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On September 02 2013 02:53 Oldgrain wrote:
Does anyone else think the diminishing viewer count could have something to do with twitch being not-so-good lately? I know I've watched way less in the last couple of months than before because most of the time the streams are barely watchable because of lag.
Always nice to see these, thanks a lot Conti!
This has definitely been true for me =/
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On September 02 2013 02:54 Zenbrez wrote:
What does Painuser do for a living? 477 hours is just.. what the hell?
Clearly, he streams for a living. That's 16 hours a day 7 days a week.
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One of the important things is stability, for example Demuslim only got big after about a month of streaming constantly.
If TLO streamed regularly, he could hit 10k in like a week if he does it daily. Same with Grubby for two weeks. Jaedong could get 15k if he did it daily.
We don't have those regular pro-gamer streams, Avilo is proof in stability attracting viewers though. Have a constant time people will expect and they will join.
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On September 02 2013 09:44 fuzzylogic44 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 02:54 Zenbrez wrote:
What does Painuser do for a living? 477 hours is just.. what the hell? Clearly, he streams for a living. That's 16 hours a day 7 days a week.
But with his average viewer numbers + ad block usage etc I doubt he will be pulling in that much even with such absurd hours put in. Unless streaming is more lucrative these days than I realized.
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its quite sad how the sc2 community has to analyse stream view data to determine the popularity of the game... i mean if the game was any good we wouldnt even have to worry bout these things...
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On September 02 2013 09:51 reminisce12 wrote:
its quite sad how the sc2 community has to analyse stream view data to determine the popularity of the game... i mean if the game was any good we wouldnt even have to worry bout these things...
I don't think we do, this is a monthly report. I actually think the game is going to grow and in fact is growing.
Plus the game itself is ridiculously fun.
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On September 02 2013 09:51 reminisce12 wrote:
its quite sad how the sc2 community has to analyse stream view data to determine the popularity of the game... i mean if the game was any good we wouldnt even have to worry bout these things...
You are naive for thinking that the quality of the game has much to do with its popularity at this point. We could have viable mech, Lurkers and the Protoss race removed like people cry for and LoL would still be kicking our ass. It's good to look at the numbers because they tell the story of a scene that has plateaued and is holding steady rather than one which is in freefall decline and taking its last gasping breaths like the doomsayers would have you believe.
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On September 02 2013 10:00 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 09:51 reminisce12 wrote:
its quite sad how the sc2 community has to analyse stream view data to determine the popularity of the game... i mean if the game was any good we wouldnt even have to worry bout these things...
You are naive for thinking that the quality of the game has much to do with its popularity at this point. We could have viable mech, Lurkers and the Protoss race removed like people cry for and LoL would still be kicking our ass. It's good to look at the numbers because they tell the story of a scene that has plateaued and is holding steady rather than one which is in freefall decline and taking its last gasping breaths like the doomsayers would have you believe.
Honestly in two months the scene will be like super vibrant again, I'm already getting the WoL beta feel of crazy excitement watching these games recently.
I am so fucking excited for literally everything.
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On September 02 2013 10:04 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 10:00 Exarl25 wrote:On September 02 2013 09:51 reminisce12 wrote:
its quite sad how the sc2 community has to analyse stream view data to determine the popularity of the game... i mean if the game was any good we wouldnt even have to worry bout these things...
You are naive for thinking that the quality of the game has much to do with its popularity at this point. We could have viable mech, Lurkers and the Protoss race removed like people cry for and LoL would still be kicking our ass. It's good to look at the numbers because they tell the story of a scene that has plateaued and is holding steady rather than one which is in freefall decline and taking its last gasping breaths like the doomsayers would have you believe. Honestly in two months the scene will be like super vibrant again, I'm already getting the WoL beta feel of crazy excitement watching these games recently. I am so fucking excited for literally everything.
Also, it's summer in NA. Ratings suck for TV too.
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I think one of the big draws of watching player streams before was all the high drama .. oh shit, Destiny just queued and got IdrA ... cool, Minigun is playing Rainbow ... will SelecT hold off some crazy CombatEx cheese? etc. Nowadays if you watch a high-level stream, 90% of the games will be vs IllIlIlIlIIll or maybe IlIIIIlllIlIll, so a game that already felt a bit generic completely loses a big part of its personality. It still can be fun to watch very high-level players like HerO try new strategies (like Warp Prism speed first in PvP) and other little wrinkles in the metagame, but generally the product is bland because of IlIlIIIlllIlIl.
Watching guys stream on NA server used to be a lot of fun because you could feel a sort of community amongst GM and high-masters (before GM) and high-diamond (before Masters). The guys knew each other and tried to switch it up more.
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On September 02 2013 02:54 Zenbrez wrote:
What does Painuser do for a living? 477 hours is just.. what the hell?
The answer, is in your own post.
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lol @ tara babcock making top50 ahead of some BIG players.
Shows how "casual" content will always be more popular than learning cool builds off sick Koreans.
Although to be fair the cool builds are dwindling, all Korean streamers just have 1-2 builds a match-up.
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On September 02 2013 10:06 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 10:04 Pandain wrote:On September 02 2013 10:00 Exarl25 wrote:On September 02 2013 09:51 reminisce12 wrote:
its quite sad how the sc2 community has to analyse stream view data to determine the popularity of the game... i mean if the game was any good we wouldnt even have to worry bout these things...
You are naive for thinking that the quality of the game has much to do with its popularity at this point. We could have viable mech, Lurkers and the Protoss race removed like people cry for and LoL would still be kicking our ass. It's good to look at the numbers because they tell the story of a scene that has plateaued and is holding steady rather than one which is in freefall decline and taking its last gasping breaths like the doomsayers would have you believe. Honestly in two months the scene will be like super vibrant again, I'm already getting the WoL beta feel of crazy excitement watching these games recently. I am so fucking excited for literally everything. Also, it's summer in NA. Ratings suck for TV too.
Summer 2012, or Summer of TaeJa was crazy active.
Summers is usually a good time for us because many players are on vacation and play more.
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On September 02 2013 10:41 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
lol @ tara babcock making top50 ahead of some BIG players.
Shows how "casual" content will always be more popular than learning cool builds off sick Koreans.
Although to be fair the cool builds are dwindling, all Korean streamers just have 1-2 builds a match-up.
I think who she is has far more to do with it than "casual" content. 
Note that I haven't watched her channel, so she might actually be entertaining etc.
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On September 02 2013 11:46 Soan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 10:41 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
lol @ tara babcock making top50 ahead of some BIG players.
Shows how "casual" content will always be more popular than learning cool builds off sick Koreans.
Although to be fair the cool builds are dwindling, all Korean streamers just have 1-2 builds a match-up. I think who she is has far more to do with it than "casual" content. Note that I haven't watched her channel, so she might actually be entertaining etc.
Are you saying that broadcast viewers care more about the person doing thr broadcasting than what game is being played? Shocking!
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I for one stopped watching sc2 because it become very stale. And I attribute low viewer count to the game simply not being entertaining. Only thing worth to watch is korean and eu wcs where casters do a damn good job to make it more interesting.
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On September 02 2013 11:46 Soan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 10:41 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
lol @ tara babcock making top50 ahead of some BIG players.
Shows how "casual" content will always be more popular than learning cool builds off sick Koreans.
Although to be fair the cool builds are dwindling, all Korean streamers just have 1-2 builds a match-up. I think who she is has far more to do with it than "casual" content. Note that I haven't watched her channel, so she might actually be entertaining etc.
By casual I also meant "a stream with a cute gamer talking about casual game concepts".
And TBH having tuned in, compared to some of the other similar stuff out there she does a decent job. Just find it funny she made it ahead of solid GSL-level players.
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streaming 16 hours a day is not healthy at all omg
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On September 02 2013 12:12 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 11:46 Soan wrote:On September 02 2013 10:41 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
lol @ tara babcock making top50 ahead of some BIG players.
Shows how "casual" content will always be more popular than learning cool builds off sick Koreans.
Although to be fair the cool builds are dwindling, all Korean streamers just have 1-2 builds a match-up. I think who she is has far more to do with it than "casual" content. Note that I haven't watched her channel, so she might actually be entertaining etc. By casual I also meant "a stream with a cute gamer talking about casual game concepts". And TBH having tuned in, compared to some of the other similar stuff out there she does a decent job. Just find it funny she made it ahead of solid GSL-level players.
I also don't watch shows in languages I don't understand, even if the action is good or the girls are nice to look at.
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