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On November 01 2013 19:04 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 18:58 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 18:55 vthree wrote:On November 01 2013 18:51 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 18:43 vthree wrote:On November 01 2013 18:30 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 17:34 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 17:23 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 16:59 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 15:44 lystier wrote:
I'm wondering if naniwa will pay his bounty to taeja cuz he did beat revival lol Nope, he already broke that promise on twitter. Apparently "beating a player" needs to be construed as "beating a player only if that player does not make it to Blizzcon." Also known as, I'm not guaranteed 5k, so I don't want to pay anything to anyone. pretty obvious that was what he meant. If you thought otherwise, and especially if you didnt reach out to accept and clarify his proposition, you only have yourself to blame. While I appreciate the personal attack /s, I don't see how it's obvious that his words mean something entirely different: He said in his tweet: "offering 500$ bounty to whoever wins vs revival". That's pretty unequivocal. It was also the interpretation Taeja had, as he contacted Naniwa over twitter after winning against Revival. In the end, Naniwa made the bounty a thing that people were talking about, then failed to pay it. Which misled a lot of people, including the actual beneficiary - Taeja. Personal attacks? What? That's just how the shit works. Unless you confirm this, or a bet, or whatever it's not "live." That's how things are done. Look at all the bets done over at Liquidpoker. There's offer, there's the person who accepts the offer, and then there is confirmation by the original bettor. And fuck me, same thing with any contractual obligation. It needs two parties to enter an agreement. Are you serious? Bets are total different because you are wagering something so you need acceptance from both sides. Companies like Google put out 'bounties' for people finding bugs/exploit in their software. There is no need to 'accept'. You just report the bug when you find it and you get paid/reward. And why bring in contractual obligation, no one is saying Naniwa legally has to pay Taeja. It is just bad form... Companies be companies, people be people. This is more akin to betting 500 against nothing than it is to holding a sweepstakes. Not to mention that Naniwa was paying for Revival elimination, google's not gonna pay someone for "almost" fixing the bug either will they now. You really want to argue this? Google is not paying someone to FIX the bug. They are paying someone to show them an exploit. That person gets paid regardless of whether Google can fix the bug or not. Eventhough fixing the bug is Google's FINAL goal, the person still gets paid for helping to TRY to reach the final goal. Let's say you offer a tutor to help you study for a Math exam. Obviously, the final goal is to pass or do well in the exam. But unless you state your condition (getting an A) at the beginning, you will have to paid the tutor regardless of the outcome of the exam,no? what? the point isnt what in particular google wants. The point is that they don't pay for someone not doing what they want. I honestly don't see how you're arguing this point. If google says "We'll pay you if you find a bug," then anyone that does find a bug will get paid. Even if the bug cannot be fixed, google still pays out. The point is, if you say "A", you cannot go around saying "A only if B as well". That's being dishonest.
No it's not being dishonest. That's why any contest like the one you describe has a rulebook 10s of pages long.
The only thing Naniwa is guilty of is poorly phrasing that shit.
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So there's half a foreigner + 15,5 Koreans in the top 16?
That's a bit discouraging, but I'm glad the foreigner who half-made it is Naniwa. He deserves it, and I think he has a good chance against Revival and a ~40% chance against Soulkey.
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Naniwa can beat ANYONE on a good day, but it really depends what his mindset is that day. if he beats Revival and then can overcome SK he can go far.
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I think this game is going to depend on what Naniwa can bring to the table. Sometimes he brings something truly brilliant to the game and becomes such a beast of a player! Other time he has not been able to find something to make that difference and then he does not stand out. Revival, on the other hand, seems to be more consistent and I feel like much more certain in what level of play he is going to bring.
So if Naniwa can bring his A-game / next level game to the match then I'd definitely favor him! If not, then I'd have to go with Revival's consistency.
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I dont care who wins its basically win-win for me. Either:
a) we get a foreigner to add more hype to blizzcon
b) we get another zerg in the brackets
Pretty sure whoever wins is gonna get roflstomped by Soulkey anyway
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On November 01 2013 19:06 ETisME wrote:
i can't see both players doing well against soulkey so yea, gogo soulkey lol
anti revival/nani hype killing esports 
GOGO NANI!
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If Naniwa loses vs Revival then that's it. No point watching the finals for me.
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Now we just need MC to cast this with Idra.
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as expected after i saw the group
it was just a TO easy group with select and jon not rly having any chances, isnt 2011 select is no rly enemy for such a player anymore
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On November 01 2013 18:55 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 18:51 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 18:43 vthree wrote:On November 01 2013 18:30 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 17:34 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 17:23 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 16:59 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 15:44 lystier wrote:
I'm wondering if naniwa will pay his bounty to taeja cuz he did beat revival lol Nope, he already broke that promise on twitter. Apparently "beating a player" needs to be construed as "beating a player only if that player does not make it to Blizzcon." Also known as, I'm not guaranteed 5k, so I don't want to pay anything to anyone. pretty obvious that was what he meant. If you thought otherwise, and especially if you didnt reach out to accept and clarify his proposition, you only have yourself to blame. While I appreciate the personal attack /s, I don't see how it's obvious that his words mean something entirely different: He said in his tweet: "offering 500$ bounty to whoever wins vs revival". That's pretty unequivocal. It was also the interpretation Taeja had, as he contacted Naniwa over twitter after winning against Revival. In the end, Naniwa made the bounty a thing that people were talking about, then failed to pay it. Which misled a lot of people, including the actual beneficiary - Taeja. Personal attacks? What? That's just how the shit works. Unless you confirm this, or a bet, or whatever it's not "live." That's how things are done. Look at all the bets done over at Liquidpoker. There's offer, there's the person who accepts the offer, and then there is confirmation by the original bettor. And fuck me, same thing with any contractual obligation. It needs two parties to enter an agreement. Are you serious? Bets are total different because you are wagering something so you need acceptance from both sides. Companies like Google put out 'bounties' for people finding bugs/exploit in their software. There is no need to 'accept'. You just report the bug when you find it and you get paid/reward. And why bring in contractual obligation, no one is saying Naniwa legally has to pay Taeja. It is just bad form... Companies be companies, people be people. This is more akin to betting 500 against nothing than it is to holding a sweepstakes. Not to mention that Naniwa was paying for Revival elimination, google's not gonna pay someone for "almost" fixing the bug either will they now. You really want to argue this? Google is not paying someone to FIX the bug. They are paying someone to show them an exploit. That person gets paid regardless of whether Google can fix the bug or not. Eventhough fixing the bug is Google's FINAL goal, the person still gets paid for helping to TRY to reach the final goal. Let's say you offer a tutor to help you study for a Math exam. Obviously, the final goal is to pass or do well in the exam. But unless you state your condition (getting an A) at the beginning, you will have to pay the tutor regardless of the outcome of the exam,no?
Hmm. Comparing Google paying ppl to find bugs to Naniwa's bounty situation would be more like Naniwa paying the players to actually show up for the match. It's a different story alltogether. I agree that this is more similar (given the situation) to a bet or wager. For the bounty to have ANY effect on the gameplay (which it should, the goal was meant to improve the play on an otherwise pointless match) the message (bounty) needs to be seen by the other part. How can we know that, i e, Taeja saw Naniwas post and acted upon the bounty if he didn't agree to it? So the issue is that we're asking someone to deliver something that is really hard to identify, therefore an agreement should be made.
Now I see that this isn't actually the issue, but rather that naniwa should have stated more obviously what his intention was, and based on this he should pay up. Ofcourse I base my view upon a moral standpoint, Naniwa does what he likes. If he feels like explaining what he meant was for revival to be eliminated before he payed up, that's up to Naniwa.
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On November 01 2013 15:05 TheWarWaffle wrote:
I guess Naniwa's bounty wasn't quite enough motivation...
Thats like saying the 100000$ Grand final price wasnt motivationg enough for anyone except the first place winner. If your not good enough it doesnt matter how motivated you are.
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i am so glad that revival made it, hope he wins the whole thing
usa, usa !!
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On November 01 2013 20:16 aoe2fan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 15:05 TheWarWaffle wrote:
I guess Naniwa's bounty wasn't quite enough motivation... Thats like saying the 100000$ Grand final price wasnt motivationg enough for anyone except the first place winner. If your not good enough it doesnt matter how motivated you are.
I think it was a joke. I know tl:ers are quite often being too snarky to realize it, but not every post is serious.
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Naniwa will destroy soulkey and drop out to some protoss. So calling it.
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Oh that are really good news, thought the challenger points the Revival would gain, would knock NaNiwa out of the top 16. One to rule them all, I guess. :D
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Am I the only one who has no idea when blizzcon is going to happen? We are talking about it more frequently for a couple of weeks now and in the "upcoming events list" is nothing. I have never seen any official announcement of any date and there is no timer in the right top corner. If this continues I´m gonna miss this so hard, I actually somehow though it´s this we...
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well that's pretty exciting, good luck to both!
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