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On September 02 2013 12:12 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 11:46 Soan wrote:On September 02 2013 10:41 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
lol @ tara babcock making top50 ahead of some BIG players.
Shows how "casual" content will always be more popular than learning cool builds off sick Koreans.
Although to be fair the cool builds are dwindling, all Korean streamers just have 1-2 builds a match-up. I think who she is has far more to do with it than "casual" content.  Note that I haven't watched her channel, so she might actually be entertaining etc. By casual I also meant "a stream with a cute gamer talking about casual game concepts". And TBH having tuned in, compared to some of the other similar stuff out there she does a decent job. Just find it funny she made it ahead of solid GSL-level players.
She's hardly the first to do so. Remember this guy called destiny?
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On September 02 2013 12:16 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 12:12 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On September 02 2013 11:46 Soan wrote:On September 02 2013 10:41 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
lol @ tara babcock making top50 ahead of some BIG players.
Shows how "casual" content will always be more popular than learning cool builds off sick Koreans.
Although to be fair the cool builds are dwindling, all Korean streamers just have 1-2 builds a match-up. I think who she is has far more to do with it than "casual" content. Note that I haven't watched her channel, so she might actually be entertaining etc. By casual I also meant "a stream with a cute gamer talking about casual game concepts". And TBH having tuned in, compared to some of the other similar stuff out there she does a decent job. Just find it funny she made it ahead of solid GSL-level players. She's hardly the first to do so. Remember this guy called destiny?
People forget that GSL players have never put up good numbers just by being in the GSL.
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how the fuck is painuser not supergood, when hes not sleeping hes streaming pretty much (sometimes both)
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Nony is definitely stepping it up with his stream. It has been great lately.
Also, it still makes me sad whenever I see the charts for May 2012 and after for viewer numbers (specifically how much they tank). Blizzard screwed up so badly. That could have all been avoided had they not implemented one kinda arbitrary patch that was not thought through at all.
I will admit I haven't watched or played nearly as much SC2 lately. I barely read TL anymore. I still watch all the Gom content (while I run on the treadmill. It makes time go by faster). For player streams, I just watch Nony consistently. Otherwise the only time I have streams on is in the background while I do other stuff. In that case I'll usually have Stardust, Incontrol, or a few others on. I definitely won't have as much to watch or play during school this year either so I don't expect to increase my viewing time at all.
Everything just feels kinda stagnant to be honest. The game almost feels like has already been figured out 6 months in, with the only times there ever seem to be any playstyle changes are when new patches come out. WCS hogs too much time and since there is such a gigantic volume of content associated with it, it is kinda hard to care when there is too much stuff to follow (Not to mention it scares everyone else away, streamwise, because they don't want to/are not allowed to compete with it). Back when GSL was the only really solid daily SC2 content, it was great. It was easy to follow (there was a small enough number of players that you could actually get to know them) and was not overwhelming. It was reasonable to watch all of the content because there was usually 2-3 hours of it at the most. Now with WCS, we are seeing 6-8 hours of content at a constant rate (essentially daily). How is a person reasonably expected to keep up with all that? To be honest I wish we could get rid of all this WCS stuff and just bring back old fashioned GSL. No awkward Gom/OGN garbage, no switching formats each season, just a 32 man SC2 tournament featuring the best of the best.
So what I am saying is, OGN needs to bring back BW Proleague. That stuff was awesome.
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On September 02 2013 12:27 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 12:16 Tachion wrote:On September 02 2013 12:12 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:On September 02 2013 11:46 Soan wrote:On September 02 2013 10:41 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote:
lol @ tara babcock making top50 ahead of some BIG players.
Shows how "casual" content will always be more popular than learning cool builds off sick Koreans.
Although to be fair the cool builds are dwindling, all Korean streamers just have 1-2 builds a match-up. I think who she is has far more to do with it than "casual" content. Note that I haven't watched her channel, so she might actually be entertaining etc. By casual I also meant "a stream with a cute gamer talking about casual game concepts". And TBH having tuned in, compared to some of the other similar stuff out there she does a decent job. Just find it funny she made it ahead of solid GSL-level players. She's hardly the first to do so. Remember this guy called destiny? People forget that GSL players have never put up good numbers just by being in the GSL.
Word. The reason GSL koreans get no viewers is because their streams are boring as hell. A few of them will have a keyboard cam with some added music, but that's it. At least by having a facecam it adds something interesting to the stream and you can see them react to stuff, etc.
It's why people like MaximusBlack are popular - they're pretty bad at the game but they know how to make an exciting stream that would entice people to watch them over the average korean.
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On September 02 2013 12:32 teddyoojo wrote:
how the fuck is painuser not supergood, when hes not sleeping hes streaming pretty much (sometimes both)
Because you don't become good by playing mindlessly for hours.
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Atleast for me i dont watch much anymore because most of the times twitch is crap and to be able to watch you have to go down to 480. Realy bad move by blizzard to have that "always on twitch" shit when they clearly dont have the power to make a good streaming service for eu 
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Nice work!
Also on my iPhone twitch doesn't seem to work some "flash" problem
but YouTube streams do so I was wondering if there are good sc2 streams/players that don't require flash
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Man, Grubby bringing in the viewers again.
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I always imagine secret beef between the top 10 streamers, an all out conquest of Twitch, a battle of streams, a war of viewers. I would love to see a dota 2 version of these numbers also, I think it would be cool.
Good job as always .
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On September 02 2013 02:54 Zenbrez wrote:
What does Painuser do for a living? 477 hours is just.. what the hell?
he streams for a living.
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Painuser is a boss. That is what we learned here.
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The days when Stephano had 15-20k viewers......
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On September 02 2013 03:18 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 03:10 MasterOfPuppets wrote:
Just a little question: why is Tasteless on the list, considering he doesn't play or cast SC2 on his stream? :/
Streamers can set the game they play in their streamer interface on teamliquid. Tasteless has the game set to SC2 (probably because that's the default, I think). I can't check every stream all the time to see if they really play what they supposedly play, and it happens all the time that streamers forget to change their game in the interface when they play another game. Also, it's Tasteless. Though if anyone could poke him to change the game to "Misc." (or was it "Other"?), that would certainly solve the issue as well.
Thank you for your post, btw I think player streams doing worse is simply because Idra Demuslim and Grubby are not streaming every day anymore. No other streamer can compete with them when it comes to entertainement, sex appeal and commentary.
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On September 02 2013 07:19 fenrysk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 07:11 ImperialFist wrote:On September 02 2013 03:06 pigmanbear wrote:
ForGG would be near the top of the first list if he used Twitch TT I've never understood it, can someone explain to me why ForGG is not on twitch? Part of the reason he uses DailyMotion is because it's big in France, where he is currently residing, at the Millenium team house. I think DailyMotion also provides higher cpm for ads but i'm not 100% on this (so if anyone knows better feel free to correct me).
He's also been leaving his stream online when he goes to sleep and it's spamming commercials lol. He did it a few times.
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On September 02 2013 07:50 Tryxtira wrote:
God. I remember when IdrA and Stephano was at like 10k average. I'm sad.
Edit: And several people had peaks over 10k viewers. What I meant was that since I last saw this list, all the numbers are way lower.
But there was no WCS, only MLG winter showdown matches at night. There was literally no consistent league because Code S in the morning which never interfered with player streams. I think WCS might be too much and the player streams needs growth or maybe not I don't know. Obviously I'm biased because it affects me even tho I went up 2 ranks in viewers * hours
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Serious question: Painuser has streamed some insane number the past few months, has his skill increased at all? Maybe someone who watches him regularly can chime in. 15 hours a day playing sc2, I am curious if he is getting better.
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On September 02 2013 16:56 Overtime wrote:
The days when Stephano had 15-20k viewers......
That Honor now goes to Dota 2 players Especially Dendi...
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On September 02 2013 09:21 Stijn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 02:46 Conti wrote:Also also, go and check out Fuzic! Stijn created the awesome looking website with all kinds of stream viewership data. It's much better suited for immediate numbers and analyzing numbers from singular events. Also, it's way prettier than anything I could've ever design. (Note that his project is completely independent from mine, so if you have any questions about it, please ask him and not me. ) Thanks for the plug! ^^ I compared your list to the monthly ranking on my site and noticed that you're not listing Zerg (EmpireTVorg.ZERG) as a player. While he does cast a lot of events he also seems to stream normal play regularly. What's your guidelines for distinguishing between players and casters?
awesome website stijn gonna be looking at this site every morning to motivate myself to stream more haha !
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On September 02 2013 10:04 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 10:00 Exarl25 wrote:On September 02 2013 09:51 reminisce12 wrote:
its quite sad how the sc2 community has to analyse stream view data to determine the popularity of the game... i mean if the game was any good we wouldnt even have to worry bout these things...
You are naive for thinking that the quality of the game has much to do with its popularity at this point. We could have viable mech, Lurkers and the Protoss race removed like people cry for and LoL would still be kicking our ass. It's good to look at the numbers because they tell the story of a scene that has plateaued and is holding steady rather than one which is in freefall decline and taking its last gasping breaths like the doomsayers would have you believe. Honestly in two months the scene will be like super vibrant again, I'm already getting the WoL beta feel of crazy excitement watching these games recently. I am so fucking excited for literally everything.
Haha your excitement is making me excited ! =P WCS Season 3 finals and Blizzcon is gonna rock everyone's sucks off!!!!
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