EPTOn September 02 2013 07:11 ImperialFist wrote:
I've never understood it, can someone explain to me why ForGG is not on twitch?
I've never understood it, can someone explain to me why ForGG is not on twitch?
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On September 02 2013 07:19 Conti wrote: That's because new heroes are introduced all the time, completely changing the meta-game every month or so. It's as Blizzard would add a new unit every season. Obviously that's going to change things up a lot, but it also means that the true potential of the game will never be reached. Before anyone can figure it out, there will be a new shift in the metagame already. Both ways have advantages and disadvantages. Ah comon big changes in the meta?? If u wanna say its a change in the meta if assasin A or B is played, then yes maybe its a change in the meta. outside from that every lol game (dont know much about dota) has a few potential scenarios (just like sc2) which are the same (with a slight change in the champions used) over and over again. ps: i dont think a stable scheme of the game being played is the reason for the numbers at all, its the same in real sports and every other esport there is. | ||
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
On September 02 2013 07:17 SupLilSon wrote: Yes, I read the OP in it's entirety and the total SC2 viewers or w/e are still going down slightly, you can call it stabilized if you want. But the pre HotS numbers are incomplete and therefore nothing can really be concluded from that data anyways. If his numbers are mostly accurate, I'd say interest in SC2 is still dropping but people can still be bothered to tune into a big WCS event here and there.... that's not too positive. I said, "Did you even read the post? Less people are watching player streams because people are watching tournaments instead." You said, "That's not what the OP said at all.... " The OP said, "Interest in player streams seems to be getting lower, but WCS and other tournaments seem to easily take up the slack to keep the people watching their favorite game." I feel like what I said was largely in line with what the OP said. | ||
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Tryxtira
Sweden572 Posts
Edit: And several people had peaks over 10k viewers. What I meant was that since I last saw this list, all the numbers are way lower. | ||
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SupLilSon
Malaysia4123 Posts
On September 02 2013 07:26 juicyjames wrote: I said, "Did you even read the post? Less people are watching player streams because people are watching tournaments instead." You said, "That's not what the OP said at all.... " The OP said, "Interest in player streams seems to be getting lower, but WCS and other tournaments seem to easily take up the slack to keep the people watching their favorite game." I feel like what I said was largely in line with what the OP said. Seem is a very important word there. The OP isn't stating anything as fact, just giving his view on what he believes is happening. The graph he provided is half incomplete and doesn't include numbers at all.. and then he offers a loose explanation. You're grasping at straws here trying to present these findings as facts when he said not to... | ||
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pigmanbear
Angola2010 Posts
On September 02 2013 07:11 ImperialFist wrote: I've never understood it, can someone explain to me why ForGG is not on twitch? I heard it was some deal Millenium had with them, so all of their players have to use it. If BabyKnight switches to DailyMotion, we'll know for sure. | ||
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Sent.
Poland9243 Posts
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RageCommodore
Germany912 Posts
On September 02 2013 02:53 Oldgrain wrote: Does anyone else think the diminishing viewer count could have something to do with twitch being not-so-good lately? I know I've watched way less in the last couple of months than before because most of the time the streams are barely watchable because of lag. Always nice to see these, thanks a lot Conti! Twitch over the last few months has degenerated into absolute rubbish, but hey, they are doing it to cater a "younger audience". Thats the main reason I'm barely watching anything these days since either the quality or the lag (or both) are really unbearable mostly. Since you can watch games in Dota I ca at least do that, but in SC2 it gets harder since I can only watch replays :[ All the Starcraft I watched in August was WCS (even if it was largely a slideshow for me). Seriously, Twitch needs to do something about their EU servers. PS: It would also be a really good step if they reverted the changes they made to quality settings last week. Do they really think that their audience is dumb enough to not know that higher numbers = better stream quality? Ever since they did that I get the same audio delays on PC that I already had on the Twitch app. PPS: Im not as enthusiastic in watching player streams anymore since DBS stopped playing :[ It's really hard to replace your favorite player, I guess. | ||
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Turboteckel
Netherlands37 Posts
Twitch hasn't been that bad for me. When the (for lack of a better word) Source/High/Mid/Low change came through I could pretty much watch everything solidly on Source. Before I couldn;t watch anything on 720p+/1080p+ because it was lagging so bad. Also I think a part of the reason SC2 viewership is going down over time is because there's always been (and there still is) so ridicilously much to watch. You could, if you wanted to, watch SC2 24/7. Perhaps people are just tired of it because of oversaturation. Dota 2 is a refreshing change for at least myself and some of the people I know. As far as players streaming goess. There's only a handful of streamers that interact with their audience which is a very important part of getting a good viewer base I feel. It's definately way more fun to tune in to those. | ||
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grs
Germany2339 Posts
On September 02 2013 08:09 Sent. wrote: I don't know why but recently it's hard to find a good stream to watch. For example now there are only 3 featured sc2 streams online (Xenocider, Stardust and Alastor). It's not like I (and probably many others) don't want to watch starcraft anymore, it's just there is nothing intresting to watch. Come and watch http://www.twitch.tv/YouBetterKnowMe with us  | ||
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
On September 02 2013 07:58 SupLilSon wrote: Seem is a very important word there. The OP isn't stating anything as fact, just giving his view on what he believes is happening. The graph he provided is half incomplete and doesn't include numbers at all.. and then he offers a loose explanation. You're grasping at straws here trying to present these findings as facts when he said not to... Again, you said, "That's not what the OP said at all.... " when it actually was pretty much the same explanation. If your beef is with the fact I didn't use the word "seems" like he did, I already went ahead and edited that in. | ||
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Zrana
United Kingdom698 Posts
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On September 02 2013 08:09 Sent. wrote: I don't know why but recently it's hard to find a good stream to watch. For example now there are only 3 featured sc2 streams online (Xenocider, Stardust and Alastor). It's not like I (and probably many others) don't want to watch starcraft anymore, it's just there is nothing intresting to watch. yo there are plenty of good non-featured streams, including my own that often times has more viewers than many featured streams, as well as very interactive chat, check out the un-featured section there's plenty of other streamers and one will surely catch your fancy. It depends a lot on the time of the day too though, or WCS. WCS is great and all...but it sorta monopolized a lot of viewership numbers imo that used to go to player streams. | ||
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ianjamesbarnett
United States13 Posts
On topic, I feel I have noticed the reduction in player streams as of late, but that may have to do with the time of day I am looking at streams more than anything else. | ||
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Boucot
France15997 Posts
On September 02 2013 08:00 pigmanbear wrote: I heard it was some deal Millenium had with them, so all of their players have to use it. If BabyKnight switches to DailyMotion, we'll know for sure. No, all the other Millenium players stream on Twitch. I don't understand either. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On September 02 2013 08:38 Boucot wrote: No, all the other Millenium players stream on Twitch. I don't understand either. However, as far as I know, the official Team Millenium stream is also on DailyMotion, and their players often play their games there. | ||
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Exarl25
1887 Posts
On September 02 2013 07:50 Tryxtira wrote: God. I remember when IdrA and Stephano was at like 10k average. I'm sad. Edit: And several people had peaks over 10k viewers. What I meant was that since I last saw this list, all the numbers are way lower. IdrA and Stephano were at superstar status when they were pulling those numbers. We don't really have someone like that anymore. Good player streams are hard to come by in general these days. The OP talks about interest on player streams being on the decline and I agree with that. Top tier, personable players who interact with their audience and commentate, they just don't exist. There are far less player streams in general these days, when I do feel like watching one I often go on to TL and see what there is and there is nothing. Right now for example as a Protoss player there is only Stardust, and I watch him a fair bit because that's usually all there is to offer but his stream is nothing special. | ||
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Cyrak
Canada536 Posts
The data in the op indicates that people are rapidly shifting away from watching players streaming but are continuing to watch produced content and tournaments at more or less the same rate. This mirrors my own personal shift in viewing preference as I transitioned from playing and watching SC2 to only watching it. Now that I no longer play the game I have no use for the insights and tactics that I could gain from watching professionals play in the first person. For the person who watches professional play but doesn't play themselves the motivation to watch well-casted / observed / produced games that have something at stake does not really diminish. This is obviously conjecture and anecdotal based on my experience but it would seem to explain why one set of viewers would disappear while the other stays relatively constant. | ||
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Stijn
Netherlands363 Posts
On September 02 2013 02:46 Conti wrote: Also also, go and check out Fuzic! Stijn created the awesome looking website with all kinds of stream viewership data. It's much better suited for immediate numbers and analyzing numbers from singular events. Also, it's way prettier than anything I could've ever design. (Note that his project is completely independent from mine, so if you have any questions about it, please ask him and not me.  )Thanks for the plug! ^^ I compared your list to the monthly ranking on my site and noticed that you're not listing Zerg (EmpireTVorg.ZERG) as a player. While he does cast a lot of events he also seems to stream normal play regularly. What's your guidelines for distinguishing between players and casters? | ||
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HeavenResign
United States702 Posts
On September 02 2013 02:53 Oldgrain wrote: Does anyone else think the diminishing viewer count could have something to do with twitch being not-so-good lately? I know I've watched way less in the last couple of months than before because most of the time the streams are barely watchable because of lag. Always nice to see these, thanks a lot Conti! I've felt this way too. It's been better as of the last week or so, ever since that transcode change (though it may not be related) for me personally but for most of the summer I had given up on watching twitch unless it worked flawlessly the first time. No idea if it's had an affect on overall viewers though | ||
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