hansonslee wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 20:57 coloursheep wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 20:49 hansonslee wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 20:44 coloursheep wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2013 20:15 hansonslee wrote:
Here's my take on NaNiwa:
I was about to make a thread, but I did not want to create a scene, so I will post my article here!
[img]http://imgur.com/QSw7qxI[/img]
Naniwa: "There's No Greater Price and Reward Than Victory!"
+ Show Spoiler +Note: I understand that Zealously has written an article about him, but sadly, unlike his past articles, that article has exhibited poor quality in terms of depiction of NaNiwa. The points that article are true; however, it's the omission of other important facts that creates a very skewed picture of NaNiwa. I understand that I am not a TL writer. However, some people were eager to hear how the TL would treat NaNiwa, and these people especially NaNiwa deserve better. A lot of harsh criticism has compelled me to write an article about NaNiwa to cater to those who felt unsatisfied. If I have offended anyone, I greatly apologize.
There is more to NaNiwa than being the "foreign hope" of BlizzCon. He represents many other archetypes that cannot be simply listed. When Starcraft 2 was at its infancy, NaNiwa was notorious for being a dangerous 1 base cheeser with a very obnoxious attitude. Such behavior has forced NaNiwa to exhibit commitment issues with different teams. But then, when MLG Dallas 2011 was looming in the corner, the State of the Game hosts such as Nony saw NaNiwa's play on stream and quivered in fear. How can this random kid be so good?
Even with his clean victory in MLG Dallas 2011, NaNiwa was not satisfied with his victory, and the Koreans were next on his hit list. When MLG Providence arrived, NaNiwa defeated the two Incredible Miracle kings of Liberty Mvp and Nestea. Due to NaNiwa's impressive play that placed him 2nd against Leenock, GOMtv has decided to invite him Blizzard Cup.
However, every glorious victory comes at a price. NaNiwa's obsessive ambition to win has cemented his downfall time to time. When he had no chance of advancing from the group stages, NaNiwa decided to insult his integrity by probe rushing against Nestea. People were shocked not only because of NaNiwa's blatant disrespect of his opponent but also because of how the anticipated rivalry between Nestea and NaNiwa had an extremely anti-climatic ending.
In addition to NaNiwa's bad sportsmanship, NaNiwa might have developed some sort of overconfidence resulting from his bounty kills of famous Koreans and paid the price. NaNiwa had an extreme grudge against the Zerg match up and dismissed a lot of the Zerg players he lost against for playing an "OP race". This mentality has compelled NaNiwa to underestimate his Zerg opponents and lost when he was considered to be the heavy favorite. NaNiwa also has shown some stubbornness in some of his games. He sometimes would scout late and lose to Mvp's and Flash's 1 base cheese. His mantra "Forge Fast Expand or Die", which was considered to be his favorite build, was also exploited when he played against Leenock. In a sense, Bane would be correct to say to NaNiwa that "victory has defeated you".
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Despite the costs of his toxic mentality, NaNiwa was still an inspiring figure to some people not just because he beats Koreans, but because NaNiwa wanted to win despite all odds against him. Unlike EG legends like HuK, Idra, Stephano, and ThorZain, NaNiwa continued to train in Korea and change up his playstyle whenever he needed to. Throughout his WCS journey, NaNiwa has shown a diverse set of builds with crisp execution. For example, NaNiwa's void ray composition is considered unthinkable against the Zerg's hydralisk composition. Yet, NaNiwa makes it work and has introduced Void Rays as a versatile unit and less of a corruptor buster. Since NaNiwa is not much of a socializer, we can assume that such extraordinary gameplay comes from NaNiwa's dedication and determination to win, which rivals to those of his Korean counterparts.
Furthermore, NaNiwa's strength is to his ability to analyze his players and come up with different tactics to show us memorable games. For example, in his recent games against Hyun, NaNiwa has opened a cheese against Hyun in the ace match. The reason for his decision was NaNiwa wanted to use a different build order to punish Hyun's greedy playstyle, which NaNiwa guessed correctly. This depth of analysis reminds us of how foreigners like Stephano can become clutch players and make epic comebacks against massive deficits.
Finally, his chances of getting into BlizzCon epitomize how NaNiwa is the player who dares to challenges against all odds. When NaNiwa lost disgracefully against Targa, his chances to BlizzCon were slim. Even, the Starcraft 2 community believed that NaNiwa should place well in Dreamhack Bucharest and IEM New York to secure his spot. However, instead of rushing for the points, NaNiwa ditch Dreamhack and carefully and intensively prepared for his IEM New York. This sacrifice earned him second place, which did not give him the amount of points to stay on the safe zone. However, it seems that the stars smiled upon NaNiwa's diligence and granted him the opportunity to prove himself against Revival. NaNiwa did not disappoint and crushed Revival with constant two base aggression, which demonstrates his flexibility as a player.
As seen from his journey from the Wings of Liberty to the BlizzCon, it is not enough to depict NaNiwa as the foreign hope. NaNiwa is hope! With a tarnished resume displaying his unprofessional behavior and occasional mediocre play, NaNiwa has achieved the unthinkable by storming tournaments with miraculous victories and finally found an Alliance that would welcome him with open arms and maintain his relevance in the progaming scene. As of now, we see that NaNiwa has began to exhibit a better attitude and approach to the game. Although the winning mentality has mortally cursed NaNiwa, that same spell has empowered NaNiwa to become the very reason to perhaps hope that he will realize the ultimate rewards of absolute victory.[/QUOTE]
I don't know how you can see Naniwa making it to Blizzcon as epitomising how he is the player who dares to challenge against all odds when the fact is that Naniwa made it to Blizzcon on the back of miraculous luck and incredible failures of many other players that were in a position to easily overtake him. What you describe sounds like what MC did to make it to Blizzcon. In fact they both started season 3 with similar points and both needed to perform well or risk not making it to the finals. MC performed when he needed to, especially when he was one game away from elimination against Thorzain and was able to guarantee his place on the back of his own performance, Naniwa on the other hand flamed out and had to rely on many things going his way to even have a chance to make it. [/QUOTE]
The thing is how NaNiwa continued to try, even though his chances were slim. Also, I even said that his attitude is responsible for his downfall, and I definitely agree that his loss against Targa was his fault for underestimating Targa. There's a reason why I called him "Hope". It's because there was some miracles behind it. Look, I definitely agree that there are way better Protosses (Rain and Parting) than he, but the funny thing is how NaNiwa was able to succeed even though his chances were narrow. Also, if you read my piece, you would realize how NaNiwa is fine with being the dark horse (in his own right). NaNiwa's journey is one of a kind, and I think that should have been capitalized.[/QUOTE]
If they capitalised on how his run was unique it would have made his fans even more mad, would you have preferred the article to be titled the luckiest player in the world?
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I think miraculous would be the better title. Miracles can happen and can be viewed as a result of a good deed (like the Cinderella story). Luck is viewed to be much more indiscriminate. Same denotation but very different connotation![/QUOTE]
If miracles can be a result of a good deed I would have to say that based on his storied history Naniwa is one of the least deserving players of a miracle.
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Due to good deeds he isn't worthy, which is plausible because of his piss poor attitude at times. You have to realize how hard this guy works though, which makes me think he is worthy of deserving it.
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Every pro that made it to the finals works hard, they would not have made it if they didn't but none of them have Naniwa's history of bad manner, disrespecting other players, bad mouthing tournaments and throwing matches. I can respect Naniwa's persistence to a degree but there is no excuse for his behavior and the reaction that some of his fans bring to events that he is involved in (not referring to you or the previous poster) is toxic for the scene.
And to clarify, I did not say that he did not deserve to be at the finals, but that the "miracle" that occurred to allow Naniwa to advance could have gone to many more deserving players based on their "good deeds". [/QUOTE]
I'm just wondering here. What is your solution to this player? Force him to retire? Is that your wish? Should the organizers block him to participate in future tournaments? Or are you happy if everyone just hates him everywhere? What is a proper punishment to you?
Also, as a side question to this, can any person find redemption in your eyes? Or is it "You made a mistake! Your now banned out of my existance for all eternity!"?
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Let's start with everyone hating him, clearly that is not true based on any LR thread for a tournament that he competes in.
Should tournament organisers ban him? That's up to them and it's not my position to say what is best for the business but considering things like the probe rush or writing that MLG was a "fucking joke tournament" while the game screen was being shown to the entire crowd, any other similar occurances could you blame them?
What is the proper punishment?
You are painting me as some kind of authority for how a player show be treated in the entire scene and I don't know why. The only "punishment" I can give to Naniwa is personal, I don't support him simple as that. Anything relating to tournaments or the scene at large is not up to me.
Finally can someone find redemption in my eyes? Of course, they just have to show remorse for their previous actions which Naniwa has not done.[/QUOTE]
Your eyes seem to be very clouded by your own rightousness since you disregard his own words. I think it's hard for anyone to find redemption in your eyes. Personally I think Naniwa has shown many times during the last years that he strives to be better than his past. Step by step he is becoming more like a professional athlete even tho he has occational lapses.
But it's good to know where someone like you stands. You have a lot of opinions you like to share about Naniwa but you don't want to stand for them. Instead you hide behind excuses like stating you're not a authority figure etc when having to explain what you really think you're opinions should result in if everyone adopted them.
I'm dying to hear your opinion about Taeja and Polt now.. they should also be punished severely I take it?[/QUOTE]
My opinion is based on everything Naniwa has done since entering the scene. You say I disregard his own words, maybe I have not scene the interviews you are talking about, I would be happy to read anything you post from him.
I stand for my opinions by not supporting Naniwa, as a fan of the game that is all I am required to do, anything else is irrelevant.
I also stand for players respecting other players, the game, the tournament organisers and the fans. I have not seen Polt or Taeja doing anything close to the many things Naniwa has done, again if you want to show me something I may have missed that might change my opinion on them then I would be open to it.
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This is rich coming from someone with no quotes, links or anything remotely what you accuse me of yourself. I'm gonna write you off as a flame troll now and stop responding until you actually start bringing some meat to the conversation.
All I have done here is to point out how you handle someone based on your own bias from the past and not on actual actions lately. How you completely ignore the positive signs showed by this player and how you do not treat other players the same way dispite having a colourful past (research it yourself lazyboy).
I have written in past posts the well known examples of Naniwa's bad behavior and you are the one you said I was wrong. Therefore the burden of proff is on you but you have not provided any examples , or brought any meat to the discussion as you called it, to disprove my claim.
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I just reread it all. You have no sources, links or anything like it. Only your own words which you now advocate as proof. Note that this is about you stating him showing no remorse whatsoever over his actions and no signs of improvement. Which was your own stated requirement for redemption in your eyes. Not about him doing bad things 2011.
It is you throwing around your opinion of Naniwa being toxic for the scene here. The burden of proof is not on me.
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Also, I'm restraining myself from using the word 'Naniwa circlejerk brigade' but the amount of people coming to criticize this article in an act of righteous posturing when in truth the article describes Naniwa's champion mentality perfectly well is funny. It's almost as if TL must write a 5 page article or give wayyyy more attention to Naniwa than other champions for people to get satisfied.
This is the problem of different expectations. When TL writes a similar length article for other players people feel that they hyped them up but when the same accurate journalism comes here people are all like 'No No this is not good enough we must not view him as a human with flaws but with a good mentality but as a flawless demigod instead'.
You know who got the shit treatment as well? MC. You can biasedly say that he is written off as a money grabbing whore and someone whose 'chapter is closed' (check out their conclusion) and get angry about it....but no one did. Write something negative about Naniwa and everybody's like 'WHERE ARE HIS GOOD POINTS? TL BIASED'
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I also don't understand the lack of a title for Naniwa..... and it really, really bugs me
Other than that, I liked the article.
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Lol naniwa circle jerk brigade describes this thread extremely well
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A very nice and cool guy + Show Spoiler +when he is winning... try to get a photo with him after he lost his games vs Life in IEM NY
Anyways, GOOD LUCK NANIWA!
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On November 08 2013 23:21 sithvincent wrote:
Also, I'm restraining myself from using the word 'Naniwa circlejerk brigade' but the amount of people coming to criticize this article in an act of righteous posturing when in truth the article describes Naniwa's champion mentality perfectly well is funny. It's almost as if TL must write a 5 page article or give wayyyy more attention to Naniwa than other champions for people to get satisfied.
This is the problem of different expectations. When TL writes a similar length article for other players people feel that they hyped them up but when the same accurate journalism comes here people are all like 'No No this is not good enough we must not view him as a human with flaws but with a good mentality but as a flawless demigod instead'.
You know who got the shit treatment as well? MC. You can biasedly say that he is written off as a money grabbing whore and someone whose 'chapter is closed' (check out their conclusion) and get angry about it....but no one did. Write something negative about Naniwa and everybody's like 'WHERE ARE HIS GOOD POINTS? TL BIASED'
I think the only problem TL writers have here is the lack of title. That is a clear indication for everyone even viewing it at glance of a different treatment from the other players (that might or might not be true). If you would just give him a title like say "The Road to Redemption" "The King of the North" or just "Underdog" I think most people wouldn't notice any bias. This lack of title is just too visible and shows a different treatment from the other players and that's not okey.
So, TL writers, to put a stop to this endless complaining, just give the guy a title like the rest.
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