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United States33492 Posts
EG's  Revival advanced in second place in his WCS America Challenger League group, earning him the 25 points neccesary to tie NaNiwa in the WCS point standings at 16th place. As previously announced by Blizzard, the tie will be resolved in a live, best-of-five match at Blizzcon. The winning player will advance to the 2013 WCS Grand Finals, also held at Blizzcon.
Ties for qualification to the Global Finals
If there is a tie across the Global Finals cutoff, the players in question will travel to BlizzCon to play an offline, best-of-five match to decide who will be seeded into the WCS Global Finals bracket.
Revival advanced in second place from WCS America Challenger League Group A, with wins against SeleCT and JonSnow and a loss against TaeJa.
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Best possible outcome imo
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I guess Naniwa's bounty wasn't quite enough motivation...
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United States23455 Posts
Just what the doctor ordered. More pre-blizzcon hype
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Seems pretty unfair to Soulkey for getting first in points just to have to prepare for both opponents, but I guess if you want to win Blizzcon you have to prepare for quite a few (stronger) opponents anyways.
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Hype trainnnnnn.
Goooooo Revival :D
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Still can't believe revival got that IEM seed
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Australia54784 Posts
On November 01 2013 15:07 UberNuB wrote:
Seems pretty unfair to Soulkey for getting first in points just to have to prepare for both opponents, but I guess if you want to win Blizzcon you have to prepare for quite a few (stronger) opponents anyways.
soulkey should really be able to roll these guys without a sweat though haha.
naniwa has it decent, just need to prepare for zerg for his first two matches.
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51500 Posts
Anyone know how the tiebreaker for Mvp/Alive will work out?
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EG.KR vs EG.EU, who will win?
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Revival's coming!
.....to get owned. Naniwa 3-1
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On November 01 2013 15:12 mnck wrote:
EG.KR vs EG.EU, who will win?
EG wins.
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Canada16217 Posts
On November 01 2013 15:11 GTR wrote:
Anyone know how the tiebreaker for Mvp/Alive will work out?
alive still has challenger so he can pass Mvp.
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On November 01 2013 15:07 UberNuB wrote:
Seems pretty unfair to Soulkey for getting first in points just to have to prepare for both opponents, but I guess if you want to win Blizzcon you have to prepare for quite a few (stronger) opponents anyways.
I can guarantee that Soulkey does not really care who comes out of this lol.
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On November 01 2013 15:15 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 15:07 UberNuB wrote:
Seems pretty unfair to Soulkey for getting first in points just to have to prepare for both opponents, but I guess if you want to win Blizzcon you have to prepare for quite a few (stronger) opponents anyways. I can guarantee that Soulkey does not really care who comes out of this lol.
I think Soulkey's thought process must be something like "I passed INnoVation in points and my 'reward' is I have to play either NaNiwa or a mirror match instead of a free win vs duckdeok?!"
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Inno is laughing his way to a RO8 match against Maru ._.
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Vancouver14381 Posts
On November 01 2013 15:11 GTR wrote:
Anyone know how the tiebreaker for Mvp/Alive will work out?
Mvp should be the higher seed if alive doesn't get any more points from WCS AM Challenger since Mvp has more points from WCS.
Ties within the Top 16 seeded players
Ties within the top 16 WCS players will be decided by cumulative points earned only in World Championship Series America, Europe, Korea, and Season Finals events. If a tie remains, it will be settled through points earned only in WCS Tier 1 events. If the players in question are still tied, seeding will be decided by coin-toss.
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Canada16217 Posts
On November 01 2013 15:20 JBright wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 15:11 GTR wrote:
Anyone know how the tiebreaker for Mvp/Alive will work out? Mvp should be the higher seed if alive doesn't get any more points from WCS AM Challenger since Mvp has more points from WCS.
is that how the seeding works?
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On November 01 2013 14:57 Waxangel wrote:
The winning player will advance to the 2012 WCS Grand Finals, also held at Blizzcon.
EG time machine?
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On November 01 2013 15:30 Caihead wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 14:57 Waxangel wrote:
The winning player will advance to the 2012 WCS Grand Finals, also held at Blizzcon.
EG time machine?
So that's where all their dirty eSports dollars went to...
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United States97276 Posts
I'm happy about there being another match
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Yea idk why anyone would be rooting against this happening
like, if you're a Naniwa fan, you probably think he could beat Revival, and it gives you more Nani games to watch
and if he can't beat revival, he doesn't belong there~
If Revival didn't make it it would've been sad :d
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I'm wondering if naniwa will pay his bounty to taeja cuz he did beat revival lol
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Revival most likely 3-0. Then he goes on to get 3-0'd by Innovation. The fact Naniwa beat him at one of the previous Season Finals makes me want to watch the rematch instead though.
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When will this be played?
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On November 01 2013 15:45 -RusH wrote:
Revival most likely 3-0. Then he goes on to get 3-0'd by Innovation. The fact Naniwa beat him at one of the previous Season Finals makes me want to watch the rematch instead though.
The winner of Revival/Naniwa plays Soulkey...
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Yay, go Revival!
All Korean Blizzcon gogogog
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On November 01 2013 15:19 XtreMe_au wrote:
Inno is laughing his way to a RO8 match against Maru ._.
Then he is pretty stupid as he lost against Naniwa last time, 0-2 even if I recall correctly.
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On November 01 2013 15:49 4ZakeN87 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 15:19 XtreMe_au wrote:
Inno is laughing his way to a RO8 match against Maru ._. Then he is pretty stupid as he lost against Naniwa last time, 0-2 even if I recall correctly.
Again, Innovation isn't playing NaNiwa... if NaNiwa makes it he plays Soulkey. Inno is thrilled I'm sure as he gets duckdeok, which is pretty much a bye into the RO8 for him. No offense, I like duckdeok, but come on.
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China6330 Posts
On November 01 2013 15:11 GTR wrote:
Anyone know how the tiebreaker for Mvp/Alive will work out?
aLive makes out of Challenger then he is 3625 ahead of Mvp, he plays Polt. if he didn't make out of his group then he is tied with Mvp at 3600, in this situation only WCS main event points are considered so Mvp, whose 3600 points came only from WCS main events, will came ahead of aLive who has points from IEM Shanghai.
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Naniwa shoulda offered more than 500
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So this means no foreigner at the WCS finals at blizzcon.
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This is probably the best way to deal with it. It's not all too bad if you lose either, you still got to Blizzcon. Naniwa can also keep his bounty.
Pretty weird how this turns out for Soulkey, though. Hopefully he beats whoever advances.
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It's a little sad that the loser between them will have flown all the way to blizzcon for the single match and will get nothing from it. It's a pretty volatile outcome to be flying to an event for.
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TI3 was so good Blizz went ahead and stole the wildcard match! 
Should be a good series anyway.
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On November 01 2013 16:30 Beakyboo wrote:
It's a little sad that the loser between them will have flown all the way to blizzcon for the single match and will get nothing from it. It's a pretty volatile outcome to be flying to an event for.
That's what I was thinking, but apparently it's an all expenses paid trip including flight and hotel. All Niniwa/Revival committing is bit of time, which gets them more exposure for their sponsors AND come on, you get a free trip to Blizzcon.
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This is pure awesome .... if Naniwa wins he owes himself 500 smackaroos
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As Naniwa is the best foreigner I really hope he will win the match! Go Naniwa!
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On November 01 2013 15:44 lystier wrote:
I'm wondering if naniwa will pay his bounty to taeja cuz he did beat revival lol
Nope, he already broke that promise on twitter. Apparently "beating a player" needs to be construed as "beating a player only if that player does not make it to Blizzcon." Also known as, I'm not guaranteed 5k, so I don't want to pay anything to anyone.
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This is so perfect. This might be the most hyped one-series match we have seen so far, we the highest stakes, i like it. A perfect chance for Naniwa and Revival to prove them self  get hyped folks
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does the loser of the tie-breaker get any money?
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On November 01 2013 15:47 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 15:45 -RusH wrote:
Revival most likely 3-0. Then he goes on to get 3-0'd by Innovation. The fact Naniwa beat him at one of the previous Season Finals makes me want to watch the rematch instead though. The winner of Revival/Naniwa plays Soulkey...
Oh yeah. Had no idea Innovation was surpassed. Well either way it's not like facing Soulkey instead is a much better option, the dude's a beast.
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China6330 Posts
On November 01 2013 17:03 dude1238 wrote:
does the loser of the tie-breaker get any money?
Nothing, not a single penny. The winner gets at least 5000 bucks.
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It would be nice to see a foreigner in the finals but I'm not a big fan of Naniwa personally. Will be rooting for Revival!
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congrats to Revival. I am gonna be cheering for you
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so will Naniwa just pay Blizzard for setting it up then?
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On November 01 2013 15:15 canikizu wrote:EU wins.
FYP 
I like how things turned out. Revival helping nani to save some money AND most probably is going to be destroyed in the process by him in the tie-breaker matches
Revival is a true teammate!
EG.EU Fighting!
NANI FIGHTING!
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Naniwa owes taeja money!
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On November 01 2013 16:59 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 15:44 lystier wrote:
I'm wondering if naniwa will pay his bounty to taeja cuz he did beat revival lol Nope, he already broke that promise on twitter. Apparently "beating a player" needs to be construed as "beating a player only if that player does not make it to Blizzcon." Also known as, I'm not guaranteed 5k, so I don't want to pay anything to anyone.
pretty obvious that was what he meant.
If you thought otherwise, and especially if you didnt reach out to accept and clarify his proposition, you only have yourself to blame.
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So somehow the first position, Soulkey is the worst of all the top positions due to the fact that this player has to prepare for two opponents, where as the rest of the players on the top positions, only have to prepare against one known opponent ... this kinda sucks for Soulkey.
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On November 01 2013 17:23 1Dhalism wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 16:59 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 15:44 lystier wrote:
I'm wondering if naniwa will pay his bounty to taeja cuz he did beat revival lol Nope, he already broke that promise on twitter. Apparently "beating a player" needs to be construed as "beating a player only if that player does not make it to Blizzcon." Also known as, I'm not guaranteed 5k, so I don't want to pay anything to anyone. pretty obvious that was what he meant. If you thought otherwise, and especially if you didnt reach out to accept and clarify his proposition, you only have yourself to blame.
While I appreciate the personal attack /s, I don't see how it's obvious that his words mean something entirely different:
He said in his tweet: "offering 500$ bounty to whoever wins vs revival". That's pretty unequivocal. It was also the interpretation Taeja had, as he contacted Naniwa over twitter after winning against Revival. In the end, Naniwa made the bounty a thing that people were talking about, then failed to pay it. Which misled a lot of people, including the actual beneficiary - Taeja.
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On November 01 2013 15:09 -JoKeR- wrote:
Still can't believe revival got that IEM seed
Same, that was so random. Must be something behind it, but we'll probably never know.
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On November 01 2013 17:34 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 17:23 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 16:59 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 15:44 lystier wrote:
I'm wondering if naniwa will pay his bounty to taeja cuz he did beat revival lol Nope, he already broke that promise on twitter. Apparently "beating a player" needs to be construed as "beating a player only if that player does not make it to Blizzcon." Also known as, I'm not guaranteed 5k, so I don't want to pay anything to anyone. pretty obvious that was what he meant. If you thought otherwise, and especially if you didnt reach out to accept and clarify his proposition, you only have yourself to blame. While I appreciate the personal attack /s, I don't see how it's obvious that his words mean something entirely different: He said in his tweet: "offering 500$ bounty to whoever wins vs revival". That's pretty unequivocal. It was also the interpretation Taeja had, as he contacted Naniwa over twitter after winning against Revival. In the end, Naniwa made the bounty a thing that people were talking about, then failed to pay it. Which misled a lot of people, including the actual beneficiary - Taeja.
Taeja should sue him. I already see the Esports-Lawyers having Esports dollar signs in their eyes.
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Russian Federation604 Posts
Wow! Naniwa will win, cmon my child
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Most likely naniwa will own revival and then loose to soulkey 0-3
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On November 01 2013 17:30 H.R.Giger wrote:
So somehow the first position, Soulkey is the worst of all the top positions due to the fact that this player has to prepare for two opponents, where as the rest of the players on the top positions, only have to prepare against one known opponent ... this kinda sucks for Soulkey.
Not really. You have to remember that the Naniwa and Revival also have less time to prepare for Soulkey (they will prepare more to play each other).
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Its all because Revival was given free points by ESL...he should never be that high in points, seeing his level of play ...
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On November 01 2013 17:34 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 17:23 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 16:59 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 15:44 lystier wrote:
I'm wondering if naniwa will pay his bounty to taeja cuz he did beat revival lol Nope, he already broke that promise on twitter. Apparently "beating a player" needs to be construed as "beating a player only if that player does not make it to Blizzcon." Also known as, I'm not guaranteed 5k, so I don't want to pay anything to anyone. pretty obvious that was what he meant. If you thought otherwise, and especially if you didnt reach out to accept and clarify his proposition, you only have yourself to blame. While I appreciate the personal attack /s, I don't see how it's obvious that his words mean something entirely different: He said in his tweet: "offering 500$ bounty to whoever wins vs revival". That's pretty unequivocal. It was also the interpretation Taeja had, as he contacted Naniwa over twitter after winning against Revival. In the end, Naniwa made the bounty a thing that people were talking about, then failed to pay it. Which misled a lot of people, including the actual beneficiary - Taeja.
Personal attacks? What?
That's just how the shit works. Unless you confirm this, or a bet, or whatever it's not "live."
That's how things are done. Look at all the bets done over at Liquidpoker. There's offer, there's the person who accepts the offer, and then there is confirmation by the original bettor.
And fuck me, same thing with any contractual obligation. It needs two parties to enter an agreement.
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On November 01 2013 17:23 1Dhalism wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 16:59 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 15:44 lystier wrote:
I'm wondering if naniwa will pay his bounty to taeja cuz he did beat revival lol Nope, he already broke that promise on twitter. Apparently "beating a player" needs to be construed as "beating a player only if that player does not make it to Blizzcon." Also known as, I'm not guaranteed 5k, so I don't want to pay anything to anyone. pretty obvious that was what he meant. If you thought otherwise, and especially if you didnt reach out to accept and clarify his proposition, you only have yourself to blame.
No. It was not obvious what he meant. Sure, that was Naniwa's final goal. However, any player beating Revival would have been a step towards that goal.
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Hmmm, thought that Revival forfeited his 2nd place match spot, but w/e, he had his own fair shot..
Guess it's nice to see another match..
However - wonder if Naniwa expected this to happen.. He's a little weird kind of guy, if he thinks that a tourney comes too fast then he doesn't give a f*ck about it whether it being Blizzcon or not, so i'm afraid he wouldn't have prepared.., I mean he's damn brilliant if he has like 2 months to prepare for a tourney, but he can also play terrible games provided by the lack of it..
but come on Nani - at least try to win vs Revival and see you in a group play..
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I find this to be really bad decisioning by ESL. They just gave someone close to the cutoff a random seed in IEM, which made this possible even without having a good run (Revival dropped out in the first round), whereas Nani got second in a tournament that he fought through the qualifier. ESL should really not give people close to cutoff a seed, as this is just not how a tie should happen.
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On November 01 2013 18:32 VArsovskiSC wrote:
Hmmm, thought that Revival forfeited his 2nd place match spot, but w/e, he had his own fair shot..
Guess it's nice to see another match..
However - wonder if Naniwa expected this to happen.. He's a little weird kind of guy, if he thinks that a tourney comes too fast then he doesn't give a f*ck about it whether it being Blizzcon or not, so i'm afraid he wouldn't have prepared.., I mean he's damn brilliant if he has like 2 months to prepare for a tourney, but he can also play terrible games provided by the lack of it..
but come on Nani - at least try to win vs Revival and see you in a group play..
I don't think you have to worry about NaNiwa not trying or being ready. He might be abit whiney on twitter, but he is damn good at preparing himself anyway.
Hopefully there will be some good games vs Revival @ the Blizz HQ as a warm up for BlizzCon.
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How can people say Inno is having an easier time than SK. Duckdeok is way better than Naniwa/Revival
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On November 01 2013 18:40 robertpires87 wrote:
How can people say Inno is having an easier time than SK. Duckdeok is way better than Naniwa/Revival
Inno is playing vs Duckdeok.
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On November 01 2013 18:30 1Dhalism wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 17:34 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 17:23 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 16:59 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 15:44 lystier wrote:
I'm wondering if naniwa will pay his bounty to taeja cuz he did beat revival lol Nope, he already broke that promise on twitter. Apparently "beating a player" needs to be construed as "beating a player only if that player does not make it to Blizzcon." Also known as, I'm not guaranteed 5k, so I don't want to pay anything to anyone. pretty obvious that was what he meant. If you thought otherwise, and especially if you didnt reach out to accept and clarify his proposition, you only have yourself to blame. While I appreciate the personal attack /s, I don't see how it's obvious that his words mean something entirely different: He said in his tweet: "offering 500$ bounty to whoever wins vs revival". That's pretty unequivocal. It was also the interpretation Taeja had, as he contacted Naniwa over twitter after winning against Revival. In the end, Naniwa made the bounty a thing that people were talking about, then failed to pay it. Which misled a lot of people, including the actual beneficiary - Taeja. Personal attacks? What? That's just how the shit works. Unless you confirm this, or a bet, or whatever it's not "live." That's how things are done. Look at all the bets done over at Liquidpoker. There's offer, there's the person who accepts the offer, and then there is confirmation by the original bettor. And fuck me, same thing with any contractual obligation. It needs two parties to enter an agreement.
Are you serious? Bets are total different because you are wagering something so you need acceptance from both sides.
Companies like Google put out 'bounties' for people finding bugs/exploit in their software. There is no need to 'accept'. You just report the bug when you find it and you get paid/reward.
And why bring in contractual obligation, no one is saying Naniwa legally has to pay Taeja. It is just bad form...
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On November 01 2013 15:14 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Revival's coming!
..... to destroy NaNiwa. 3-0 Revival wins!
^fixed that for ya
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The problem for Naniwa having to play Revival first is that he'll have to show some of his prepared PvZ builds, so Soulkey will get a good look at how Naniwa plays. I think that's a real big disadvantage for Naniwa if he does make it into the brackets. Wouldn't consider only having to practice one matchup as an advantage necessarily.
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On November 01 2013 18:43 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 18:30 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 17:34 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 17:23 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 16:59 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 15:44 lystier wrote:
I'm wondering if naniwa will pay his bounty to taeja cuz he did beat revival lol Nope, he already broke that promise on twitter. Apparently "beating a player" needs to be construed as "beating a player only if that player does not make it to Blizzcon." Also known as, I'm not guaranteed 5k, so I don't want to pay anything to anyone. pretty obvious that was what he meant. If you thought otherwise, and especially if you didnt reach out to accept and clarify his proposition, you only have yourself to blame. While I appreciate the personal attack /s, I don't see how it's obvious that his words mean something entirely different: He said in his tweet: "offering 500$ bounty to whoever wins vs revival". That's pretty unequivocal. It was also the interpretation Taeja had, as he contacted Naniwa over twitter after winning against Revival. In the end, Naniwa made the bounty a thing that people were talking about, then failed to pay it. Which misled a lot of people, including the actual beneficiary - Taeja. Personal attacks? What? That's just how the shit works. Unless you confirm this, or a bet, or whatever it's not "live." That's how things are done. Look at all the bets done over at Liquidpoker. There's offer, there's the person who accepts the offer, and then there is confirmation by the original bettor. And fuck me, same thing with any contractual obligation. It needs two parties to enter an agreement. Are you serious? Bets are total different because you are wagering something so you need acceptance from both sides. Companies like Google put out 'bounties' for people finding bugs/exploit in their software. There is no need to 'accept'. You just report the bug when you find it and you get paid/reward. And why bring in contractual obligation, no one is saying Naniwa legally has to pay Taeja. It is just bad form...
Companies be companies, people be people. This is more akin to betting 500 against nothing than it is to holding a sweepstakes.
Not to mention that Naniwa was paying for Revival elimination, google's not gonna pay someone for "almost" fixing the bug either will they now.
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On November 01 2013 18:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
The problem for Naniwa having to play Revival first is that he'll have to show some of his prepared PvZ builds, so Soulkey will get a good look at how Naniwa plays. I think that's a real big disadvantage for Naniwa if he does make it into the brackets. Wouldn't consider only having to practice one matchup as an advantage necessarily.
So showing builds is a disadvantage while practicing 1 match up isn't an advantage. That is pretty arbitary. If anything, those 2 things kind of cancel each other out.
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On November 01 2013 18:51 1Dhalism wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 18:43 vthree wrote:On November 01 2013 18:30 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 17:34 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 17:23 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 16:59 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 15:44 lystier wrote:
I'm wondering if naniwa will pay his bounty to taeja cuz he did beat revival lol Nope, he already broke that promise on twitter. Apparently "beating a player" needs to be construed as "beating a player only if that player does not make it to Blizzcon." Also known as, I'm not guaranteed 5k, so I don't want to pay anything to anyone. pretty obvious that was what he meant. If you thought otherwise, and especially if you didnt reach out to accept and clarify his proposition, you only have yourself to blame. While I appreciate the personal attack /s, I don't see how it's obvious that his words mean something entirely different: He said in his tweet: "offering 500$ bounty to whoever wins vs revival". That's pretty unequivocal. It was also the interpretation Taeja had, as he contacted Naniwa over twitter after winning against Revival. In the end, Naniwa made the bounty a thing that people were talking about, then failed to pay it. Which misled a lot of people, including the actual beneficiary - Taeja. Personal attacks? What? That's just how the shit works. Unless you confirm this, or a bet, or whatever it's not "live." That's how things are done. Look at all the bets done over at Liquidpoker. There's offer, there's the person who accepts the offer, and then there is confirmation by the original bettor. And fuck me, same thing with any contractual obligation. It needs two parties to enter an agreement. Are you serious? Bets are total different because you are wagering something so you need acceptance from both sides. Companies like Google put out 'bounties' for people finding bugs/exploit in their software. There is no need to 'accept'. You just report the bug when you find it and you get paid/reward. And why bring in contractual obligation, no one is saying Naniwa legally has to pay Taeja. It is just bad form... Companies be companies, people be people. This is more akin to betting 500 against nothing than it is to holding a sweepstakes. Not to mention that Naniwa was paying for Revival elimination, google's not gonna pay someone for "almost" fixing the bug either will they now.
You really want to argue this?
Google is not paying someone to FIX the bug. They are paying someone to show them an exploit. That person gets paid regardless of whether Google can fix the bug or not. Eventhough fixing the bug is Google's FINAL goal, the person still gets paid for helping to TRY to reach the final goal.
Let's say you offer a tutor to help you study for a Math exam. Obviously, the final goal is to pass or do well in the exam. But unless you state your condition (getting an A) at the beginning, you will have to pay the tutor regardless of the outcome of the exam,no?
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On November 01 2013 18:55 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 18:51 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 18:43 vthree wrote:On November 01 2013 18:30 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 17:34 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 17:23 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 16:59 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 15:44 lystier wrote:
I'm wondering if naniwa will pay his bounty to taeja cuz he did beat revival lol Nope, he already broke that promise on twitter. Apparently "beating a player" needs to be construed as "beating a player only if that player does not make it to Blizzcon." Also known as, I'm not guaranteed 5k, so I don't want to pay anything to anyone. pretty obvious that was what he meant. If you thought otherwise, and especially if you didnt reach out to accept and clarify his proposition, you only have yourself to blame. While I appreciate the personal attack /s, I don't see how it's obvious that his words mean something entirely different: He said in his tweet: "offering 500$ bounty to whoever wins vs revival". That's pretty unequivocal. It was also the interpretation Taeja had, as he contacted Naniwa over twitter after winning against Revival. In the end, Naniwa made the bounty a thing that people were talking about, then failed to pay it. Which misled a lot of people, including the actual beneficiary - Taeja. Personal attacks? What? That's just how the shit works. Unless you confirm this, or a bet, or whatever it's not "live." That's how things are done. Look at all the bets done over at Liquidpoker. There's offer, there's the person who accepts the offer, and then there is confirmation by the original bettor. And fuck me, same thing with any contractual obligation. It needs two parties to enter an agreement. Are you serious? Bets are total different because you are wagering something so you need acceptance from both sides. Companies like Google put out 'bounties' for people finding bugs/exploit in their software. There is no need to 'accept'. You just report the bug when you find it and you get paid/reward. And why bring in contractual obligation, no one is saying Naniwa legally has to pay Taeja. It is just bad form... Companies be companies, people be people. This is more akin to betting 500 against nothing than it is to holding a sweepstakes. Not to mention that Naniwa was paying for Revival elimination, google's not gonna pay someone for "almost" fixing the bug either will they now. You really want to argue this? Google is not paying someone to FIX the bug. They are paying someone to show them an exploit. That person gets paid regardless of whether Google can fix the bug or not. Eventhough fixing the bug is Google's FINAL goal, the person still gets paid for helping to TRY to reach the final goal. Let's say you offer a tutor to help you study for a Math exam. Obviously, the final goal is to pass or do well in the exam. But unless you state your condition (getting an A) at the beginning, you will have to paid the tutor regardless of the outcome of the exam,no?
what?
the point isnt what in particular google wants. The point is that they don't pay for someone not doing what they want.
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On November 01 2013 18:58 1Dhalism wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 18:55 vthree wrote:On November 01 2013 18:51 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 18:43 vthree wrote:On November 01 2013 18:30 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 17:34 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 17:23 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 16:59 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 15:44 lystier wrote:
I'm wondering if naniwa will pay his bounty to taeja cuz he did beat revival lol Nope, he already broke that promise on twitter. Apparently "beating a player" needs to be construed as "beating a player only if that player does not make it to Blizzcon." Also known as, I'm not guaranteed 5k, so I don't want to pay anything to anyone. pretty obvious that was what he meant. If you thought otherwise, and especially if you didnt reach out to accept and clarify his proposition, you only have yourself to blame. While I appreciate the personal attack /s, I don't see how it's obvious that his words mean something entirely different: He said in his tweet: "offering 500$ bounty to whoever wins vs revival". That's pretty unequivocal. It was also the interpretation Taeja had, as he contacted Naniwa over twitter after winning against Revival. In the end, Naniwa made the bounty a thing that people were talking about, then failed to pay it. Which misled a lot of people, including the actual beneficiary - Taeja. Personal attacks? What? That's just how the shit works. Unless you confirm this, or a bet, or whatever it's not "live." That's how things are done. Look at all the bets done over at Liquidpoker. There's offer, there's the person who accepts the offer, and then there is confirmation by the original bettor. And fuck me, same thing with any contractual obligation. It needs two parties to enter an agreement. Are you serious? Bets are total different because you are wagering something so you need acceptance from both sides. Companies like Google put out 'bounties' for people finding bugs/exploit in their software. There is no need to 'accept'. You just report the bug when you find it and you get paid/reward. And why bring in contractual obligation, no one is saying Naniwa legally has to pay Taeja. It is just bad form... Companies be companies, people be people. This is more akin to betting 500 against nothing than it is to holding a sweepstakes. Not to mention that Naniwa was paying for Revival elimination, google's not gonna pay someone for "almost" fixing the bug either will they now. You really want to argue this? Google is not paying someone to FIX the bug. They are paying someone to show them an exploit. That person gets paid regardless of whether Google can fix the bug or not. Eventhough fixing the bug is Google's FINAL goal, the person still gets paid for helping to TRY to reach the final goal. Let's say you offer a tutor to help you study for a Math exam. Obviously, the final goal is to pass or do well in the exam. But unless you state your condition (getting an A) at the beginning, you will have to paid the tutor regardless of the outcome of the exam,no? what? the point isnt what in particular google wants. The point is that they don't pay for someone not doing what they want.
I honestly don't see how you're arguing this point. If google says "We'll pay you if you find a bug," then anyone that does find a bug will get paid. Even if the bug cannot be fixed, google still pays out. The point is, if you say "A", you cannot go around saying "A only if B as well". That's being dishonest.
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i can't see both players doing well against soulkey so yea, gogo soulkey lol
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On November 01 2013 19:04 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 18:58 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 18:55 vthree wrote:On November 01 2013 18:51 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 18:43 vthree wrote:On November 01 2013 18:30 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 17:34 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 17:23 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 16:59 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 15:44 lystier wrote:
I'm wondering if naniwa will pay his bounty to taeja cuz he did beat revival lol Nope, he already broke that promise on twitter. Apparently "beating a player" needs to be construed as "beating a player only if that player does not make it to Blizzcon." Also known as, I'm not guaranteed 5k, so I don't want to pay anything to anyone. pretty obvious that was what he meant. If you thought otherwise, and especially if you didnt reach out to accept and clarify his proposition, you only have yourself to blame. While I appreciate the personal attack /s, I don't see how it's obvious that his words mean something entirely different: He said in his tweet: "offering 500$ bounty to whoever wins vs revival". That's pretty unequivocal. It was also the interpretation Taeja had, as he contacted Naniwa over twitter after winning against Revival. In the end, Naniwa made the bounty a thing that people were talking about, then failed to pay it. Which misled a lot of people, including the actual beneficiary - Taeja. Personal attacks? What? That's just how the shit works. Unless you confirm this, or a bet, or whatever it's not "live." That's how things are done. Look at all the bets done over at Liquidpoker. There's offer, there's the person who accepts the offer, and then there is confirmation by the original bettor. And fuck me, same thing with any contractual obligation. It needs two parties to enter an agreement. Are you serious? Bets are total different because you are wagering something so you need acceptance from both sides. Companies like Google put out 'bounties' for people finding bugs/exploit in their software. There is no need to 'accept'. You just report the bug when you find it and you get paid/reward. And why bring in contractual obligation, no one is saying Naniwa legally has to pay Taeja. It is just bad form... Companies be companies, people be people. This is more akin to betting 500 against nothing than it is to holding a sweepstakes. Not to mention that Naniwa was paying for Revival elimination, google's not gonna pay someone for "almost" fixing the bug either will they now. You really want to argue this? Google is not paying someone to FIX the bug. They are paying someone to show them an exploit. That person gets paid regardless of whether Google can fix the bug or not. Eventhough fixing the bug is Google's FINAL goal, the person still gets paid for helping to TRY to reach the final goal. Let's say you offer a tutor to help you study for a Math exam. Obviously, the final goal is to pass or do well in the exam. But unless you state your condition (getting an A) at the beginning, you will have to paid the tutor regardless of the outcome of the exam,no? what? the point isnt what in particular google wants. The point is that they don't pay for someone not doing what they want. I honestly don't see how you're arguing this point. If google says "We'll pay you if you find a bug," then anyone that does find a bug will get paid. Even if the bug cannot be fixed, google still pays out. The point is, if you say "A", you cannot go around saying "A only if B as well". That's being dishonest.
No it's not being dishonest. That's why any contest like the one you describe has a rulebook 10s of pages long.
The only thing Naniwa is guilty of is poorly phrasing that shit.
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So there's half a foreigner + 15,5 Koreans in the top 16?
That's a bit discouraging, but I'm glad the foreigner who half-made it is Naniwa. He deserves it, and I think he has a good chance against Revival and a ~40% chance against Soulkey.
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Naniwa can beat ANYONE on a good day, but it really depends what his mindset is that day. if he beats Revival and then can overcome SK he can go far.
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I think this game is going to depend on what Naniwa can bring to the table. Sometimes he brings something truly brilliant to the game and becomes such a beast of a player! Other time he has not been able to find something to make that difference and then he does not stand out. Revival, on the other hand, seems to be more consistent and I feel like much more certain in what level of play he is going to bring.
So if Naniwa can bring his A-game / next level game to the match then I'd definitely favor him! If not, then I'd have to go with Revival's consistency.
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I dont care who wins its basically win-win for me. Either:
a) we get a foreigner to add more hype to blizzcon
b) we get another zerg in the brackets
Pretty sure whoever wins is gonna get roflstomped by Soulkey anyway
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On November 01 2013 19:06 ETisME wrote:
i can't see both players doing well against soulkey so yea, gogo soulkey lol
anti revival/nani hype killing esports
GOGO NANI!
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If Naniwa loses vs Revival then that's it. No point watching the finals for me.
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Now we just need MC to cast this with Idra.
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as expected after i saw the group
it was just a TO easy group with select and jon not rly having any chances, isnt 2011 select is no rly enemy for such a player anymore
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On November 01 2013 18:55 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 18:51 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 18:43 vthree wrote:On November 01 2013 18:30 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 17:34 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 17:23 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 16:59 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 15:44 lystier wrote:
I'm wondering if naniwa will pay his bounty to taeja cuz he did beat revival lol Nope, he already broke that promise on twitter. Apparently "beating a player" needs to be construed as "beating a player only if that player does not make it to Blizzcon." Also known as, I'm not guaranteed 5k, so I don't want to pay anything to anyone. pretty obvious that was what he meant. If you thought otherwise, and especially if you didnt reach out to accept and clarify his proposition, you only have yourself to blame. While I appreciate the personal attack /s, I don't see how it's obvious that his words mean something entirely different: He said in his tweet: "offering 500$ bounty to whoever wins vs revival". That's pretty unequivocal. It was also the interpretation Taeja had, as he contacted Naniwa over twitter after winning against Revival. In the end, Naniwa made the bounty a thing that people were talking about, then failed to pay it. Which misled a lot of people, including the actual beneficiary - Taeja. Personal attacks? What? That's just how the shit works. Unless you confirm this, or a bet, or whatever it's not "live." That's how things are done. Look at all the bets done over at Liquidpoker. There's offer, there's the person who accepts the offer, and then there is confirmation by the original bettor. And fuck me, same thing with any contractual obligation. It needs two parties to enter an agreement. Are you serious? Bets are total different because you are wagering something so you need acceptance from both sides. Companies like Google put out 'bounties' for people finding bugs/exploit in their software. There is no need to 'accept'. You just report the bug when you find it and you get paid/reward. And why bring in contractual obligation, no one is saying Naniwa legally has to pay Taeja. It is just bad form... Companies be companies, people be people. This is more akin to betting 500 against nothing than it is to holding a sweepstakes. Not to mention that Naniwa was paying for Revival elimination, google's not gonna pay someone for "almost" fixing the bug either will they now. You really want to argue this? Google is not paying someone to FIX the bug. They are paying someone to show them an exploit. That person gets paid regardless of whether Google can fix the bug or not. Eventhough fixing the bug is Google's FINAL goal, the person still gets paid for helping to TRY to reach the final goal. Let's say you offer a tutor to help you study for a Math exam. Obviously, the final goal is to pass or do well in the exam. But unless you state your condition (getting an A) at the beginning, you will have to pay the tutor regardless of the outcome of the exam,no?
Hmm. Comparing Google paying ppl to find bugs to Naniwa's bounty situation would be more like Naniwa paying the players to actually show up for the match. It's a different story alltogether. I agree that this is more similar (given the situation) to a bet or wager. For the bounty to have ANY effect on the gameplay (which it should, the goal was meant to improve the play on an otherwise pointless match) the message (bounty) needs to be seen by the other part. How can we know that, i e, Taeja saw Naniwas post and acted upon the bounty if he didn't agree to it? So the issue is that we're asking someone to deliver something that is really hard to identify, therefore an agreement should be made.
Now I see that this isn't actually the issue, but rather that naniwa should have stated more obviously what his intention was, and based on this he should pay up. Ofcourse I base my view upon a moral standpoint, Naniwa does what he likes. If he feels like explaining what he meant was for revival to be eliminated before he payed up, that's up to Naniwa.
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On November 01 2013 15:05 TheWarWaffle wrote:
I guess Naniwa's bounty wasn't quite enough motivation...
Thats like saying the 100000$ Grand final price wasnt motivationg enough for anyone except the first place winner. If your not good enough it doesnt matter how motivated you are.
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i am so glad that revival made it, hope he wins the whole thing
usa, usa !!
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On November 01 2013 20:16 aoe2fan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 15:05 TheWarWaffle wrote:
I guess Naniwa's bounty wasn't quite enough motivation... Thats like saying the 100000$ Grand final price wasnt motivationg enough for anyone except the first place winner. If your not good enough it doesnt matter how motivated you are.
I think it was a joke. I know tl:ers are quite often being too snarky to realize it, but not every post is serious.
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Naniwa will destroy soulkey and drop out to some protoss. So calling it.
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Oh that are really good news, thought the challenger points the Revival would gain, would knock NaNiwa out of the top 16. One to rule them all, I guess. :D
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Am I the only one who has no idea when blizzcon is going to happen? We are talking about it more frequently for a couple of weeks now and in the "upcoming events list" is nothing. I have never seen any official announcement of any date and there is no timer in the right top corner. If this continues I´m gonna miss this so hard, I actually somehow though it´s this we...
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well that's pretty exciting, good luck to both!
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Seriously people, if you're all fired up about pros not been paid money they're owed why don't you direct your attention to the organisers of IPL5 who apparently owe in excess of $50,000 and stop berating a player who may or may not have flaked out on an open bet he may or may not have been serious about.
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On November 01 2013 21:15 Greendotz wrote:
Seriously people, if you're all fired up about pros not been paid money they're owed why don't you direct your attention to the organisers of IPL5 who apparently owe in excess of $50,000 and stop berating a player who may or may not have flaked out on an open bet he may or may not have been serious about.
I thought the IPL5 money scandal was a huge thing? It's not like they got away with it. But even if some people did turn a blind eye, two wrongs don't make a right.
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On November 01 2013 21:17 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 21:15 Greendotz wrote:
Seriously people, if you're all fired up about pros not been paid money they're owed why don't you direct your attention to the organisers of IPL5 who apparently owe in excess of $50,000 and stop berating a player who may or may not have flaked out on an open bet he may or may not have been serious about. I thought the IPL5 money scandal was a huge thing? It's not like they got away with it. But even if some people did turn a blind eye, two wrongs don't make a right.
I believe a few low placing pros (Huk?) did receive their money after the initial twitter/reddit shitstorm. However about 3 weeks ago I heard Leenock still hasn't been paid his 40k (source from Choya's twitter, fairly reliable) to which some other pros relied that they also hadn't been paid. So while everyone does know about it I believe they've still gotten away with it.
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On November 01 2013 19:09 1Dhalism wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 19:04 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 18:58 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 18:55 vthree wrote:On November 01 2013 18:51 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 18:43 vthree wrote:On November 01 2013 18:30 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 17:34 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 17:23 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 16:59 Ghanburighan wrote:
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Nope, he already broke that promise on twitter. Apparently "beating a player" needs to be construed as "beating a player only if that player does not make it to Blizzcon." Also known as, I'm not guaranteed 5k, so I don't want to pay anything to anyone. pretty obvious that was what he meant. If you thought otherwise, and especially if you didnt reach out to accept and clarify his proposition, you only have yourself to blame. While I appreciate the personal attack /s, I don't see how it's obvious that his words mean something entirely different: He said in his tweet: "offering 500$ bounty to whoever wins vs revival". That's pretty unequivocal. It was also the interpretation Taeja had, as he contacted Naniwa over twitter after winning against Revival. In the end, Naniwa made the bounty a thing that people were talking about, then failed to pay it. Which misled a lot of people, including the actual beneficiary - Taeja. Personal attacks? What? That's just how the shit works. Unless you confirm this, or a bet, or whatever it's not "live." That's how things are done. Look at all the bets done over at Liquidpoker. There's offer, there's the person who accepts the offer, and then there is confirmation by the original bettor. And fuck me, same thing with any contractual obligation. It needs two parties to enter an agreement. Are you serious? Bets are total different because you are wagering something so you need acceptance from both sides. Companies like Google put out 'bounties' for people finding bugs/exploit in their software. There is no need to 'accept'. You just report the bug when you find it and you get paid/reward. And why bring in contractual obligation, no one is saying Naniwa legally has to pay Taeja. It is just bad form... Companies be companies, people be people. This is more akin to betting 500 against nothing than it is to holding a sweepstakes. Not to mention that Naniwa was paying for Revival elimination, google's not gonna pay someone for "almost" fixing the bug either will they now. You really want to argue this? Google is not paying someone to FIX the bug. They are paying someone to show them an exploit. That person gets paid regardless of whether Google can fix the bug or not. Eventhough fixing the bug is Google's FINAL goal, the person still gets paid for helping to TRY to reach the final goal. Let's say you offer a tutor to help you study for a Math exam. Obviously, the final goal is to pass or do well in the exam. But unless you state your condition (getting an A) at the beginning, you will have to paid the tutor regardless of the outcome of the exam,no? what? the point isnt what in particular google wants. The point is that they don't pay for someone not doing what they want. I honestly don't see how you're arguing this point. If google says "We'll pay you if you find a bug," then anyone that does find a bug will get paid. Even if the bug cannot be fixed, google still pays out. The point is, if you say "A", you cannot go around saying "A only if B as well". That's being dishonest. No it's not being dishonest. That's why any contest like the one you describe has a rulebook 10s of pages long. The only thing Naniwa is guilty of is poorly phrasing that shit.
Err mate you are aware that the position you are trying to defend is completely wrong and against common law here right?
You are drawing an analogy which really doesn't apply.
Let me quote Naniwa's tweet:
since theres not much reason to try your best in wcs anymore right now, offering 500$ bounty to whoever wins vs revival :D
So this is the "offer" made by Naniwa. He doesn't mention what one must do to accept, the only thing he demands is that someone wins against Revival. Taeja did win. Naniwa doesn't pay.
I could go look for my legal dictionary and start throwing technical terms around, but frankly it is moot. Simply put Naniwa welched on a side bet. I doubt anything will come of it, but it shows (for the xth time basically) that he really has no sense of honor.
You can try to twist and turn what he meant by "wins" but frankly it really doesn't matter. He didn't say "to whoever eliminates revival" he said "wins". In this game that definition is crystal clear.
Regarding your first post, let just ask you one thing: In what world is "whoever wins against Revival" synonymous to "whoever eliminates Revival from a tournament" ?
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Man I really wanted Naniwa to play in blizzcon. Looks like its going to be an all Korean Blizzcon this year lol. Not to take anything away from the players but It would have been nice to see someone that is not korean be up there in the top 16 for the year.
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Would prefer it if the No1 seed (Soulkey) got to pick his opponent from seeds 9–16, followed by Innovation picking his opponent etc. That would add even more hype – if it's even possible
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On November 01 2013 18:34 Mafab wrote:
I find this to be really bad decisioning by ESL. They just gave someone close to the cutoff a random seed in IEM, which made this possible even without having a good run (Revival dropped out in the first round), whereas Nani got second in a tournament that he fought through the qualifier. ESL should really not give people close to cutoff a seed, as this is just not how a tie should happen.
Very good point.
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On November 01 2013 21:29 Pirfiktshon wrote:
Man I really wanted Naniwa to play in blizzcon. Looks like its going to be an all Korean Blizzcon this year lol. Not to take anything away from the players but It would have been nice to see someone that is not korean be up there in the top 16 for the year.
As much as I want to deny it, if Naniwa is in a positive mind set he will have a good chance against Revival because of their playstyles. Which is sad because SoulKey has no chance at all at winning against Revival ! So go Revival win it all ! And give Select the 500 dollar for not sleeping for 24hours prior to his matches.
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more sc2 games YESSS HYPE HYPE HYPE
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On November 01 2013 21:29 Tula wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 19:09 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 19:04 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 18:58 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 18:55 vthree wrote:On November 01 2013 18:51 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 18:43 vthree wrote:On November 01 2013 18:30 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 17:34 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 17:23 1Dhalism wrote:
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pretty obvious that was what he meant.
If you thought otherwise, and especially if you didnt reach out to accept and clarify his proposition, you only have yourself to blame. While I appreciate the personal attack /s, I don't see how it's obvious that his words mean something entirely different: He said in his tweet: "offering 500$ bounty to whoever wins vs revival". That's pretty unequivocal. It was also the interpretation Taeja had, as he contacted Naniwa over twitter after winning against Revival. In the end, Naniwa made the bounty a thing that people were talking about, then failed to pay it. Which misled a lot of people, including the actual beneficiary - Taeja. Personal attacks? What? That's just how the shit works. Unless you confirm this, or a bet, or whatever it's not "live." That's how things are done. Look at all the bets done over at Liquidpoker. There's offer, there's the person who accepts the offer, and then there is confirmation by the original bettor. And fuck me, same thing with any contractual obligation. It needs two parties to enter an agreement. Are you serious? Bets are total different because you are wagering something so you need acceptance from both sides. Companies like Google put out 'bounties' for people finding bugs/exploit in their software. There is no need to 'accept'. You just report the bug when you find it and you get paid/reward. And why bring in contractual obligation, no one is saying Naniwa legally has to pay Taeja. It is just bad form... Companies be companies, people be people. This is more akin to betting 500 against nothing than it is to holding a sweepstakes. Not to mention that Naniwa was paying for Revival elimination, google's not gonna pay someone for "almost" fixing the bug either will they now. You really want to argue this? Google is not paying someone to FIX the bug. They are paying someone to show them an exploit. That person gets paid regardless of whether Google can fix the bug or not. Eventhough fixing the bug is Google's FINAL goal, the person still gets paid for helping to TRY to reach the final goal. Let's say you offer a tutor to help you study for a Math exam. Obviously, the final goal is to pass or do well in the exam. But unless you state your condition (getting an A) at the beginning, you will have to paid the tutor regardless of the outcome of the exam,no? what? the point isnt what in particular google wants. The point is that they don't pay for someone not doing what they want. I honestly don't see how you're arguing this point. If google says "We'll pay you if you find a bug," then anyone that does find a bug will get paid. Even if the bug cannot be fixed, google still pays out. The point is, if you say "A", you cannot go around saying "A only if B as well". That's being dishonest. No it's not being dishonest. That's why any contest like the one you describe has a rulebook 10s of pages long. The only thing Naniwa is guilty of is poorly phrasing that shit. Err mate you are aware that the position you are trying to defend is completely wrong and against common law here right? You are drawing an analogy which really doesn't apply. Let me quote Naniwa's tweet: Show nested quote +
since theres not much reason to try your best in wcs anymore right now, offering 500$ bounty to whoever wins vs revival :D
So this is the "offer" made by Naniwa. He doesn't mention what one must do to accept, the only thing he demands is that someone wins against Revival. Taeja did win. Naniwa doesn't pay. I could go look for my legal dictionary and start throwing technical terms around, but frankly it is moot. Simply put Naniwa welched on a side bet. I doubt anything will come of it, but it shows (for the xth time basically) that he really has no sense of honor. You can try to twist and turn what he meant by "wins" but frankly it really doesn't matter. He didn't say "to whoever eliminates revival" he said "wins". In this game that definition is crystal clear. Regarding your first post, let just ask you one thing: In what world is "whoever wins against Revival" synonymous to "whoever eliminates Revival from a tournament" ?
Nobody cares.
I'm sure this match will generate a huge amount of hype, but the winner will most likely get stomped by Soulkey anyway, so I don't think it matters all that much.
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This is such a load of bullshit.
Revival getting free points and all.
NANIWA FIGHTING
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nevertheless, both players are getting teased a blizzcon...
you're here but you can't compete, sucka.
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Good way to settle it! I don't think either one can win against Soulkey tough, but I feel like Nani have the best chance.
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As someone said, this is the best possible outcome since this match will generate a lot of hype!
It would be really petty from Taeja if he wants money even though Revival got through, though.
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On November 01 2013 21:29 Tula wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 19:09 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 19:04 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 18:58 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 18:55 vthree wrote:On November 01 2013 18:51 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 18:43 vthree wrote:On November 01 2013 18:30 1Dhalism wrote:On November 01 2013 17:34 Ghanburighan wrote:On November 01 2013 17:23 1Dhalism wrote:
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pretty obvious that was what he meant.
If you thought otherwise, and especially if you didnt reach out to accept and clarify his proposition, you only have yourself to blame. While I appreciate the personal attack /s, I don't see how it's obvious that his words mean something entirely different: He said in his tweet: "offering 500$ bounty to whoever wins vs revival". That's pretty unequivocal. It was also the interpretation Taeja had, as he contacted Naniwa over twitter after winning against Revival. In the end, Naniwa made the bounty a thing that people were talking about, then failed to pay it. Which misled a lot of people, including the actual beneficiary - Taeja. Personal attacks? What? That's just how the shit works. Unless you confirm this, or a bet, or whatever it's not "live." That's how things are done. Look at all the bets done over at Liquidpoker. There's offer, there's the person who accepts the offer, and then there is confirmation by the original bettor. And fuck me, same thing with any contractual obligation. It needs two parties to enter an agreement. Are you serious? Bets are total different because you are wagering something so you need acceptance from both sides. Companies like Google put out 'bounties' for people finding bugs/exploit in their software. There is no need to 'accept'. You just report the bug when you find it and you get paid/reward. And why bring in contractual obligation, no one is saying Naniwa legally has to pay Taeja. It is just bad form... Companies be companies, people be people. This is more akin to betting 500 against nothing than it is to holding a sweepstakes. Not to mention that Naniwa was paying for Revival elimination, google's not gonna pay someone for "almost" fixing the bug either will they now. You really want to argue this? Google is not paying someone to FIX the bug. They are paying someone to show them an exploit. That person gets paid regardless of whether Google can fix the bug or not. Eventhough fixing the bug is Google's FINAL goal, the person still gets paid for helping to TRY to reach the final goal. Let's say you offer a tutor to help you study for a Math exam. Obviously, the final goal is to pass or do well in the exam. But unless you state your condition (getting an A) at the beginning, you will have to paid the tutor regardless of the outcome of the exam,no? what? the point isnt what in particular google wants. The point is that they don't pay for someone not doing what they want. I honestly don't see how you're arguing this point. If google says "We'll pay you if you find a bug," then anyone that does find a bug will get paid. Even if the bug cannot be fixed, google still pays out. The point is, if you say "A", you cannot go around saying "A only if B as well". That's being dishonest. No it's not being dishonest. That's why any contest like the one you describe has a rulebook 10s of pages long. The only thing Naniwa is guilty of is poorly phrasing that shit. Err mate you are aware that the position you are trying to defend is completely wrong and against common law here right? You are drawing an analogy which really doesn't apply. Let me quote Naniwa's tweet: Show nested quote +
since theres not much reason to try your best in wcs anymore right now, offering 500$ bounty to whoever wins vs revival :D
So this is the "offer" made by Naniwa. He doesn't mention what one must do to accept, the only thing he demands is that someone wins against Revival. Taeja did win. Naniwa doesn't pay. I could go look for my legal dictionary and start throwing technical terms around, but frankly it is moot. Simply put Naniwa welched on a side bet. I doubt anything will come of it, but it shows (for the xth time basically) that he really has no sense of honor. You can try to twist and turn what he meant by "wins" but frankly it really doesn't matter. He didn't say "to whoever eliminates revival" he said "wins". In this game that definition is crystal clear. Regarding your first post, let just ask you one thing: In what world is "whoever wins against Revival" synonymous to "whoever eliminates Revival from a tournament" ?
It's a tweet.. it's quite logical that it was only relevant to Naniwa that Revival got knocked out, not just suffered one loss.
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I think everybody is a winner, and I hope Naniwa is twice the winner and advances into the actual finals because that would add SUCH a great story line.
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On November 01 2013 15:15 canikizu wrote:EG wins.
More like win-win scenario for the Otter.
On November 01 2013 22:16 TXRaunchy wrote:
nevertheless, both players are getting teased a blizzcon...
you're here but you can't compete, sucka.
Who wouldn't like vacation at Blizzcon? o-O
On November 01 2013 23:01 Jampackedeon wrote:
I think everybody is a winner, and I hope Naniwa is twice the winner and advances into the actual finals because that would add SUCH a great story line.
The fact they were they were chirping prior already adds story. They already got what they wanted.
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On November 01 2013 21:41 Stinkie wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 18:34 Mafab wrote:
I find this to be really bad decisioning by ESL. They just gave someone close to the cutoff a random seed in IEM, which made this possible even without having a good run (Revival dropped out in the first round), whereas Nani got second in a tournament that he fought through the qualifier. ESL should really not give people close to cutoff a seed, as this is just not how a tie should happen. Very good point.
Naniwa got seed for WCS S1 EU, Revival played in WCS Challenger NA S1. Nani got more points for just have a seed than revival playing challenger.
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Oh this is going to be good.
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nani nani nani, damn you revival
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On November 01 2013 18:34 Mafab wrote:
I find this to be really bad decisioning by ESL. They just gave someone close to the cutoff a random seed in IEM, which made this possible even without having a good run (Revival dropped out in the first round), whereas Nani got second in a tournament that he fought through the qualifier. ESL should really not give people close to cutoff a seed, as this is just not how a tie should happen.
The seed should have been given to Revival in the first round. The first WCS seeds were supposed to be on WCS points, but somehow Flash, who has more than 1 k points less than Revival got invited instead of him. Giving Revival ForGG´s spot, who should have gone to Nerchio does fix this problem, it just translates it. But what should have happened would have been a Line-up with Revival and Nerchio, but without Flash, so we can not really blame it on ESL.
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On November 01 2013 21:15 Greendotz wrote:
Seriously people, if you're all fired up about pros not been paid money they're owed why don't you direct your attention to the organisers of IPL5 who apparently owe in excess of $50,000 and stop berating a player who may or may not have flaked out on an open bet he may or may not have been serious about.
If you mean the money IPL owes to Leenock, IIRC there was a thread about this a few weeks ago and someone said Choya confirmed that Leenock was finally paid.
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On November 01 2013 21:29 Pirfiktshon wrote:
Man I really wanted Naniwa to play in blizzcon. Looks like its going to be an all Korean Blizzcon this year lol. Not to take anything away from the players but It would have been nice to see someone that is not korean be up there in the top 16 for the year.
Quoting all these comments for win Naniwa beats Revival
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I think naniwa has a really good chance since if he advances he'll be playing Soulkey so he's going to be doing a lot of PvZ practice. This is a great build up for next week I can't wait :D
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whats all the fuss about foreigners in the finals... i actually dont give a rat ass about the nationality of the players,i just want to see the best game possible with the best players.When i see people say things like **if naniwa dosent win i dont have any otehr reason to watch** are you a starcraft fan or a homer ? ... i mean i understand rooting for your own coutnry player, but now its almost racism toward korean .Its anythign but korean .They happen to be the best at sc deal with ti and enjoy the show .
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Naniwa 3-2, cheese game 5 for easy gg
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I can already see how everybody is super excited and full of hope when Naniwa barely beats Revival, 30 minuets later he gets roflstomped by Soulkey...
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On November 02 2013 00:20 Diminisherqc wrote:
whats all the fuss about foreigners in the finals... i actually dont give a rat ass about the nationality of the players,i just want to see the best game possible with the best players.When i see people say things like **if naniwa dosent win i dont have any otehr reason to watch** are you a starcraft fan or a homer ? ... i mean i understand rooting for your own coutnry player, but now its almost racism toward korean .Its anythign but korean .They happen to be the best at sc deal with ti and enjoy the show .
I am not a starcraft fan, I am an esport fan
I don't like football, I think the game is stupid, but I love watching my hometeam.
Same with starcraft, I think it's quite a stupid game with a lot of stupidites.
But I love watching a player I love competing.
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On November 01 2013 23:47 Yakikorosu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 21:15 Greendotz wrote:
Seriously people, if you're all fired up about pros not been paid money they're owed why don't you direct your attention to the organisers of IPL5 who apparently owe in excess of $50,000 and stop berating a player who may or may not have flaked out on an open bet he may or may not have been serious about. If you mean the money IPL owes to Leenock, IIRC there was a thread about this a few weeks ago and someone said Choya confirmed that Leenock was finally paid.
From 2 weeks ago
Not sure if any progress has come since then. If anyone could link me that topic (with Choya confirming the paid winnings) I'd actually like to know because been conned out of 40K must be pretty soul destroying.
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On November 02 2013 00:43 Greendotz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 23:47 Yakikorosu wrote:On November 01 2013 21:15 Greendotz wrote:
Seriously people, if you're all fired up about pros not been paid money they're owed why don't you direct your attention to the organisers of IPL5 who apparently owe in excess of $50,000 and stop berating a player who may or may not have flaked out on an open bet he may or may not have been serious about. If you mean the money IPL owes to Leenock, IIRC there was a thread about this a few weeks ago and someone said Choya confirmed that Leenock was finally paid. From 2 weeks agoNot sure if any progress has come since then. If anyone could link me that topic (with Choya confirming the paid winnings) I'd actually like to know because been conned out of 40K must be pretty soul destroying.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=425082¤tpage=18
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Maybe its just me but I'm pretty sure Revival can get 50 more points for finishing top 8 in challenger league and qualifying into premier which would put him 50 points ahead of naniwa at that point or does blizzard not care and will just do tiebreaker regardless if this is the case I think that is unfair to Revival but not sure how it will work so ill reserve any further opinion for now can anyone confirm or deny my thoughts?
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On November 02 2013 01:28 InExcelsis wrote:
Maybe its just me but I'm pretty sure Revival can get 50 more points for finishing top 8 in challenger league and qualifying into premier which would put him 50 points ahead of naniwa at that point or does blizzard not care and will just do tiebreaker regardless if this is the case I think that is unfair to Revival but not sure how it will work so ill reserve any further opinion for now can anyone confirm or deny my thoughts?
Revival can't get any more points. The only way to finish top 8 in challenger league is to win the bracket stage, which he did not.
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On November 01 2013 21:03 Big-t wrote:
Am I the only one who has no idea when blizzcon is going to happen? We are talking about it more frequently for a couple of weeks now and in the "upcoming events list" is nothing. I have never seen any official announcement of any date and there is no timer in the right top corner. If this continues I´m gonna miss this so hard, I actually somehow though it´s this we...
Next weekend.
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On November 02 2013 01:37 Yakikorosu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2013 01:28 InExcelsis wrote:
Maybe its just me but I'm pretty sure Revival can get 50 more points for finishing top 8 in challenger league and qualifying into premier which would put him 50 points ahead of naniwa at that point or does blizzard not care and will just do tiebreaker regardless if this is the case I think that is unfair to Revival but not sure how it will work so ill reserve any further opinion for now can anyone confirm or deny my thoughts? Revival can't get any more points. The only way to finish top 8 in challenger league is to win the bracket stage, which he did not.
Thanks for reminding me I completely forgot they don't do RO16 in challenger league makes complete sense now.
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Free trip to Blizzcon seems like a good deal, win or lose. Also more exposure for yourself/sponsors.
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On November 01 2013 21:03 Big-t wrote:
Am I the only one who has no idea when blizzcon is going to happen? We are talking about it more frequently for a couple of weeks now and in the "upcoming events list" is nothing. I have never seen any official announcement of any date and there is no timer in the right top corner. If this continues I´m gonna miss this so hard, I actually somehow though it´s this we...
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=434004
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Good thing Taeja vs Revival wasn't the first match of the group. Taeja would have been able to beat Revival, throw the winner's match, and beat Revival again in the final match for an easy $500 or $1000. Jesus that awful group stage format needs to go.
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Uh just means more great games for me I am happy either way
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Why I'm sick and staying home solo next weekend !!
1 - OMG that line-up! brackets on liquipedia
Every one of those 8 starting games is equal to a normal final, anywhere!
2 - the Preparations! : giving us new tacs/meta, all around!
It will be awesome to watch what these 17 pros, preparing hard 1-2 weeks for the opponent, comes up with!
2 - Never been this tricky to predict possible outcomes, intriguing ;-)
and so many to root for :-) ie MC with his superb! play until Dear, took out SoulKey 2-0. Now vs Maru.
3 - It's right now very even between the races!
Battles will be at it's finest, showing the true potential of Hots. A race war, in it's best sense:-)
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Why keep a format of regions as a structure when it regardless ends up with all koreans?
Will Blizz reveal the new format at Blizzcon maybe?
Maybe reserving spots for 2 players from each region in the World Championship (Blizzcon/Grand Finals).
(as a minimum, together with the other changes like playing your matches within the region etc)
NaniWa!
The worlds best foreigner, probably even all-time best. No 16 in the World!!
Aka DragonSlayer, the only one that knocks down the best Koreans consistently!
We must have Nani in the final of the finals! Someone able of messing up the Korean dominance!
The final is just a few matches away, get SoulKey and the road to Dear in the finals is very possible!
Sry Revival, nothing personal.
Heja Johan, ha det kul!
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Lol all this heat against Revival when he clearly performed better in WCS America than Nani did in WCS Europe. Nani practically got all his points in non-WCS events and even then he didn't win one like Revival did.
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On November 02 2013 04:09 Cheren wrote:
Good thing Taeja vs Revival wasn't the first match of the group. Taeja would have been able to beat Revival, throw the winner's match, and beat Revival again in the final match for an easy $500 or $1000. Jesus that awful group stage format needs to go.
It's terrible, but gsl did it, so the world caters.
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Now Nani can win his 500 haha.
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On November 02 2013 04:09 Cheren wrote:
Good thing Taeja vs Revival wasn't the first match of the group. Taeja would have been able to beat Revival, throw the winner's match, and beat Revival again in the final match for an easy $500 or $1000. Jesus that awful group stage format needs to go.
what format would you use?
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On November 02 2013 04:09 Cheren wrote:
Good thing Taeja vs Revival wasn't the first match of the group. Taeja would have been able to beat Revival, throw the winner's match, and beat Revival again in the final match for an easy $500 or $1000. Jesus that awful group stage format needs to go.
What are you talking about? Why would TaeJa throw the winner's match? Are you talking about NaNiwa's dumb "bounty"? If so, then all you're illustrating is how the "bounty" creates unfair incentives, it has nothing to do with the perfectly fine group system.
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On November 02 2013 07:14 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2013 04:09 Cheren wrote:
Good thing Taeja vs Revival wasn't the first match of the group. Taeja would have been able to beat Revival, throw the winner's match, and beat Revival again in the final match for an easy $500 or $1000. Jesus that awful group stage format needs to go. what format would you use?
guess there are pros and cons to every system/format
would love if they used all-meets-all in groups as well
but that would also open up to players favoring his teammates etc...
some get a too easy ride and some to rough tbh but maybe if the groups were a little larger?
maybe 10, why not use that as a multiple instead...
ro40 ro20 ro10 (extended current format)
then maybe making last 10 go one vs one, 5 winners, plus 3 from loser side = 8 etc
but Blizz, you must Make the ro16 be bo5 !!!
(ofc regardless the above prefer. at the same location/boots/event etc.)
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Buying the virtual ticket if not... might do that anyways actually...
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On November 01 2013 17:04 -RusH wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 15:47 vthree wrote:On November 01 2013 15:45 -RusH wrote:
Revival most likely 3-0. Then he goes on to get 3-0'd by Innovation. The fact Naniwa beat him at one of the previous Season Finals makes me want to watch the rematch instead though. The winner of Revival/Naniwa plays Soulkey... Oh yeah. Had no idea Innovation was surpassed. Well either way it's not like facing Soulkey instead is a much better option, the dude's a beast.
Soulkey did lose 3-0 to MC and 4-0 to Dear a so I think being a Protoss gives Naniwa a slight edge.
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On November 02 2013 10:02 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 17:04 -RusH wrote:On November 01 2013 15:47 vthree wrote:On November 01 2013 15:45 -RusH wrote:
Revival most likely 3-0. Then he goes on to get 3-0'd by Innovation. The fact Naniwa beat him at one of the previous Season Finals makes me want to watch the rematch instead though. The winner of Revival/Naniwa plays Soulkey... Oh yeah. Had no idea Innovation was surpassed. Well either way it's not like facing Soulkey instead is a much better option, the dude's a beast. Soulkey did lose 3-0 to MC and 4-0 to Dear a so I think being a Protoss gives Naniwa a slight edge.
Dear currently is a goddam monster and MC is MC. Soulkey wiped the flour with the other protoss he came across.
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On November 02 2013 11:00 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2013 10:02 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:On November 01 2013 17:04 -RusH wrote:On November 01 2013 15:47 vthree wrote:On November 01 2013 15:45 -RusH wrote:
Revival most likely 3-0. Then he goes on to get 3-0'd by Innovation. The fact Naniwa beat him at one of the previous Season Finals makes me want to watch the rematch instead though. The winner of Revival/Naniwa plays Soulkey... Oh yeah. Had no idea Innovation was surpassed. Well either way it's not like facing Soulkey instead is a much better option, the dude's a beast. Soulkey did lose 3-0 to MC and 4-0 to Dear a so I think being a Protoss gives Naniwa a slight edge. Dear currently is a goddam monster and MC is MC. Soulkey wiped the flour with the other protoss he came across.
Not only did he wiped the floor with the other Protosses, but one of those Protosses was PvZ super-sniper Trap.
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GONNA BE INSANE!! GO NANI <3 <3
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Please lord flash, let Naniwa through so we can break viewer count records!
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On November 02 2013 07:42 j4vz wrote:
Will it be casted?
We aren't really sure how they are going to end up showing it.
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On November 02 2013 07:14 NovemberstOrm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2013 04:09 Cheren wrote:
Good thing Taeja vs Revival wasn't the first match of the group. Taeja would have been able to beat Revival, throw the winner's match, and beat Revival again in the final match for an easy $500 or $1000. Jesus that awful group stage format needs to go. what format would you use?
What real sports use, some combination of round robin and single elimination.
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Cheering for Nani. He'll spice up the tournament if he makes it.
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On November 02 2013 06:52 Eventine wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2013 04:09 Cheren wrote:
Good thing Taeja vs Revival wasn't the first match of the group. Taeja would have been able to beat Revival, throw the winner's match, and beat Revival again in the final match for an easy $500 or $1000. Jesus that awful group stage format needs to go. It's terrible, but gsl did it, so the world caters.
The presence of a bounty to defeat a particular player in the group is an anomaly. This format works because every game matter. A round robin can lead to tie and meaningless matches.
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On November 02 2013 00:30 Facultyadjutant wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2013 00:20 Diminisherqc wrote:
whats all the fuss about foreigners in the finals... i actually dont give a rat ass about the nationality of the players,i just want to see the best game possible with the best players.When i see people say things like **if naniwa dosent win i dont have any otehr reason to watch** are you a starcraft fan or a homer ? ... i mean i understand rooting for your own coutnry player, but now its almost racism toward korean .Its anythign but korean .They happen to be the best at sc deal with ti and enjoy the show . I am not a starcraft fan, I am an esport fan I don't like football, I think the game is stupid, but I love watching my hometeam. Same with starcraft, I think it's quite a stupid game with a lot of stupidites. But I love watching a player I love competing.
soo ,as i said .. your a homer ?
usually the worst kind of fans in the buisness,dont know much about the sport, and come up with stupid comments about it and are blinded by theyre love to theyre home team.i said usually.
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On November 02 2013 17:44 Diminisherqc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2013 00:30 Facultyadjutant wrote:On November 02 2013 00:20 Diminisherqc wrote:
whats all the fuss about foreigners in the finals... i actually dont give a rat ass about the nationality of the players,i just want to see the best game possible with the best players.When i see people say things like **if naniwa dosent win i dont have any otehr reason to watch** are you a starcraft fan or a homer ? ... i mean i understand rooting for your own coutnry player, but now its almost racism toward korean .Its anythign but korean .They happen to be the best at sc deal with ti and enjoy the show . I am not a starcraft fan, I am an esport fan I don't like football, I think the game is stupid, but I love watching my hometeam. Same with starcraft, I think it's quite a stupid game with a lot of stupidites. But I love watching a player I love competing. soo ,as i said .. your a homer ? usually the worst kind of fans in the buisness,dont know much about the sport, and come up with stupid comments about it and are blinded by theyre love to theyre home team.i said usually.
Haha cuz its really the other kind of "fans" that bring the world forward: the self-righteous bureaucrats with liberal "sound" views and spotless characters that just wants good games and constantly judge players and fans by their high moral standards.
Well thank heavens for the fans with boiling blood although it results in primitive reactions now and then. The homer-haters tend to make every event a political congress or something anyway. Such a lame and unrealistic perspecitve in my view.
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Good luck Revival. Looking forward to your ZvZ vs SK
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naniwa will be down 0-2 then proxygates 3 games in a row.
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On November 02 2013 18:50 Bertholdz wrote:
Haha cuz its really the other kind of "fans" that bring the world forward: the self-righteous bureaucrats with liberal "sound" views and spotless characters that just wants good games and constantly judge players and fans by their high moral standards.
Well thank heavens for the fans with boiling blood although it results in primitive reactions now and then. The homer-haters tend to make every event a political congress or something anyway. Such a lame and unrealistic perspecitve in my view.
Word up
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Thanks ESL !
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On November 01 2013 15:17 Yakikorosu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 15:15 farvacola wrote:On November 01 2013 15:07 UberNuB wrote:
Seems pretty unfair to Soulkey for getting first in points just to have to prepare for both opponents, but I guess if you want to win Blizzcon you have to prepare for quite a few (stronger) opponents anyways. I can guarantee that Soulkey does not really care who comes out of this lol. I think Soulkey's thought process must be something like "I passed INnoVation in points and my 'reward' is I have to play either NaNiwa or a mirror match instead of a free win vs duckdeok?!"
Revival and naniwa are still free wins for Soulkey.
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On November 01 2013 15:19 XtreMe_au wrote:
Inno is laughing his way to a RO8 match against Maru ._.
I seem to remember a match between those two where Inno lost 0-4 against the youngun'. It wasn't too long ago actually.
Also, go Naniwa!
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On November 03 2013 04:38 Kergy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2013 15:17 Yakikorosu wrote:On November 01 2013 15:15 farvacola wrote:On November 01 2013 15:07 UberNuB wrote:
Seems pretty unfair to Soulkey for getting first in points just to have to prepare for both opponents, but I guess if you want to win Blizzcon you have to prepare for quite a few (stronger) opponents anyways. I can guarantee that Soulkey does not really care who comes out of this lol. I think Soulkey's thought process must be something like "I passed INnoVation in points and my 'reward' is I have to play either NaNiwa or a mirror match instead of a free win vs duckdeok?!" Revival and naniwa are still free wins for Soulkey.
Soulkey's ZvZ is trash lately. Soulkey is a free win for Revival.
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On November 03 2013 08:24 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2013 04:38 Kergy wrote:On November 01 2013 15:17 Yakikorosu wrote:On November 01 2013 15:15 farvacola wrote:On November 01 2013 15:07 UberNuB wrote:
Seems pretty unfair to Soulkey for getting first in points just to have to prepare for both opponents, but I guess if you want to win Blizzcon you have to prepare for quite a few (stronger) opponents anyways. I can guarantee that Soulkey does not really care who comes out of this lol. I think Soulkey's thought process must be something like "I passed INnoVation in points and my 'reward' is I have to play either NaNiwa or a mirror match instead of a free win vs duckdeok?!" Revival and naniwa are still free wins for Soulkey. Soulkey's ZvZ is trash lately. Soulkey is a free win for Revival.
People toss around "free win" with too generously these days - he's by no means bad at ZvZ >.>
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On November 03 2013 08:25 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2013 08:24 Elite_ wrote:On November 03 2013 04:38 Kergy wrote:On November 01 2013 15:17 Yakikorosu wrote:On November 01 2013 15:15 farvacola wrote:On November 01 2013 15:07 UberNuB wrote:
Seems pretty unfair to Soulkey for getting first in points just to have to prepare for both opponents, but I guess if you want to win Blizzcon you have to prepare for quite a few (stronger) opponents anyways. I can guarantee that Soulkey does not really care who comes out of this lol. I think Soulkey's thought process must be something like "I passed INnoVation in points and my 'reward' is I have to play either NaNiwa or a mirror match instead of a free win vs duckdeok?!" Revival and naniwa are still free wins for Soulkey. Soulkey's ZvZ is trash lately. Soulkey is a free win for Revival. People toss around "free win" with too generously these days - he's by no means bad at ZvZ >.>
But he's only won against Sleep and DRG in the past 3 months in ZvZ... and this was a Code S Ro16 DRG...
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On November 03 2013 08:26 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2013 08:25 Zealously wrote:On November 03 2013 08:24 Elite_ wrote:On November 03 2013 04:38 Kergy wrote:On November 01 2013 15:17 Yakikorosu wrote:On November 01 2013 15:15 farvacola wrote:On November 01 2013 15:07 UberNuB wrote:
Seems pretty unfair to Soulkey for getting first in points just to have to prepare for both opponents, but I guess if you want to win Blizzcon you have to prepare for quite a few (stronger) opponents anyways. I can guarantee that Soulkey does not really care who comes out of this lol. I think Soulkey's thought process must be something like "I passed INnoVation in points and my 'reward' is I have to play either NaNiwa or a mirror match instead of a free win vs duckdeok?!" Revival and naniwa are still free wins for Soulkey. Soulkey's ZvZ is trash lately. Soulkey is a free win for Revival. People toss around "free win" with too generously these days - he's by no means bad at ZvZ >.> But he's only won against Sleep and DRG in the past 3 months in ZvZ... and this was a Code S Ro16 DRG...
Sleep's ZvZ is pretty good too
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On November 03 2013 08:26 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2013 08:25 Zealously wrote:On November 03 2013 08:24 Elite_ wrote:On November 03 2013 04:38 Kergy wrote:On November 01 2013 15:17 Yakikorosu wrote:On November 01 2013 15:15 farvacola wrote:On November 01 2013 15:07 UberNuB wrote:
Seems pretty unfair to Soulkey for getting first in points just to have to prepare for both opponents, but I guess if you want to win Blizzcon you have to prepare for quite a few (stronger) opponents anyways. I can guarantee that Soulkey does not really care who comes out of this lol. I think Soulkey's thought process must be something like "I passed INnoVation in points and my 'reward' is I have to play either NaNiwa or a mirror match instead of a free win vs duckdeok?!" Revival and naniwa are still free wins for Soulkey. Soulkey's ZvZ is trash lately. Soulkey is a free win for Revival. People toss around "free win" with too generously these days - he's by no means bad at ZvZ >.> But he's only won against Sleep and DRG in the past 3 months in ZvZ... and this was a Code S Ro16 DRG...
http://aligulac.com/players/45/results/?after=&before=&race=z&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=Filter
I just fail to see how anything implies that Soulkey is now a free win in ZvZ tt
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On November 03 2013 08:24 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2013 04:38 Kergy wrote:On November 01 2013 15:17 Yakikorosu wrote:On November 01 2013 15:15 farvacola wrote:On November 01 2013 15:07 UberNuB wrote:
Seems pretty unfair to Soulkey for getting first in points just to have to prepare for both opponents, but I guess if you want to win Blizzcon you have to prepare for quite a few (stronger) opponents anyways. I can guarantee that Soulkey does not really care who comes out of this lol. I think Soulkey's thought process must be something like "I passed INnoVation in points and my 'reward' is I have to play either NaNiwa or a mirror match instead of a free win vs duckdeok?!" Revival and naniwa are still free wins for Soulkey. Soulkey's ZvZ is trash lately. Soulkey is a free win for Revival.
Saying he's a free win for Revival is a little bit of an exaggeration of his ZvZ struggles.
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On November 03 2013 08:35 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2013 08:26 Elite_ wrote:On November 03 2013 08:25 Zealously wrote:On November 03 2013 08:24 Elite_ wrote:On November 03 2013 04:38 Kergy wrote:On November 01 2013 15:17 Yakikorosu wrote:On November 01 2013 15:15 farvacola wrote:On November 01 2013 15:07 UberNuB wrote:
Seems pretty unfair to Soulkey for getting first in points just to have to prepare for both opponents, but I guess if you want to win Blizzcon you have to prepare for quite a few (stronger) opponents anyways. I can guarantee that Soulkey does not really care who comes out of this lol. I think Soulkey's thought process must be something like "I passed INnoVation in points and my 'reward' is I have to play either NaNiwa or a mirror match instead of a free win vs duckdeok?!" Revival and naniwa are still free wins for Soulkey. Soulkey's ZvZ is trash lately. Soulkey is a free win for Revival. People toss around "free win" with too generously these days - he's by no means bad at ZvZ >.> But he's only won against Sleep and DRG in the past 3 months in ZvZ... and this was a Code S Ro16 DRG... http://aligulac.com/players/45/results/?after=&before=&race=z&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=FilterI just fail to see how anything implies that Soulkey is now a free win in ZvZ tt
Comparing it to Revival's incredible performance in the last 3 months (link) Soulkey should probably just forfeit if Revival happens to beat Nani to save himself the embarrassment.
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On November 03 2013 08:45 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2013 08:35 Zealously wrote:On November 03 2013 08:26 Elite_ wrote:On November 03 2013 08:25 Zealously wrote:On November 03 2013 08:24 Elite_ wrote:On November 03 2013 04:38 Kergy wrote:On November 01 2013 15:17 Yakikorosu wrote:On November 01 2013 15:15 farvacola wrote:On November 01 2013 15:07 UberNuB wrote:
Seems pretty unfair to Soulkey for getting first in points just to have to prepare for both opponents, but I guess if you want to win Blizzcon you have to prepare for quite a few (stronger) opponents anyways. I can guarantee that Soulkey does not really care who comes out of this lol. I think Soulkey's thought process must be something like "I passed INnoVation in points and my 'reward' is I have to play either NaNiwa or a mirror match instead of a free win vs duckdeok?!" Revival and naniwa are still free wins for Soulkey. Soulkey's ZvZ is trash lately. Soulkey is a free win for Revival. People toss around "free win" with too generously these days - he's by no means bad at ZvZ >.> But he's only won against Sleep and DRG in the past 3 months in ZvZ... and this was a Code S Ro16 DRG... http://aligulac.com/players/45/results/?after=&before=&race=z&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=all&op=FilterI just fail to see how anything implies that Soulkey is now a free win in ZvZ tt I fail to see how games from July and earlier imply to his current skill level in the match-up. http://aligulac.com/players/45/results/?after=2013-08-01&before=2013-11-02&race=z&country=all&bestof=all&offline=both&game=HotS&op=Filter
He lost one online match against Shine, and lost against Sleep 2-1 who's a pretty capable ZvZer and lost to soO so I don't think he's a "free win" for revival by any means zzzz
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We need a foreigner, but we also need more zergies to ensure minimal balance whine... Win/win either way I think.
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I hope they release a scheduled time for this soon. I'm sure a lot of ppl will want to tune into this
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On November 03 2013 11:48 TAMinator wrote:
I hope they release a scheduled time for this soon. I'm sure a lot of ppl will want to tune into this
Yeah, and they better make use of all this hype and schedule a proper spot well ahead of time, and assign the right casters too.
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Does anyone know when is this tiebreaker matchup played ??,
Is it going to be streamed ? (like probably official Blizzard site's gonna have it, but if I'm wrong - pls someone post a link)
When does Blizzcon start.. ?
Had an information that it starts tomorrow, but just wanna double-check, that's all..
EDIT: rofl, it's already been asked..
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after the bounty failed, do you guys think Naniwa will go ''Tonya Harding'' on Revival??
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This is going to be interesting
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I'm rooting for Naniwa because 1. He is actually very good 2. We need a non-Korean in the tourney too
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It was really cheap how Naniwa offered a bounty. Pathetic actually. Glad Revival won. Now let's hope the better player wins in the best of 5. If, next year, regions are going to be locked and we won't have as many Koreans, Blizzcon/Grand Finals will never be this awesome again. That's a sad thought, but right now I'm too hyped for Blizzcon to be sad about anything.
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will be extremly interesting this... I definitely hope for Nani to win and I do think he's the better player when playing his best. He has a huge tendancy to tilt though if it doesnt go his way early... this might be in the past though looking at how he got back vs Hyun.
And come on with the whine about the bounty. I doubt as many would find it that big of a deal if say Jaedong did the same thing. Theres alot of hate coming Naniwas way, definitely not all without reason but I really think he's gotten alot more humble in interviews.. he just rages alot when looses. Compared to Idra I think he's way way way better... that guy was as BM always and I don't think nani is atleast anymore.
But tbh, I would have rooted for any nonkorean at this stage.. say what you will about havint the best players there etc, having a foreigner there definitely spices things up and looking at historical viewercounts it's obviously good for e-sports =)
If not nani then GO MARU... I think that guy has the highest toplevel in the world..when he plays his best I don't think anyone can beat him...
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On November 03 2013 08:44 Darkhoarse wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2013 08:24 Elite_ wrote:On November 03 2013 04:38 Kergy wrote:On November 01 2013 15:17 Yakikorosu wrote:On November 01 2013 15:15 farvacola wrote:On November 01 2013 15:07 UberNuB wrote:
Seems pretty unfair to Soulkey for getting first in points just to have to prepare for both opponents, but I guess if you want to win Blizzcon you have to prepare for quite a few (stronger) opponents anyways. I can guarantee that Soulkey does not really care who comes out of this lol. I think Soulkey's thought process must be something like "I passed INnoVation in points and my 'reward' is I have to play either NaNiwa or a mirror match instead of a free win vs duckdeok?!" Revival and naniwa are still free wins for Soulkey. Soulkey's ZvZ is trash lately. Soulkey is a free win for Revival. Saying he's a free win for Revival is a little bit of an exaggeration of his ZvZ struggles.
And saying Nani or Revival is a freewin for Soulkey is also a huge exaggeration. I don't think there is such a thing as a free win among these 17players. Definitely some are favoured against others but all can bet all for sure.
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EPT
