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[A]NaNiwa - Road to Blizzcon #15 - Page 7

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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
November 08 2013 10:46 GMT
#121
On November 08 2013 19:43 pms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 19:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Let's face it, you're a giant Naniwa fanboy and you wanted something else. Now you're dissatisfied. That's unfortunate but this article was not made to please Naniwa fanboys. It was to give a certain perspective on Naniwa.

Have you never seen a columnist express their opinion? I think you're heavily mistaking this for an objective series of reports. It's a series of hype previews made to give an interesting (and different!) perspective on each of these players.

Not absolutely everything Naniwa has ever said or done has to be included in something like this.


Well, I am a giant Naniwa fanboy.

And this article is biased and plain bad.

The facts.



And to answer you:
Yes, a columnist can express his opinion. Does Zealously use forms like "I think", "In my opinion", whatever other forms that are appropriate for the expression of opinion?


The bolded part shows you stating your opinion and declaring it as facts. There's no point in arguing with someone like you then.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2603 Posts
November 08 2013 10:46 GMT
#122
On November 08 2013 19:43 pms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 19:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Let's face it, you're a giant Naniwa fanboy and you wanted something else. Now you're dissatisfied. That's unfortunate but this article was not made to please Naniwa fanboys. It was to give a certain perspective on Naniwa.

Have you never seen a columnist express their opinion? I think you're heavily mistaking this for an objective series of reports. It's a series of hype previews made to give an interesting (and different!) perspective on each of these players.

Not absolutely everything Naniwa has ever said or done has to be included in something like this.


Well, I am a giant Naniwa fanboy.

And this article is biased and plain bad.

The facts.


And to answer you:
Yes, a columnist can express his opinion. Does Zealously use forms like "I think", "In my opinion", whatever other forms that are appropriate for the expression of opinion?


-presenting opinion as fact
-insulting your adversaries
-jumping to conclusions

yep you're the best writer ever
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 08 2013 10:47 GMT
#123
On November 08 2013 19:46 opterown wrote:
go shit on richard lewis before you shit on TL writers

https://twitter.com/Richard_A_Lewis

more productive


I love Richard Lewis
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
November 08 2013 10:47 GMT
#124
On November 08 2013 19:41 Dodgin wrote:
I think your criticism is fine for the record, I mean where the hell is the title!? Naniwa - The Dragon Slayer come on man give me that


I like that title. Its sounds good and its true. Go nani!
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
November 08 2013 10:47 GMT
#125
On November 08 2013 19:47 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 19:46 opterown wrote:
go shit on richard lewis before you shit on TL writers

https://twitter.com/Richard_A_Lewis

more productive


I love Richard Lewis

Richard Lewis just tells it like it is
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-08 10:51:17
November 08 2013 10:48 GMT
#126
Some more ideas for titles:

Naniwa - The Token White Guy
Naniw[A] - Not an Evil Genius
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-08 10:50:54
November 08 2013 10:50 GMT
#127
On November 08 2013 19:48 Dodgin wrote:
Some more ideas for titles:

Naniwa - The Token White Guy
Naniw[A] - Not An Evil Genius

Naniwa - The Foreigner

original i know right
Moderatorlickypiddy
Fiallach
Profile Joined October 2012
France38 Posts
November 08 2013 10:51 GMT
#128
An underwelming article, i don't feel any hype at all, and there was no real knowledge ( like the different builds), or story told ( like the finals where power went out).

This one was OK. I hoped the naniwa article would give me as much chills as MVPs or JD's. Oh well, i'm still hyped for blizzcon so it's okay.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
November 08 2013 10:52 GMT
#129
On November 08 2013 19:43 pms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 19:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Let's face it, you're a giant Naniwa fanboy and you wanted something else. Now you're dissatisfied. That's unfortunate but this article was not made to please Naniwa fanboys. It was to give a certain perspective on Naniwa.

Have you never seen a columnist express their opinion? I think you're heavily mistaking this for an objective series of reports. It's a series of hype previews made to give an interesting (and different!) perspective on each of these players.

Not absolutely everything Naniwa has ever said or done has to be included in something like this.


Well, I am a giant Naniwa fanboy.

And this article is biased and plain bad.

The facts.


And to answer you:
Yes, a columnist can express his opinion. Does Zealously use forms like "I think", "In my opinion", whatever other forms that are appropriate for the expression of opinion?


Yes, because the key to good journalism is to say "in my opinion" or "I think" every time you express an opinion. Here, I've re-written the first couple of paragraphs to suit your wants and needs:

In my opinion, no player in Starcraft II is as polarizing as (P)NaNiwa. I don't think that even Idra and Stephano, for all the dramatic headlines they produced, could divide the fans between love and hate like the Swedish Protoss.

Balance whining, excuse-making, and yelling inappropriate comments toward players and organizations is a shared trait of many progamers in my opinion, but where I think it might make a different progamer endearing, I feel that it's what alienates NaNiwa from a large subset of fans. In my opinion, the difference is that NaNiwa's outbursts don't come with a nudge and a wink, an implicit understanding that this is all for entertainment, it's all for esports, and he's in it together with us as part of this greater endeavor.


Wow, that was so much better. Good thing I added those parts in at every possible turn to make sure that you know he's only expressing his opinion, and doesn't believe that everything he says is absolute fact.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Mintie
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia563 Posts
November 08 2013 10:52 GMT
#130
On November 08 2013 19:50 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 19:48 Dodgin wrote:
Some more ideas for titles:

Naniwa - The Token White Guy
Naniw[A] - Not An Evil Genius

Naniwa - The Foreigner

original i know right


Hate Me or Love Me, It's Still an Obsession: [A]Naniwa
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
November 08 2013 10:52 GMT
#131
On November 08 2013 19:52 Mintie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 19:50 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On November 08 2013 19:48 Dodgin wrote:
Some more ideas for titles:

Naniwa - The Token White Guy
Naniw[A] - Not An Evil Genius

Naniwa - The Foreigner

original i know right


Hate Me or Love Me, It's Still an Obsession: [A]Naniwa

oh shit that's good
Moderatorlickypiddy
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
November 08 2013 10:53 GMT
#132
Oh btw, just to rub it in. Here's a direct Naniwa quote!

Unless I win I am not happy overall, as a person.


From StarNation trailer. What up.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
November 08 2013 10:53 GMT
#133
Wasn't Star Nation filmed in like 2004? Things can change man.
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
November 08 2013 10:54 GMT
#134
On November 08 2013 19:46 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 19:43 pms wrote:
On November 08 2013 19:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Let's face it, you're a giant Naniwa fanboy and you wanted something else. Now you're dissatisfied. That's unfortunate but this article was not made to please Naniwa fanboys. It was to give a certain perspective on Naniwa.

Have you never seen a columnist express their opinion? I think you're heavily mistaking this for an objective series of reports. It's a series of hype previews made to give an interesting (and different!) perspective on each of these players.

Not absolutely everything Naniwa has ever said or done has to be included in something like this.


Well, I am a giant Naniwa fanboy.

And this article is biased and plain bad.

The facts.



And to answer you:
Yes, a columnist can express his opinion. Does Zealously use forms like "I think", "In my opinion", whatever other forms that are appropriate for the expression of opinion?


The bolded part shows you stating your opinion and declaring it as facts. There's no point in arguing with someone like you then.


Hehe, so you tell me that if I have my favorite player/political party/community then I will never produce a non-biased article about it?

That's a bit sad, because what's the point of avoiding bias then? Is there one DarkLordOlli?
ThePlagueJG
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden1010 Posts
November 08 2013 10:54 GMT
#135
On November 08 2013 19:52 Mintie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 19:50 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On November 08 2013 19:48 Dodgin wrote:
Some more ideas for titles:

Naniwa - The Token White Guy
Naniw[A] - Not An Evil Genius

Naniwa - The Foreigner

original i know right


Hate Me or Love Me, It's Still an Obsession: [A]Naniwa


I really like this one!

ThorZaIN | NaNiwa | SaSe | PartinG | sOs | Jaedong | sOs restored passion!
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-08 10:56:42
November 08 2013 10:55 GMT
#136
On November 08 2013 19:54 pms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 19:46 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On November 08 2013 19:43 pms wrote:
On November 08 2013 19:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Let's face it, you're a giant Naniwa fanboy and you wanted something else. Now you're dissatisfied. That's unfortunate but this article was not made to please Naniwa fanboys. It was to give a certain perspective on Naniwa.

Have you never seen a columnist express their opinion? I think you're heavily mistaking this for an objective series of reports. It's a series of hype previews made to give an interesting (and different!) perspective on each of these players.

Not absolutely everything Naniwa has ever said or done has to be included in something like this.


Well, I am a giant Naniwa fanboy.

And this article is biased and plain bad.

The facts.



And to answer you:
Yes, a columnist can express his opinion. Does Zealously use forms like "I think", "In my opinion", whatever other forms that are appropriate for the expression of opinion?


The bolded part shows you stating your opinion and declaring it as facts. There's no point in arguing with someone like you then.


Hehe, so you tell me that if I have my favorite player/political party/community then I will never produce a non-biased article about it?

That's a bit sad, because what's the point of avoiding bias then? Is there one DarkLordOlli?


I'm telling you that your opinion is biased and is not a fact. But you say that it is a fact. Your arguments are terrible. That's the point here.

Your criticism of giving a certain perspective about a player is valid - and that's where it ends.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Mintie
Profile Joined December 2012
Australia563 Posts
November 08 2013 10:57 GMT
#137
On November 08 2013 19:54 ThePlagueJG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 19:52 Mintie wrote:
On November 08 2013 19:50 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On November 08 2013 19:48 Dodgin wrote:
Some more ideas for titles:

Naniwa - The Token White Guy
Naniw[A] - Not An Evil Genius

Naniwa - The Foreigner

original i know right


Hate Me or Love Me, It's Still an Obsession: [A]Naniwa


I really like this one!



Yeah, but imagine if instead of riffing and having fun, occasionally contributing and maybe putting my hand up for the next one, I just came in and was shitty about other peoples writing. How much better would that be.
pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
November 08 2013 10:57 GMT
#138
On November 08 2013 19:46 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 19:43 pms wrote:
On November 08 2013 19:39 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Let's face it, you're a giant Naniwa fanboy and you wanted something else. Now you're dissatisfied. That's unfortunate but this article was not made to please Naniwa fanboys. It was to give a certain perspective on Naniwa.

Have you never seen a columnist express their opinion? I think you're heavily mistaking this for an objective series of reports. It's a series of hype previews made to give an interesting (and different!) perspective on each of these players.

Not absolutely everything Naniwa has ever said or done has to be included in something like this.


Well, I am a giant Naniwa fanboy.

And this article is biased and plain bad.

The facts.


And to answer you:
Yes, a columnist can express his opinion. Does Zealously use forms like "I think", "In my opinion", whatever other forms that are appropriate for the expression of opinion?


-presenting opinion as fact
-insulting your adversaries
-jumping to conclusions

yep you're the best writer ever


Note that I didn't say "best writer" or "worst writer" about Zealously. You did say it about me. Oh, dear irony.


pms
Profile Joined April 2008
Poland611 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-08 11:00:06
November 08 2013 10:58 GMT
#139
On November 08 2013 19:55 DarkLordOlli wrote:

I'm telling you that your opinion is biased and is not a fact. But you say that it is a fact. Your arguments are terrible. That's the point here.

Your criticism of giving a certain perspective about a player is valid - and that's where it ends.


Which arguments are terrible?
ThePlagueJG
Profile Joined May 2013
Sweden1010 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-08 11:10:13
November 08 2013 11:00 GMT
#140
On November 08 2013 19:57 Mintie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 19:54 ThePlagueJG wrote:
On November 08 2013 19:52 Mintie wrote:
On November 08 2013 19:50 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On November 08 2013 19:48 Dodgin wrote:
Some more ideas for titles:

Naniwa - The Token White Guy
Naniw[A] - Not An Evil Genius

Naniwa - The Foreigner

original i know right


Hate Me or Love Me, It's Still an Obsession: [A]Naniwa


I really like this one!



Yeah, but imagine if instead of riffing and having fun, occasionally contributing and maybe putting my hand up for the next one, I just came in and was shitty about other peoples writing. How much better would that be.


I'm sorry for liking your contrubution, wont happen again.

*misunderstanding and I overreact so easily APology to Mintie
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