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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
On September 02 2013 06:02 AiuRMC wrote: I don't understand, I saw more than 90k in the grand final , how can u say 70k??? This is measuring the average viewership for events, not the peak.
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On September 02 2013 05:31 HornyHerring wrote: Wow, hots viewership goes down even faster than wol. Wonder if its the game or just the amount of content. Read the op maybe?
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On September 02 2013 06:20 Strela wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 05:31 HornyHerring wrote: Wow, hots viewership goes down even faster than wol. Wonder if its the game or just the amount of content. Read the op maybe? Just because the op fabricated a new metric fox news style because the metric he has historically used (player stream numbers) shows pretty grim data doesn't mean that we should discount said data.
Saying "read the op" doesn't invalidate this guy's question.
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Damn... stream viewers for SC2 are declining... I think it's due to the lack of interesting streamers and/or just people leaving the scene
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Go team Grubby! Nice stats, thanks a lot.
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and still nos stephano too
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Interesting streamer are becoming rare these days. Grubby, Polt, Bomber and Demuslim streamed so few hours this month. =/
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SC2 is a terribly stagnant game, it's not surprising that interest in player streams has begun to sharply decline. No prominent player is going to stream unique and unseen pocket strats so viewers get to watch the same builds and army compositions over and over. SC2 streamers have even begun to stream other games to try and revitalize viewer numbers (IdrA/Catz/Drewbie/etc streaming DotA 2 lol?) Personally I stopped watching SC2 a long time ago because I couldnt stand to watch the same game just played on slightly different maps for months and months.
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On September 02 2013 05:34 juicyjames wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 05:31 HornyHerring wrote: Wow, hots viewership goes down even faster than wol. Wonder if its the game or just the amount of content. Did you even read the post? Less people are watching player streams because people are watching tournaments instead. That's not what the OP said at all.... And if anything, WCS viewership seems really lackluster. I've seen Dendi and Dread bring in more viewers than a concurrent WCS stream.
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If these numbers are indicative and ppl take them serious, well, I'm glad IdrA's numbers are decreasing.
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On September 02 2013 06:52 SupLilSon wrote: SC2 is a terribly stagnant game, it's not surprising that interest in player streams has begun to sharply decline. No prominent player is going to stream unique and unseen pocket strats so viewers get to watch the same builds and army compositions over and over. SC2 streamers have even begun to stream other games to try and revitalize viewer numbers (IdrA/Catz/Drewbie/etc streaming DotA 2 lol?) Personally I stopped watching SC2 a long time ago because I couldnt stand to watch the same game just played on slightly different maps for months and months. Mobas have literally one map.
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I only have positive feedback in the form of appreciation for you and the people who have helped you aggregate the data. I don't follow the scene as hard as I may have a year or two ago, but being able to see these kind of numbers still tickles my fancy in some way.
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
On September 02 2013 06:59 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 05:34 juicyjames wrote:On September 02 2013 05:31 HornyHerring wrote: Wow, hots viewership goes down even faster than wol. Wonder if its the game or just the amount of content. Did you even read the post? Less people are watching player streams because people are watching tournaments instead. That's not what the OP said at all.... And if anything, WCS viewership seems really lackluster. I've seen Dendi and Dread bring in more viewers than a concurrent WCS stream. What? The first four things the OP shows:
Table 1: Top 50 SC2 Streamers in August 2013 Table 2: Top 50 SC2 Streamers in August 2013, sorted by viewer average*hours played Graph 1: Total SC2 Player Stream Viewers by Month Graph 2: Total SC2 Stream Viewers by Month.
Graph 1 shows player stream viewers by month is indeed down. Graph 2 shows total SC2 stream viewers relatively stable. The OP even explicitly states:
The player stream viewership is about as high as it was during the drought at the end of last year where the HotS has been closed, but HotS itself has not yet been released, and everyone lost interest in WoL. And this time, there's no such obvious excuse for these numbers. Have people simply lost interest in watching players stream? Or is SC2 really dying?
Well, no. It's not. Player streams are clearly suffering lately, that much is undoubtedly true. But we cannot extrapolate that onto the whole of SC2.
I never included a similar graph to the one above including all SC2 stream numbers, simply because back when I started gathering data, all the big tournaments (MLG, IPL, GSL, etc.) did not provide live viewer numbers and, if at all, only published them later on (usually in a widely exaggerated manner, giving out unique instead of concurrent viewers and so on. Hello, MLG!). But that has changed. MLG and IPL are gone, and GSL streams on twitch now. Dreamhack has always offered live viewership numbers, because they're cool that way, so practically every premier tournament these days offers these numbers.
So I now can provide these numbers. Awesome. So I created the same graph as above, just with all SC2 related streams. But, again, note that all pre-HotS numbers are incomplete and are missing most big tournaments. So do not compare these with anything. I only leave them in to give you a rough idea, but what's important here are the months since HotS came out.
So no, we cannot say that HotS numbers are better than WoL numbers overall, even if it looks like that. It's likely that it is true nonetheless, but without all the data, there's no way of saying for sure.
But what we can say, however, is that SC2 is not dying. The numbers are not going up, clearly, but they are largely stable. Interest in player streams seems to be getting lower, but WCS and other tournaments seem to easily take up the slack to keep the people watching their favorite game.
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On September 02 2013 07:02 Zenbrez wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 06:52 SupLilSon wrote: SC2 is a terribly stagnant game, it's not surprising that interest in player streams has begun to sharply decline. No prominent player is going to stream unique and unseen pocket strats so viewers get to watch the same builds and army compositions over and over. SC2 streamers have even begun to stream other games to try and revitalize viewer numbers (IdrA/Catz/Drewbie/etc streaming DotA 2 lol?) Personally I stopped watching SC2 a long time ago because I couldnt stand to watch the same game just played on slightly different maps for months and months. Mobas have literally one map. And yet to me they still seem fresher and less one dimensional than SC2.
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On September 02 2013 03:06 pigmanbear wrote: ForGG would be near the top of the first list if he used Twitch TT
I've never understood it, can someone explain to me why ForGG is not on twitch?
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I think SC2 is going down because people are just...bored with it now : / The fights don't change ever really, it's textbook vs textbook outside of some random all-in or w/e but outside of that you just watch the same games over and over. Sure there are some cool micro battles here and there but they've all been done to death now.
At least that's why I don't really watch it anymore, i tune in to see a high profile match and swap off from it to do something else after maybe a match or two. Just...Not that exciting anymore. I've seen it all by now.
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I understand why they weren't included, but it would be interesting to see numbers of Day[9], Chanman and Kings of Tin.
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On September 02 2013 07:07 juicyjames wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 06:59 SupLilSon wrote:On September 02 2013 05:34 juicyjames wrote:On September 02 2013 05:31 HornyHerring wrote: Wow, hots viewership goes down even faster than wol. Wonder if its the game or just the amount of content. Did you even read the post? Less people are watching player streams because people are watching tournaments instead. That's not what the OP said at all.... And if anything, WCS viewership seems really lackluster. I've seen Dendi and Dread bring in more viewers than a concurrent WCS stream. What? The first four things the OP shows: Table 1: Top 50 SC2 Streamers in August 2013 Table 2: Top 50 SC2 Streamers in August 2013, sorted by viewer average*hours played Graph 1: Total SC2 Player Stream Viewers by Month Graph 2: Total SC2 Stream Viewers by Month. Graph 1 shows player stream viewers by month is indeed down. Graph 2 shows total SC2 stream viewers relatively stable. The OP even explicitly states: Show nested quote +The player stream viewership is about as high as it was during the drought at the end of last year where the HotS has been closed, but HotS itself has not yet been released, and everyone lost interest in WoL. And this time, there's no such obvious excuse for these numbers. Have people simply lost interest in watching players stream? Or is SC2 really dying?
Well, no. It's not. Player streams are clearly suffering lately, that much is undoubtedly true. But we cannot extrapolate that onto the whole of SC2.
I never included a similar graph to the one above including all SC2 stream numbers, simply because back when I started gathering data, all the big tournaments (MLG, IPL, GSL, etc.) did not provide live viewer numbers and, if at all, only published them later on (usually in a widely exaggerated manner, giving out unique instead of concurrent viewers and so on. Hello, MLG!). But that has changed. MLG and IPL are gone, and GSL streams on twitch now. Dreamhack has always offered live viewership numbers, because they're cool that way, so practically every premier tournament these days offers these numbers.
So I now can provide these numbers. Awesome. So I created the same graph as above, just with all SC2 related streams. But, again, note that all pre-HotS numbers are incomplete and are missing most big tournaments. So do not compare these with anything. I only leave them in to give you a rough idea, but what's important here are the months since HotS came out.
So no, we cannot say that HotS numbers are better than WoL numbers overall, even if it looks like that. It's likely that it is true nonetheless, but without all the data, there's no way of saying for sure.
But what we can say, however, is that SC2 is not dying. The numbers are not going up, clearly, but they are largely stable. Interest in player streams seems to be getting lower, but WCS and other tournaments seem to easily take up the slack to keep the people watching their favorite game.
Yes, I read the OP in it's entirety and the total SC2 viewers or w/e are still going down slightly, you can call it stabilized if you want. But the pre HotS numbers are incomplete and therefore nothing can really be concluded from that data anyways. If his numbers are mostly accurate, I'd say interest in SC2 is still dropping but people can still be bothered to tune into a big WCS event here and there.... that's not too positive.
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On September 02 2013 07:11 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 07:02 Zenbrez wrote:On September 02 2013 06:52 SupLilSon wrote: SC2 is a terribly stagnant game, it's not surprising that interest in player streams has begun to sharply decline. No prominent player is going to stream unique and unseen pocket strats so viewers get to watch the same builds and army compositions over and over. SC2 streamers have even begun to stream other games to try and revitalize viewer numbers (IdrA/Catz/Drewbie/etc streaming DotA 2 lol?) Personally I stopped watching SC2 a long time ago because I couldnt stand to watch the same game just played on slightly different maps for months and months. Mobas have literally one map. And yet to me they still seem fresher and less one dimensional than SC2. That's because new heroes are introduced all the time, completely changing the meta-game every month or so. It's as Blizzard would add a new unit every season. Obviously that's going to change things up a lot, but it also means that the true potential of the game will never be reached. Before anyone can figure it out, there will be a new shift in the metagame already. Both ways have advantages and disadvantages.
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On September 02 2013 07:11 ImperialFist wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 03:06 pigmanbear wrote: ForGG would be near the top of the first list if he used Twitch TT I've never understood it, can someone explain to me why ForGG is not on twitch?
Part of the reason he uses DailyMotion is because it's big in France, where he is currently residing, at the Millenium team house. I think DailyMotion also provides higher cpm for ads but i'm not 100% on this (so if anyone knows better feel free to correct me).
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