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On November 08 2013 23:33 Ohforfsake wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 23:21 sithvincent wrote:
Also, I'm restraining myself from using the word 'Naniwa circlejerk brigade' but the amount of people coming to criticize this article in an act of righteous posturing when in truth the article describes Naniwa's champion mentality perfectly well is funny. It's almost as if TL must write a 5 page article or give wayyyy more attention to Naniwa than other champions for people to get satisfied.
This is the problem of different expectations. When TL writes a similar length article for other players people feel that they hyped them up but when the same accurate journalism comes here people are all like 'No No this is not good enough we must not view him as a human with flaws but with a good mentality but as a flawless demigod instead'.
You know who got the shit treatment as well? MC. You can biasedly say that he is written off as a money grabbing whore and someone whose 'chapter is closed' (check out their conclusion) and get angry about it....but no one did. Write something negative about Naniwa and everybody's like 'WHERE ARE HIS GOOD POINTS? TL BIASED' I think the only problem TL writers have here is the lack of title. That is a clear indication for everyone even viewing it at glance of a different treatment from the other players (that might or might not be true). If you would just give him a title like say "The Road to Redemption" "The King of the North" or just "Underdog" I think most people wouldn't notice any bias. This lack of title is just too visible and shows a different treatment from the other players and that's not okey. So, TL writers, to put a stop to this endless complaining, just give the guy a title like the rest. 
I agree on this though. Just change the title. People are irrational beings, and they will perceive a lot of things from a small slight to them/their object of positive attention. The King in the North or just The Foreign King would sound sexy as fuck.
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Not sure how I feel about Naniwa in this... On the one hand, he's obviously a great player who is driven to win. But, his personality (or lack thereof?) rubs me the wrong way. Throw in the fact that he's the only non-korean, and I'm really torn =\
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You guys have all been meta-articled: This whole thread is the Naniwa preview. : o
On November 08 2013 23:35 sithvincent wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 23:33 Ohforfsake wrote:On November 08 2013 23:21 sithvincent wrote:
Also, I'm restraining myself from using the word 'Naniwa circlejerk brigade' but the amount of people coming to criticize this article in an act of righteous posturing when in truth the article describes Naniwa's champion mentality perfectly well is funny. It's almost as if TL must write a 5 page article or give wayyyy more attention to Naniwa than other champions for people to get satisfied.
This is the problem of different expectations. When TL writes a similar length article for other players people feel that they hyped them up but when the same accurate journalism comes here people are all like 'No No this is not good enough we must not view him as a human with flaws but with a good mentality but as a flawless demigod instead'.
You know who got the shit treatment as well? MC. You can biasedly say that he is written off as a money grabbing whore and someone whose 'chapter is closed' (check out their conclusion) and get angry about it....but no one did. Write something negative about Naniwa and everybody's like 'WHERE ARE HIS GOOD POINTS? TL BIASED' I think the only problem TL writers have here is the lack of title. That is a clear indication for everyone even viewing it at glance of a different treatment from the other players (that might or might not be true). If you would just give him a title like say "The Road to Redemption" "The King of the North" or just "Underdog" I think most people wouldn't notice any bias. This lack of title is just too visible and shows a different treatment from the other players and that's not okey. So, TL writers, to put a stop to this endless complaining, just give the guy a title like the rest. I agree on this though. Just change the title. People are irrational beings, and they will perceive a lot of things from a small slight to them/their object of positive attention. The King in the North or just The Foreign King would sound sexy as fuck.
I think Naniwa not having a title is actually a rather strong title in itself; it distinguished him from the other attendees.
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On November 08 2013 22:24 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 22:14 Muffloe wrote:
I don't really think the article is bad, although I think it would better for the tournament if we hyped the foriegner alittle more. Thats about all. Somewhere i got the feeling that is exactly what they tried to avoid. "Yea, this person has a different skin color then the rest, hype!".
Yeah, it would be alittle generic, but for the sake of maximum hype I feel like this is the perfect time for glorifying write ups ^^
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On November 08 2013 23:35 sithvincent wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 23:33 Ohforfsake wrote:On November 08 2013 23:21 sithvincent wrote:
Also, I'm restraining myself from using the word 'Naniwa circlejerk brigade' but the amount of people coming to criticize this article in an act of righteous posturing when in truth the article describes Naniwa's champion mentality perfectly well is funny. It's almost as if TL must write a 5 page article or give wayyyy more attention to Naniwa than other champions for people to get satisfied.
This is the problem of different expectations. When TL writes a similar length article for other players people feel that they hyped them up but when the same accurate journalism comes here people are all like 'No No this is not good enough we must not view him as a human with flaws but with a good mentality but as a flawless demigod instead'.
You know who got the shit treatment as well? MC. You can biasedly say that he is written off as a money grabbing whore and someone whose 'chapter is closed' (check out their conclusion) and get angry about it....but no one did. Write something negative about Naniwa and everybody's like 'WHERE ARE HIS GOOD POINTS? TL BIASED' I think the only problem TL writers have here is the lack of title. That is a clear indication for everyone even viewing it at glance of a different treatment from the other players (that might or might not be true). If you would just give him a title like say "The Road to Redemption" "The King of the North" or just "Underdog" I think most people wouldn't notice any bias. This lack of title is just too visible and shows a different treatment from the other players and that's not okey. So, TL writers, to put a stop to this endless complaining, just give the guy a title like the rest. I agree on this though. Just change the title. People are irrational beings, and they will perceive a lot of things from a small slight to them/their object of positive attention. The King in the North or just The Foreign King would sound sexy as fuck.
It's not just the lack of a title, it's the lack of a story. The other articles (including the ones Zealously wrote) all paint a picture of the players path to Blizzcon by telling a story emphasizing some particular trait of that player. That's how the writer makes the player relatable and builds hype. For some reason this article didn't do that, so it comes off as bland and impersonal if not biased. Might have just been the time crunch at work here, but who knows. Hopefully Zealously can take the feedback in this thread and use it to improve his future articles.
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On November 08 2013 23:57 Iceman331 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 23:35 sithvincent wrote:On November 08 2013 23:33 Ohforfsake wrote:On November 08 2013 23:21 sithvincent wrote:
Also, I'm restraining myself from using the word 'Naniwa circlejerk brigade' but the amount of people coming to criticize this article in an act of righteous posturing when in truth the article describes Naniwa's champion mentality perfectly well is funny. It's almost as if TL must write a 5 page article or give wayyyy more attention to Naniwa than other champions for people to get satisfied.
This is the problem of different expectations. When TL writes a similar length article for other players people feel that they hyped them up but when the same accurate journalism comes here people are all like 'No No this is not good enough we must not view him as a human with flaws but with a good mentality but as a flawless demigod instead'.
You know who got the shit treatment as well? MC. You can biasedly say that he is written off as a money grabbing whore and someone whose 'chapter is closed' (check out their conclusion) and get angry about it....but no one did. Write something negative about Naniwa and everybody's like 'WHERE ARE HIS GOOD POINTS? TL BIASED' I think the only problem TL writers have here is the lack of title. That is a clear indication for everyone even viewing it at glance of a different treatment from the other players (that might or might not be true). If you would just give him a title like say "The Road to Redemption" "The King of the North" or just "Underdog" I think most people wouldn't notice any bias. This lack of title is just too visible and shows a different treatment from the other players and that's not okey. So, TL writers, to put a stop to this endless complaining, just give the guy a title like the rest. I agree on this though. Just change the title. People are irrational beings, and they will perceive a lot of things from a small slight to them/their object of positive attention. The King in the North or just The Foreign King would sound sexy as fuck. It's not just the lack of a title, it's the lack of a story. The other articles (including the ones Zealously wrote) all paint a picture of the players path to Blizzcon by telling a story emphasizing some particular trait of that player. That's how the writer makes the player relatable and builds hype. For some reason this article didn't do that, so it comes off as bland and impersonal if not biased. Might have just been the time crunch at work here, but who knows. Hopefully Zealously can take the feedback in this thread and use it to improve his future articles.
I think the article is fine, it's just the irrational expectations from some people.
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On November 08 2013 23:59 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 23:57 Iceman331 wrote:On November 08 2013 23:35 sithvincent wrote:On November 08 2013 23:33 Ohforfsake wrote:On November 08 2013 23:21 sithvincent wrote:
Also, I'm restraining myself from using the word 'Naniwa circlejerk brigade' but the amount of people coming to criticize this article in an act of righteous posturing when in truth the article describes Naniwa's champion mentality perfectly well is funny. It's almost as if TL must write a 5 page article or give wayyyy more attention to Naniwa than other champions for people to get satisfied.
This is the problem of different expectations. When TL writes a similar length article for other players people feel that they hyped them up but when the same accurate journalism comes here people are all like 'No No this is not good enough we must not view him as a human with flaws but with a good mentality but as a flawless demigod instead'.
You know who got the shit treatment as well? MC. You can biasedly say that he is written off as a money grabbing whore and someone whose 'chapter is closed' (check out their conclusion) and get angry about it....but no one did. Write something negative about Naniwa and everybody's like 'WHERE ARE HIS GOOD POINTS? TL BIASED' I think the only problem TL writers have here is the lack of title. That is a clear indication for everyone even viewing it at glance of a different treatment from the other players (that might or might not be true). If you would just give him a title like say "The Road to Redemption" "The King of the North" or just "Underdog" I think most people wouldn't notice any bias. This lack of title is just too visible and shows a different treatment from the other players and that's not okey. So, TL writers, to put a stop to this endless complaining, just give the guy a title like the rest. I agree on this though. Just change the title. People are irrational beings, and they will perceive a lot of things from a small slight to them/their object of positive attention. The King in the North or just The Foreign King would sound sexy as fuck. It's not just the lack of a title, it's the lack of a story. The other articles (including the ones Zealously wrote) all paint a picture of the players path to Blizzcon by telling a story emphasizing some particular trait of that player. That's how the writer makes the player relatable and builds hype. For some reason this article didn't do that, so it comes off as bland and impersonal if not biased. Might have just been the time crunch at work here, but who knows. Hopefully Zealously can take the feedback in this thread and use it to improve his future articles. I think the article is fine, it's just the irrational expectations from some people.
Still doesn't explain the lack of a title.
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shame that naniwa wasn't last as he was the last one to qualify, would be so much better in hype
great article tough!
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Too much heartbreak to root for nani against soulkey, but I can't stop hoping.
I don't like the way nani has acted in the past, but he's stayed a progamer in some of the bleakest positions possible and still finds a way to hold a torch for foreigners. He's on a stable team now, he's gotten a lot healthier in his attitude and expectations, and he still wants to win so badly. He's gone from someone whose play I can respect into someone I'd be happy to see win Blizzcon
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On November 08 2013 23:59 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 23:57 Iceman331 wrote:On November 08 2013 23:35 sithvincent wrote:On November 08 2013 23:33 Ohforfsake wrote:On November 08 2013 23:21 sithvincent wrote:
Also, I'm restraining myself from using the word 'Naniwa circlejerk brigade' but the amount of people coming to criticize this article in an act of righteous posturing when in truth the article describes Naniwa's champion mentality perfectly well is funny. It's almost as if TL must write a 5 page article or give wayyyy more attention to Naniwa than other champions for people to get satisfied.
This is the problem of different expectations. When TL writes a similar length article for other players people feel that they hyped them up but when the same accurate journalism comes here people are all like 'No No this is not good enough we must not view him as a human with flaws but with a good mentality but as a flawless demigod instead'.
You know who got the shit treatment as well? MC. You can biasedly say that he is written off as a money grabbing whore and someone whose 'chapter is closed' (check out their conclusion) and get angry about it....but no one did. Write something negative about Naniwa and everybody's like 'WHERE ARE HIS GOOD POINTS? TL BIASED' I think the only problem TL writers have here is the lack of title. That is a clear indication for everyone even viewing it at glance of a different treatment from the other players (that might or might not be true). If you would just give him a title like say "The Road to Redemption" "The King of the North" or just "Underdog" I think most people wouldn't notice any bias. This lack of title is just too visible and shows a different treatment from the other players and that's not okey. So, TL writers, to put a stop to this endless complaining, just give the guy a title like the rest. I agree on this though. Just change the title. People are irrational beings, and they will perceive a lot of things from a small slight to them/their object of positive attention. The King in the North or just The Foreign King would sound sexy as fuck. It's not just the lack of a title, it's the lack of a story. The other articles (including the ones Zealously wrote) all paint a picture of the players path to Blizzcon by telling a story emphasizing some particular trait of that player. That's how the writer makes the player relatable and builds hype. For some reason this article didn't do that, so it comes off as bland and impersonal if not biased. Might have just been the time crunch at work here, but who knows. Hopefully Zealously can take the feedback in this thread and use it to improve his future articles. I think the article is fine, it's just the irrational expectations from some people.
How is it irrational if those expectations have been formed and based upon 14 other articles in the same series? It's as rational as it gets.
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You can't have a thread pertaining to naniwa without a lot of people up in arms. The article was fine. The people that like to associate cheering for foreigners with racism really bum me out.
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Ohhhhh shit, this is going to be sick. One foreigner to rule them all, and in California bind them!
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On November 08 2013 20:11 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Title: Agent Provocateur
Not sure if not gotten, ignored by shame or just simply ignored. 
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So many nerdchills!
Go NaNi!
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- Wrong topic -
GO NANIWA :D
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Naniwa=hope that players that aren't from Korea can play at the highest level. I really hope he does well. Would be huge to see if he can make a sick run through and honestly great for SC 2.
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Can't wait to see Naniwa get knocked out by Soulkey :D
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On November 08 2013 16:02 Advantageous wrote:
I seriously find so much negativity in the last couple of articles: MC, EG.Alive, now NaNiwa... but regardless (i expected better from TL...) NaNiwa fighting! The one foreigner to stand his ground against this Korean invasion!
I think what you're missing out on is the feeling of "Yes, there are problems with this player because of personality/inconsistency/lack of recognition, but dammit, Blizzcon is his chance to overcome that hurdle."
The struggle against negativity and adversity is what makes these stories compelling.
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On November 09 2013 00:01 CreationSoul wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2013 23:59 Whatson wrote:On November 08 2013 23:57 Iceman331 wrote:On November 08 2013 23:35 sithvincent wrote:On November 08 2013 23:33 Ohforfsake wrote:On November 08 2013 23:21 sithvincent wrote:
Also, I'm restraining myself from using the word 'Naniwa circlejerk brigade' but the amount of people coming to criticize this article in an act of righteous posturing when in truth the article describes Naniwa's champion mentality perfectly well is funny. It's almost as if TL must write a 5 page article or give wayyyy more attention to Naniwa than other champions for people to get satisfied.
This is the problem of different expectations. When TL writes a similar length article for other players people feel that they hyped them up but when the same accurate journalism comes here people are all like 'No No this is not good enough we must not view him as a human with flaws but with a good mentality but as a flawless demigod instead'.
You know who got the shit treatment as well? MC. You can biasedly say that he is written off as a money grabbing whore and someone whose 'chapter is closed' (check out their conclusion) and get angry about it....but no one did. Write something negative about Naniwa and everybody's like 'WHERE ARE HIS GOOD POINTS? TL BIASED' I think the only problem TL writers have here is the lack of title. That is a clear indication for everyone even viewing it at glance of a different treatment from the other players (that might or might not be true). If you would just give him a title like say "The Road to Redemption" "The King of the North" or just "Underdog" I think most people wouldn't notice any bias. This lack of title is just too visible and shows a different treatment from the other players and that's not okey. So, TL writers, to put a stop to this endless complaining, just give the guy a title like the rest. I agree on this though. Just change the title. People are irrational beings, and they will perceive a lot of things from a small slight to them/their object of positive attention. The King in the North or just The Foreign King would sound sexy as fuck. It's not just the lack of a title, it's the lack of a story. The other articles (including the ones Zealously wrote) all paint a picture of the players path to Blizzcon by telling a story emphasizing some particular trait of that player. That's how the writer makes the player relatable and builds hype. For some reason this article didn't do that, so it comes off as bland and impersonal if not biased. Might have just been the time crunch at work here, but who knows. Hopefully Zealously can take the feedback in this thread and use it to improve his future articles. I think the article is fine, it's just the irrational expectations from some people. Still doesn't explain the lack of a title.
I think the lack of a title is very obvious.
It's the writer's way of saying that Naniwa doesn't need or want a title - he's Naniwa.
Naniwa is his own title.
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