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[A]NaNiwa - Road to Blizzcon #15 - Page 9

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ThePlagueJG
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden1010 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-08 11:15:11
November 08 2013 11:14 GMT
#161
On November 08 2013 20:07 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 20:04 ThePlagueJG wrote:
On November 08 2013 20:03 Zealously wrote:
Hey guys imagine if Naniwa wins Blizzcon


I would be drunk somewhere downtown and would probably forget what happened.



Not me, I hate Naniwa

/s


Just to make sure, I mean I would forget this weekend as a whole, your article is good!
ThorZaIN | NaNiwa | SaSe | PartinG | sOs | Jaedong | sOs restored passion!
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-08 11:19:51
November 08 2013 11:15 GMT
#162
Here's my take on NaNiwa:

I was about to make a thread, but I did not want to create a scene, so I will post my article here!

[image loading]


Naniwa: "There's No Greater Price and Reward Than Victory!"

+ Show Spoiler +
Note: I understand that Zealously has written an article about him, but sadly, unlike his past articles, that article has exhibited poor quality in terms of depiction of NaNiwa. The points that article are true; however, it's the omission of other important facts that creates a very skewed picture of NaNiwa. I understand that I am not a TL writer. However, some people were eager to hear how the TL would treat NaNiwa, and these people especially NaNiwa deserve better. A lot of harsh criticism has compelled me to write an article about NaNiwa to cater to those who felt unsatisfied. If I have offended anyone, I greatly apologize.


There is more to NaNiwa than being the "foreign hope" of BlizzCon. He represents many other archetypes that cannot be simply listed. When Starcraft 2 was at its infancy, NaNiwa was notorious for being a dangerous 1 base cheeser with a very obnoxious attitude. Such behavior has forced NaNiwa to exhibit commitment issues with different teams. But then, when MLG Dallas 2011 was looming in the corner, the State of the Game hosts such as Nony saw NaNiwa's play on stream and quivered in fear. How can this random kid be so good?

Even with his clean victory in MLG Dallas 2011, NaNiwa was not satisfied with his victory, and the Koreans were next on his hit list. When MLG Providence arrived, NaNiwa defeated the two Incredible Miracle kings of Liberty Mvp and Nestea. Due to NaNiwa's impressive play that placed him 2nd against Leenock, GOMtv has decided to invite him Blizzard Cup.

However, every glorious victory comes at a price. NaNiwa's obsessive ambition to win has cemented his downfall time to time. When he had no chance of advancing from the group stages, NaNiwa decided to insult his integrity by probe rushing against Nestea. People were shocked not only because of NaNiwa's blatant disrespect of his opponent but also because of how the anticipated rivalry between Nestea and NaNiwa had an extremely anti-climatic ending.

In addition to NaNiwa's bad sportsmanship, NaNiwa might have developed some sort of overconfidence resulting from his bounty kills of famous Koreans and paid the price. NaNiwa had an extreme grudge against the Zerg match up and dismissed a lot of the Zerg players he lost against for playing an "OP race". This mentality has compelled NaNiwa to underestimate his Zerg opponents and lost when he was considered to be the heavy favorite. NaNiwa also has shown some stubbornness in some of his games. He sometimes would scout late and lose to Mvp's and Flash's 1 base cheese. His mantra "Forge Fast Expand or Die", which was considered to be his favorite build, was also exploited when he played against Leenock. In a sense, Bane would be correct to say to NaNiwa that "victory has defeated you".

---

Despite the costs of his toxic mentality, NaNiwa was still an inspiring figure to some people not just because he beats Koreans, but because NaNiwa wanted to win despite all odds against him. Unlike EG legends like HuK, Idra, Stephano, and ThorZain, NaNiwa continued to train in Korea and change up his playstyle whenever he needed to. Throughout his WCS journey, NaNiwa has shown a diverse set of builds with crisp execution. For example, NaNiwa's void ray composition is considered unthinkable against the Zerg's hydralisk composition. Yet, NaNiwa makes it work and has introduced Void Rays as a versatile unit and less of a corruptor buster. Since NaNiwa is not much of a socializer, we can assume that such extraordinary gameplay comes from NaNiwa's dedication and determination to win, which rivals to those of his Korean counterparts.

Furthermore, NaNiwa's strength is to his ability to analyze his players and come up with different tactics to show us memorable games. For example, in his recent games against Hyun, NaNiwa has opened a cheese against Hyun in the ace match. The reason for his decision was NaNiwa wanted to use a different build order to punish Hyun's greedy playstyle, which NaNiwa guessed correctly. This depth of analysis reminds us of how foreigners like Stephano can become clutch players and make epic comebacks against massive deficits.

Finally, his chances of getting into BlizzCon epitomize how NaNiwa is the player who dares to challenges against all odds. When NaNiwa lost disgracefully against Targa, his chances to BlizzCon were slim. Even, the Starcraft 2 community believed that NaNiwa should place well in Dreamhack Bucharest and IEM New York to secure his spot. However, instead of rushing for the points, NaNiwa ditch Dreamhack and carefully and intensively prepared for his IEM New York. This sacrifice earned him second place, which did not give him the amount of points to stay on the safe zone. However, it seems that the stars smiled upon NaNiwa's diligence and granted him the opportunity to prove himself against Revival. NaNiwa did not disappoint and crushed Revival with constant two base aggression, which demonstrates his flexibility as a player.

As seen from his journey from the Wings of Liberty to the BlizzCon, it is not enough to depict NaNiwa as the foreign hope. NaNiwa is hope! With a tarnished resume displaying his unprofessional behavior and occasional mediocre play, NaNiwa has achieved the unthinkable by storming tournaments with miraculous victories and finally found an Alliance that would welcome him with open arms and maintain his relevance in the progaming scene. As of now, we see that NaNiwa has began to exhibit a better attitude and approach to the game. Although the winning mentality has mortally cursed NaNiwa, that same spell has empowered NaNiwa to become the very reason to perhaps hope that he will realize the ultimate rewards of absolute victory.
Seed's # 1 fan!!! #ForVengeance
Krugessin
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden54 Posts
November 08 2013 11:16 GMT
#163
The article is perfectly Naniwa.

Creates drama, and regardless of it being Good or Bad - all that matters is if Naniwa wins or loses.

VERY tough first opponent, but here's hoping for a miracle.
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
November 08 2013 11:18 GMT
#164
On November 08 2013 20:12 hansonslee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 20:09 pms wrote:
On November 08 2013 20:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 08 2013 20:05 pms wrote:
On November 08 2013 20:01 opterown wrote:
On November 08 2013 19:58 pms wrote:
On November 08 2013 19:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:

I'm telling you that your opinion is biased and is not a fact. But you say that it is a fact. Your arguments are terrible. That's the point here.

Your criticism of giving a certain perspective about a player is valid - and that's where it ends.


Which arguments are terrible?

here, these ones

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434683&user=pms


Here are my arguments:

On November 08 2013 19:28 pms wrote:

This article:
1. Is missing some of the features that other articles have (the title given to each player, but not to Naniwa)
2. Is missing some of the facts about Naniwa (e.g., that he said that SC is his passion and he plays it because of it, not just because he wants to win)
3. Is missing the facts about Naniwa's road to Blizzcon (ironic, isn't it?)
4. Is biased (as you've nicely put it "It's written from a perspective")

All in all, this article is an example of bad journalism and media bias:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethics



It's my opinion that this article is an example of bad journalism, based on the above arguments.

Now, which of these specific arguments are terrible?


All of them except possibly the first one, as I briefly explained above.


Haha, ok. In the end, I'm at work and don't have time to ask you for each single argument "why do you think this argument is terrible?", just to hear from you "because you are a giant fan of Naniwa".


It's okay, dude. Why don't you read my article to calm yourself?


Thanks, it's much better :D
NapkinBox
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States314 Posts
November 08 2013 11:19 GMT
#165
US[A]! US[A]! US[A]!
"Who has the best durability feat in all of comic book superheroes?" "Aquaman surviving pop culture."
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
November 08 2013 11:24 GMT
#166
GO NANIWA
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
Enel
Profile Joined April 2012
Sudan430 Posts
November 08 2013 11:25 GMT
#167
I am ready for Naniwa's biggest win!
Go Sudan
haXmb
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands12 Posts
November 08 2013 11:25 GMT
#168
nerd chills!
Teamwork is essential. It gives the enemy someone else to shoot at.
Freeborn
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany421 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-08 11:31:53
November 08 2013 11:29 GMT
#169
On November 08 2013 20:09 pms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 20:06 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 08 2013 20:05 pms wrote:
On November 08 2013 20:01 opterown wrote:
On November 08 2013 19:58 pms wrote:
On November 08 2013 19:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:

I'm telling you that your opinion is biased and is not a fact. But you say that it is a fact. Your arguments are terrible. That's the point here.

Your criticism of giving a certain perspective about a player is valid - and that's where it ends.


Which arguments are terrible?

here, these ones

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434683&user=pms


Here are my arguments:

On November 08 2013 19:28 pms wrote:

This article:
1. Is missing some of the features that other articles have (the title given to each player, but not to Naniwa)
2. Is missing some of the facts about Naniwa (e.g., that he said that SC is his passion and he plays it because of it, not just because he wants to win)
3. Is missing the facts about Naniwa's road to Blizzcon (ironic, isn't it?)
4. Is biased (as you've nicely put it "It's written from a perspective")

All in all, this article is an example of bad journalism and media bias:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethics



It's my opinion that this article is an example of bad journalism, based on the above arguments.

Now, which of these specific arguments are terrible?


All of them except possibly the first one, as I briefly explained above.


Haha, ok. In the end, I'm at work and don't have time to ask you for each single argument "why do you think this argument is terrible?", just to hear from you "because you are a giant fan of Naniwa".


Wait I'll help you:

1. Is missing some of the features that other articles have (the title given to each player, but not to Naniwa)

A : No it's not. It does not have a title but that may have been a deliberate choice exaclty because the player is so polarizing and gets mad for no reason (just like you?). All articles are different, they don't contain the same content, which "features" is this one missing? Blind fanboy hype?

2. Is missing some of the facts about Naniwa (e.g., that he said that SC is his passion and he plays it because of it, not just because he wants to win)

A: All the articles are missing TONS of facts - they are after all short articles, meant as an introduction and for creating hype not as a biography - you just don't notice because you are a naniwa fan and don't care for the other player's.

3. Is missing the facts about Naniwa's road to Blizzcon (ironic, isn't it?)

A: Again, same goes for many of the other articles (if you speak about specific matches etc). These articles are introductions for our entertainment not complete player analysis.

4. Is biased (as you've nicely put it "It's written from a perspective")

A: Why? Because it's not the same level as your bias? Let me write the article and it would be so much worse.
Naniwa has a bad character from all that I can see (may be wrong of course but that's what he showed many times), his playstyle can be very interesting but in general is not spectacular. To be honest the only reason many people root for him may well be the fact that he is the last foreigner left, who is performing well. He certainly does not have the level of accomplishments of many of the other players here. His article actually draws a better picture than that of alive for example.

I actually think Soulkey will totally kick his ass - but if he performs well this tournament then maybe next time there will be more reason to hype him.

BTW I also didn't like the MC article because it was too disrespectful for such an accomplished player, but that doesn't mean I hang around the thread all the day, crying how shitty and biased the article is (which it isn't).
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
November 08 2013 11:33 GMT
#170
Look, you guys! Everyone has a different opinion. Can we give it a rest and just enjoy the game?
Seed's # 1 fan!!! #ForVengeance
VArsovskiSC
Profile Joined July 2010
Macedonia563 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-08 13:37:05
November 08 2013 11:38 GMT
#171
Oh no,... the hype is gone.. :/

Baaaaah,.. No matter ==> the casters and the crowd will return it back..

But until then.. --> King of the North, ALL HAIL
Another world, another place, another universe, won the race.. :) ;) :P
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
November 08 2013 11:42 GMT
#172
On November 08 2013 17:32 hansonslee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 16:49 Zealously wrote:
On November 08 2013 16:28 Fizzy wrote:
Dont know why, but i get the feeling that the writer does not like naniwa. This kind of ruins it for me eventho there are alot of valid points.

You are wrong. But hey, at least Swedes are no longer automatically seen as biased Nani fans. PROGRESS HAS BEEN MADE


No, Fizzy's got a point. Sure, your last section highlighted his potential, but you can definitely can be less negative with your description. Calling him an "eSport outsider" is a bit harsh. Hell, even Jaedong can be considered to be an "outsider" by your definition because you can tell that he plays to win and does not care about the fan support he gets, as seen from his interviews (not that I have a problem with that).

You are crazy, JD loves his fans and I've seen him thank them 100x. He stayed extra long for fan signings at WCS season 3 just 2 weeks or so ago.

Anyways, good article, captured nani's polarization of fans and haters quite well.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
coloursheep
Profile Joined May 2011
China497 Posts
November 08 2013 11:44 GMT
#173
On November 08 2013 20:15 hansonslee wrote:
Here's my take on NaNiwa:

I was about to make a thread, but I did not want to create a scene, so I will post my article here!

[image loading]


Naniwa: "There's No Greater Price and Reward Than Victory!"

+ Show Spoiler +
Note: I understand that Zealously has written an article about him, but sadly, unlike his past articles, that article has exhibited poor quality in terms of depiction of NaNiwa. The points that article are true; however, it's the omission of other important facts that creates a very skewed picture of NaNiwa. I understand that I am not a TL writer. However, some people were eager to hear how the TL would treat NaNiwa, and these people especially NaNiwa deserve better. A lot of harsh criticism has compelled me to write an article about NaNiwa to cater to those who felt unsatisfied. If I have offended anyone, I greatly apologize.


There is more to NaNiwa than being the "foreign hope" of BlizzCon. He represents many other archetypes that cannot be simply listed. When Starcraft 2 was at its infancy, NaNiwa was notorious for being a dangerous 1 base cheeser with a very obnoxious attitude. Such behavior has forced NaNiwa to exhibit commitment issues with different teams. But then, when MLG Dallas 2011 was looming in the corner, the State of the Game hosts such as Nony saw NaNiwa's play on stream and quivered in fear. How can this random kid be so good?

Even with his clean victory in MLG Dallas 2011, NaNiwa was not satisfied with his victory, and the Koreans were next on his hit list. When MLG Providence arrived, NaNiwa defeated the two Incredible Miracle kings of Liberty Mvp and Nestea. Due to NaNiwa's impressive play that placed him 2nd against Leenock, GOMtv has decided to invite him Blizzard Cup.

However, every glorious victory comes at a price. NaNiwa's obsessive ambition to win has cemented his downfall time to time. When he had no chance of advancing from the group stages, NaNiwa decided to insult his integrity by probe rushing against Nestea. People were shocked not only because of NaNiwa's blatant disrespect of his opponent but also because of how the anticipated rivalry between Nestea and NaNiwa had an extremely anti-climatic ending.

In addition to NaNiwa's bad sportsmanship, NaNiwa might have developed some sort of overconfidence resulting from his bounty kills of famous Koreans and paid the price. NaNiwa had an extreme grudge against the Zerg match up and dismissed a lot of the Zerg players he lost against for playing an "OP race". This mentality has compelled NaNiwa to underestimate his Zerg opponents and lost when he was considered to be the heavy favorite. NaNiwa also has shown some stubbornness in some of his games. He sometimes would scout late and lose to Mvp's and Flash's 1 base cheese. His mantra "Forge Fast Expand or Die", which was considered to be his favorite build, was also exploited when he played against Leenock. In a sense, Bane would be correct to say to NaNiwa that "victory has defeated you".

---

Despite the costs of his toxic mentality, NaNiwa was still an inspiring figure to some people not just because he beats Koreans, but because NaNiwa wanted to win despite all odds against him. Unlike EG legends like HuK, Idra, Stephano, and ThorZain, NaNiwa continued to train in Korea and change up his playstyle whenever he needed to. Throughout his WCS journey, NaNiwa has shown a diverse set of builds with crisp execution. For example, NaNiwa's void ray composition is considered unthinkable against the Zerg's hydralisk composition. Yet, NaNiwa makes it work and has introduced Void Rays as a versatile unit and less of a corruptor buster. Since NaNiwa is not much of a socializer, we can assume that such extraordinary gameplay comes from NaNiwa's dedication and determination to win, which rivals to those of his Korean counterparts.

Furthermore, NaNiwa's strength is to his ability to analyze his players and come up with different tactics to show us memorable games. For example, in his recent games against Hyun, NaNiwa has opened a cheese against Hyun in the ace match. The reason for his decision was NaNiwa wanted to use a different build order to punish Hyun's greedy playstyle, which NaNiwa guessed correctly. This depth of analysis reminds us of how foreigners like Stephano can become clutch players and make epic comebacks against massive deficits.

Finally, his chances of getting into BlizzCon epitomize how NaNiwa is the player who dares to challenges against all odds. When NaNiwa lost disgracefully against Targa, his chances to BlizzCon were slim. Even, the Starcraft 2 community believed that NaNiwa should place well in Dreamhack Bucharest and IEM New York to secure his spot. However, instead of rushing for the points, NaNiwa ditch Dreamhack and carefully and intensively prepared for his IEM New York. This sacrifice earned him second place, which did not give him the amount of points to stay on the safe zone. However, it seems that the stars smiled upon NaNiwa's diligence and granted him the opportunity to prove himself against Revival. NaNiwa did not disappoint and crushed Revival with constant two base aggression, which demonstrates his flexibility as a player.

As seen from his journey from the Wings of Liberty to the BlizzCon, it is not enough to depict NaNiwa as the foreign hope. NaNiwa is hope! With a tarnished resume displaying his unprofessional behavior and occasional mediocre play, NaNiwa has achieved the unthinkable by storming tournaments with miraculous victories and finally found an Alliance that would welcome him with open arms and maintain his relevance in the progaming scene. As of now, we see that NaNiwa has began to exhibit a better attitude and approach to the game. Although the winning mentality has mortally cursed NaNiwa, that same spell has empowered NaNiwa to become the very reason to perhaps hope that he will realize the ultimate rewards of absolute victory.


I don't know how you can see Naniwa making it to Blizzcon as epitomising how he is the player who dares to challenge against all odds when the fact is that Naniwa made it to Blizzcon on the back of miraculous luck and incredible failures of many other players that were in a position to easily overtake him. What you describe sounds like what MC did to make it to Blizzcon. In fact they both started season 3 with similar points and both needed to perform well or risk not making it to the finals. MC performed when he needed to, especially when he was one game away from elimination against Thorzain and was able to guarantee his place on the back of his own performance, Naniwa on the other hand flamed out and had to rely on many things going his way to even have a chance to make it.
Moxi
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
708 Posts
November 08 2013 11:45 GMT
#174
people keep referring to MLG Providence, I don't care about it. I care about the GSL past.
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-08 11:56:03
November 08 2013 11:49 GMT
#175
On November 08 2013 20:44 coloursheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 20:15 hansonslee wrote:
Here's my take on NaNiwa:

I was about to make a thread, but I did not want to create a scene, so I will post my article here!

[image loading]


Naniwa: "There's No Greater Price and Reward Than Victory!"

+ Show Spoiler +
Note: I understand that Zealously has written an article about him, but sadly, unlike his past articles, that article has exhibited poor quality in terms of depiction of NaNiwa. The points that article are true; however, it's the omission of other important facts that creates a very skewed picture of NaNiwa. I understand that I am not a TL writer. However, some people were eager to hear how the TL would treat NaNiwa, and these people especially NaNiwa deserve better. A lot of harsh criticism has compelled me to write an article about NaNiwa to cater to those who felt unsatisfied. If I have offended anyone, I greatly apologize.


There is more to NaNiwa than being the "foreign hope" of BlizzCon. He represents many other archetypes that cannot be simply listed. When Starcraft 2 was at its infancy, NaNiwa was notorious for being a dangerous 1 base cheeser with a very obnoxious attitude. Such behavior has forced NaNiwa to exhibit commitment issues with different teams. But then, when MLG Dallas 2011 was looming in the corner, the State of the Game hosts such as Nony saw NaNiwa's play on stream and quivered in fear. How can this random kid be so good?

Even with his clean victory in MLG Dallas 2011, NaNiwa was not satisfied with his victory, and the Koreans were next on his hit list. When MLG Providence arrived, NaNiwa defeated the two Incredible Miracle kings of Liberty Mvp and Nestea. Due to NaNiwa's impressive play that placed him 2nd against Leenock, GOMtv has decided to invite him Blizzard Cup.

However, every glorious victory comes at a price. NaNiwa's obsessive ambition to win has cemented his downfall time to time. When he had no chance of advancing from the group stages, NaNiwa decided to insult his integrity by probe rushing against Nestea. People were shocked not only because of NaNiwa's blatant disrespect of his opponent but also because of how the anticipated rivalry between Nestea and NaNiwa had an extremely anti-climatic ending.

In addition to NaNiwa's bad sportsmanship, NaNiwa might have developed some sort of overconfidence resulting from his bounty kills of famous Koreans and paid the price. NaNiwa had an extreme grudge against the Zerg match up and dismissed a lot of the Zerg players he lost against for playing an "OP race". This mentality has compelled NaNiwa to underestimate his Zerg opponents and lost when he was considered to be the heavy favorite. NaNiwa also has shown some stubbornness in some of his games. He sometimes would scout late and lose to Mvp's and Flash's 1 base cheese. His mantra "Forge Fast Expand or Die", which was considered to be his favorite build, was also exploited when he played against Leenock. In a sense, Bane would be correct to say to NaNiwa that "victory has defeated you".

---

Despite the costs of his toxic mentality, NaNiwa was still an inspiring figure to some people not just because he beats Koreans, but because NaNiwa wanted to win despite all odds against him. Unlike EG legends like HuK, Idra, Stephano, and ThorZain, NaNiwa continued to train in Korea and change up his playstyle whenever he needed to. Throughout his WCS journey, NaNiwa has shown a diverse set of builds with crisp execution. For example, NaNiwa's void ray composition is considered unthinkable against the Zerg's hydralisk composition. Yet, NaNiwa makes it work and has introduced Void Rays as a versatile unit and less of a corruptor buster. Since NaNiwa is not much of a socializer, we can assume that such extraordinary gameplay comes from NaNiwa's dedication and determination to win, which rivals to those of his Korean counterparts.

Furthermore, NaNiwa's strength is to his ability to analyze his players and come up with different tactics to show us memorable games. For example, in his recent games against Hyun, NaNiwa has opened a cheese against Hyun in the ace match. The reason for his decision was NaNiwa wanted to use a different build order to punish Hyun's greedy playstyle, which NaNiwa guessed correctly. This depth of analysis reminds us of how foreigners like Stephano can become clutch players and make epic comebacks against massive deficits.

Finally, his chances of getting into BlizzCon epitomize how NaNiwa is the player who dares to challenges against all odds. When NaNiwa lost disgracefully against Targa, his chances to BlizzCon were slim. Even, the Starcraft 2 community believed that NaNiwa should place well in Dreamhack Bucharest and IEM New York to secure his spot. However, instead of rushing for the points, NaNiwa ditch Dreamhack and carefully and intensively prepared for his IEM New York. This sacrifice earned him second place, which did not give him the amount of points to stay on the safe zone. However, it seems that the stars smiled upon NaNiwa's diligence and granted him the opportunity to prove himself against Revival. NaNiwa did not disappoint and crushed Revival with constant two base aggression, which demonstrates his flexibility as a player.

As seen from his journey from the Wings of Liberty to the BlizzCon, it is not enough to depict NaNiwa as the foreign hope. NaNiwa is hope! With a tarnished resume displaying his unprofessional behavior and occasional mediocre play, NaNiwa has achieved the unthinkable by storming tournaments with miraculous victories and finally found an Alliance that would welcome him with open arms and maintain his relevance in the progaming scene. As of now, we see that NaNiwa has began to exhibit a better attitude and approach to the game. Although the winning mentality has mortally cursed NaNiwa, that same spell has empowered NaNiwa to become the very reason to perhaps hope that he will realize the ultimate rewards of absolute victory.


I don't know how you can see Naniwa making it to Blizzcon as epitomising how he is the player who dares to challenge against all odds when the fact is that Naniwa made it to Blizzcon on the back of miraculous luck and incredible failures of many other players that were in a position to easily overtake him. What you describe sounds like what MC did to make it to Blizzcon. In fact they both started season 3 with similar points and both needed to perform well or risk not making it to the finals. MC performed when he needed to, especially when he was one game away from elimination against Thorzain and was able to guarantee his place on the back of his own performance, Naniwa on the other hand flamed out and had to rely on many things going his way to even have a chance to make it.


The thing is how NaNiwa continued to try, even though his chances were slim. Also, I even said that his attitude is responsible for his downfall, and I definitely agree that his loss against Targa was his fault for underestimating Targa. There's a reason why I called him "Hope". It's because there were some miracles behind it to make up for NaNiwa's mistakes. Look, I definitely agree that there are way better Protosses (Rain and Parting) than he, but the funny thing is how NaNiwa was able to succeed even though his chances were narrow. Also, if you read my piece, you would realize how NaNiwa is fine with being the dark horse (in his own right). NaNiwa's journey is one of a kind, and I think that should have been capitalized.
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xSTaRFiSHx
Profile Joined February 2012
Germany176 Posts
November 08 2013 11:50 GMT
#176
NANIWA! :D
I wonder if there will be cake...
coloursheep
Profile Joined May 2011
China497 Posts
November 08 2013 11:57 GMT
#177
On November 08 2013 20:49 hansonslee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 20:44 coloursheep wrote:
On November 08 2013 20:15 hansonslee wrote:
Here's my take on NaNiwa:

I was about to make a thread, but I did not want to create a scene, so I will post my article here!

[image loading]


Naniwa: "There's No Greater Price and Reward Than Victory!"

+ Show Spoiler +
Note: I understand that Zealously has written an article about him, but sadly, unlike his past articles, that article has exhibited poor quality in terms of depiction of NaNiwa. The points that article are true; however, it's the omission of other important facts that creates a very skewed picture of NaNiwa. I understand that I am not a TL writer. However, some people were eager to hear how the TL would treat NaNiwa, and these people especially NaNiwa deserve better. A lot of harsh criticism has compelled me to write an article about NaNiwa to cater to those who felt unsatisfied. If I have offended anyone, I greatly apologize.


There is more to NaNiwa than being the "foreign hope" of BlizzCon. He represents many other archetypes that cannot be simply listed. When Starcraft 2 was at its infancy, NaNiwa was notorious for being a dangerous 1 base cheeser with a very obnoxious attitude. Such behavior has forced NaNiwa to exhibit commitment issues with different teams. But then, when MLG Dallas 2011 was looming in the corner, the State of the Game hosts such as Nony saw NaNiwa's play on stream and quivered in fear. How can this random kid be so good?

Even with his clean victory in MLG Dallas 2011, NaNiwa was not satisfied with his victory, and the Koreans were next on his hit list. When MLG Providence arrived, NaNiwa defeated the two Incredible Miracle kings of Liberty Mvp and Nestea. Due to NaNiwa's impressive play that placed him 2nd against Leenock, GOMtv has decided to invite him Blizzard Cup.

However, every glorious victory comes at a price. NaNiwa's obsessive ambition to win has cemented his downfall time to time. When he had no chance of advancing from the group stages, NaNiwa decided to insult his integrity by probe rushing against Nestea. People were shocked not only because of NaNiwa's blatant disrespect of his opponent but also because of how the anticipated rivalry between Nestea and NaNiwa had an extremely anti-climatic ending.

In addition to NaNiwa's bad sportsmanship, NaNiwa might have developed some sort of overconfidence resulting from his bounty kills of famous Koreans and paid the price. NaNiwa had an extreme grudge against the Zerg match up and dismissed a lot of the Zerg players he lost against for playing an "OP race". This mentality has compelled NaNiwa to underestimate his Zerg opponents and lost when he was considered to be the heavy favorite. NaNiwa also has shown some stubbornness in some of his games. He sometimes would scout late and lose to Mvp's and Flash's 1 base cheese. His mantra "Forge Fast Expand or Die", which was considered to be his favorite build, was also exploited when he played against Leenock. In a sense, Bane would be correct to say to NaNiwa that "victory has defeated you".

---

Despite the costs of his toxic mentality, NaNiwa was still an inspiring figure to some people not just because he beats Koreans, but because NaNiwa wanted to win despite all odds against him. Unlike EG legends like HuK, Idra, Stephano, and ThorZain, NaNiwa continued to train in Korea and change up his playstyle whenever he needed to. Throughout his WCS journey, NaNiwa has shown a diverse set of builds with crisp execution. For example, NaNiwa's void ray composition is considered unthinkable against the Zerg's hydralisk composition. Yet, NaNiwa makes it work and has introduced Void Rays as a versatile unit and less of a corruptor buster. Since NaNiwa is not much of a socializer, we can assume that such extraordinary gameplay comes from NaNiwa's dedication and determination to win, which rivals to those of his Korean counterparts.

Furthermore, NaNiwa's strength is to his ability to analyze his players and come up with different tactics to show us memorable games. For example, in his recent games against Hyun, NaNiwa has opened a cheese against Hyun in the ace match. The reason for his decision was NaNiwa wanted to use a different build order to punish Hyun's greedy playstyle, which NaNiwa guessed correctly. This depth of analysis reminds us of how foreigners like Stephano can become clutch players and make epic comebacks against massive deficits.

Finally, his chances of getting into BlizzCon epitomize how NaNiwa is the player who dares to challenges against all odds. When NaNiwa lost disgracefully against Targa, his chances to BlizzCon were slim. Even, the Starcraft 2 community believed that NaNiwa should place well in Dreamhack Bucharest and IEM New York to secure his spot. However, instead of rushing for the points, NaNiwa ditch Dreamhack and carefully and intensively prepared for his IEM New York. This sacrifice earned him second place, which did not give him the amount of points to stay on the safe zone. However, it seems that the stars smiled upon NaNiwa's diligence and granted him the opportunity to prove himself against Revival. NaNiwa did not disappoint and crushed Revival with constant two base aggression, which demonstrates his flexibility as a player.

As seen from his journey from the Wings of Liberty to the BlizzCon, it is not enough to depict NaNiwa as the foreign hope. NaNiwa is hope! With a tarnished resume displaying his unprofessional behavior and occasional mediocre play, NaNiwa has achieved the unthinkable by storming tournaments with miraculous victories and finally found an Alliance that would welcome him with open arms and maintain his relevance in the progaming scene. As of now, we see that NaNiwa has began to exhibit a better attitude and approach to the game. Although the winning mentality has mortally cursed NaNiwa, that same spell has empowered NaNiwa to become the very reason to perhaps hope that he will realize the ultimate rewards of absolute victory.


I don't know how you can see Naniwa making it to Blizzcon as epitomising how he is the player who dares to challenge against all odds when the fact is that Naniwa made it to Blizzcon on the back of miraculous luck and incredible failures of many other players that were in a position to easily overtake him. What you describe sounds like what MC did to make it to Blizzcon. In fact they both started season 3 with similar points and both needed to perform well or risk not making it to the finals. MC performed when he needed to, especially when he was one game away from elimination against Thorzain and was able to guarantee his place on the back of his own performance, Naniwa on the other hand flamed out and had to rely on many things going his way to even have a chance to make it.


The thing is how NaNiwa continued to try, even though his chances were slim. Also, I even said that his attitude is responsible for his downfall, and I definitely agree that his loss against Targa was his fault for underestimating Targa. There's a reason why I called him "Hope". It's because there was some miracles behind it. Look, I definitely agree that there are way better Protosses (Rain and Parting) than he, but the funny thing is how NaNiwa was able to succeed even though his chances were narrow. Also, if you read my piece, you would realize how NaNiwa is fine with being the dark horse (in his own right). NaNiwa's journey is one of a kind, and I think that should have been capitalized.


If they capitalised on how his run was unique it would have made his fans even more mad, would you have preferred the article to be titled the luckiest player in the world?
JimmyHollow
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom249 Posts
November 08 2013 11:58 GMT
#178
NANI!
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
November 08 2013 12:00 GMT
#179
On November 08 2013 20:57 coloursheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 20:49 hansonslee wrote:
On November 08 2013 20:44 coloursheep wrote:
On November 08 2013 20:15 hansonslee wrote:
Here's my take on NaNiwa:

I was about to make a thread, but I did not want to create a scene, so I will post my article here!

[image loading]


Naniwa: "There's No Greater Price and Reward Than Victory!"

+ Show Spoiler +
Note: I understand that Zealously has written an article about him, but sadly, unlike his past articles, that article has exhibited poor quality in terms of depiction of NaNiwa. The points that article are true; however, it's the omission of other important facts that creates a very skewed picture of NaNiwa. I understand that I am not a TL writer. However, some people were eager to hear how the TL would treat NaNiwa, and these people especially NaNiwa deserve better. A lot of harsh criticism has compelled me to write an article about NaNiwa to cater to those who felt unsatisfied. If I have offended anyone, I greatly apologize.


There is more to NaNiwa than being the "foreign hope" of BlizzCon. He represents many other archetypes that cannot be simply listed. When Starcraft 2 was at its infancy, NaNiwa was notorious for being a dangerous 1 base cheeser with a very obnoxious attitude. Such behavior has forced NaNiwa to exhibit commitment issues with different teams. But then, when MLG Dallas 2011 was looming in the corner, the State of the Game hosts such as Nony saw NaNiwa's play on stream and quivered in fear. How can this random kid be so good?

Even with his clean victory in MLG Dallas 2011, NaNiwa was not satisfied with his victory, and the Koreans were next on his hit list. When MLG Providence arrived, NaNiwa defeated the two Incredible Miracle kings of Liberty Mvp and Nestea. Due to NaNiwa's impressive play that placed him 2nd against Leenock, GOMtv has decided to invite him Blizzard Cup.

However, every glorious victory comes at a price. NaNiwa's obsessive ambition to win has cemented his downfall time to time. When he had no chance of advancing from the group stages, NaNiwa decided to insult his integrity by probe rushing against Nestea. People were shocked not only because of NaNiwa's blatant disrespect of his opponent but also because of how the anticipated rivalry between Nestea and NaNiwa had an extremely anti-climatic ending.

In addition to NaNiwa's bad sportsmanship, NaNiwa might have developed some sort of overconfidence resulting from his bounty kills of famous Koreans and paid the price. NaNiwa had an extreme grudge against the Zerg match up and dismissed a lot of the Zerg players he lost against for playing an "OP race". This mentality has compelled NaNiwa to underestimate his Zerg opponents and lost when he was considered to be the heavy favorite. NaNiwa also has shown some stubbornness in some of his games. He sometimes would scout late and lose to Mvp's and Flash's 1 base cheese. His mantra "Forge Fast Expand or Die", which was considered to be his favorite build, was also exploited when he played against Leenock. In a sense, Bane would be correct to say to NaNiwa that "victory has defeated you".

---

Despite the costs of his toxic mentality, NaNiwa was still an inspiring figure to some people not just because he beats Koreans, but because NaNiwa wanted to win despite all odds against him. Unlike EG legends like HuK, Idra, Stephano, and ThorZain, NaNiwa continued to train in Korea and change up his playstyle whenever he needed to. Throughout his WCS journey, NaNiwa has shown a diverse set of builds with crisp execution. For example, NaNiwa's void ray composition is considered unthinkable against the Zerg's hydralisk composition. Yet, NaNiwa makes it work and has introduced Void Rays as a versatile unit and less of a corruptor buster. Since NaNiwa is not much of a socializer, we can assume that such extraordinary gameplay comes from NaNiwa's dedication and determination to win, which rivals to those of his Korean counterparts.

Furthermore, NaNiwa's strength is to his ability to analyze his players and come up with different tactics to show us memorable games. For example, in his recent games against Hyun, NaNiwa has opened a cheese against Hyun in the ace match. The reason for his decision was NaNiwa wanted to use a different build order to punish Hyun's greedy playstyle, which NaNiwa guessed correctly. This depth of analysis reminds us of how foreigners like Stephano can become clutch players and make epic comebacks against massive deficits.

Finally, his chances of getting into BlizzCon epitomize how NaNiwa is the player who dares to challenges against all odds. When NaNiwa lost disgracefully against Targa, his chances to BlizzCon were slim. Even, the Starcraft 2 community believed that NaNiwa should place well in Dreamhack Bucharest and IEM New York to secure his spot. However, instead of rushing for the points, NaNiwa ditch Dreamhack and carefully and intensively prepared for his IEM New York. This sacrifice earned him second place, which did not give him the amount of points to stay on the safe zone. However, it seems that the stars smiled upon NaNiwa's diligence and granted him the opportunity to prove himself against Revival. NaNiwa did not disappoint and crushed Revival with constant two base aggression, which demonstrates his flexibility as a player.

As seen from his journey from the Wings of Liberty to the BlizzCon, it is not enough to depict NaNiwa as the foreign hope. NaNiwa is hope! With a tarnished resume displaying his unprofessional behavior and occasional mediocre play, NaNiwa has achieved the unthinkable by storming tournaments with miraculous victories and finally found an Alliance that would welcome him with open arms and maintain his relevance in the progaming scene. As of now, we see that NaNiwa has began to exhibit a better attitude and approach to the game. Although the winning mentality has mortally cursed NaNiwa, that same spell has empowered NaNiwa to become the very reason to perhaps hope that he will realize the ultimate rewards of absolute victory.


I don't know how you can see Naniwa making it to Blizzcon as epitomising how he is the player who dares to challenge against all odds when the fact is that Naniwa made it to Blizzcon on the back of miraculous luck and incredible failures of many other players that were in a position to easily overtake him. What you describe sounds like what MC did to make it to Blizzcon. In fact they both started season 3 with similar points and both needed to perform well or risk not making it to the finals. MC performed when he needed to, especially when he was one game away from elimination against Thorzain and was able to guarantee his place on the back of his own performance, Naniwa on the other hand flamed out and had to rely on many things going his way to even have a chance to make it.


The thing is how NaNiwa continued to try, even though his chances were slim. Also, I even said that his attitude is responsible for his downfall, and I definitely agree that his loss against Targa was his fault for underestimating Targa. There's a reason why I called him "Hope". It's because there was some miracles behind it. Look, I definitely agree that there are way better Protosses (Rain and Parting) than he, but the funny thing is how NaNiwa was able to succeed even though his chances were narrow. Also, if you read my piece, you would realize how NaNiwa is fine with being the dark horse (in his own right). NaNiwa's journey is one of a kind, and I think that should have been capitalized.


If they capitalised on how his run was unique it would have made his fans even more mad, would you have preferred the article to be titled the luckiest player in the world?


I think miraculous would be the better title. Miracles can happen and can be viewed as a result of a good deed (like the Cinderella story). Luck is viewed to be much more indiscriminate. Same denotation but very different connotation!
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herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2056 Posts
November 08 2013 12:02 GMT
#180
I love how every other player has some moniker in front of the article but there's none for Naniwa. One could say his ID is a term in itself.
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