• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 03:59
CEST 09:59
KST 16:59
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down13ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier5Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League55Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.167
StarCraft 2
General
REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development Evil Geniuses - shutting down How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted
Tourneys
ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
Starcraft player cRuZa Passed away. Young Players Tournament Announced by SOOP Rollback Netcode in Brood War SCHNAIL now supports Remastered BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 2v2v2v2 Tournament [ASL22] Grand Finals [Megathread] Daily Proleagues
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? General RTS Discussion Thread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion!
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
How Much Genes Contribute to…
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9245 users

GSTL/eSF September Rosters Announced - Page 6

Forum Index > SC2 General
137 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 Next All
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-01 16:09:02
September 01 2013 16:08 GMT
#101
On September 01 2013 12:29 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 12:26 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Wait, I dont understand why Kespa didnt keep Team Soul just like they had kept team8 around. Kinda sad to see such a powerful team fall apart so fast.


I honestly think It's because Soul without STX has no intention of going into League of Legends, so Kespa has no interest in them.

On the other hand Team8 was created from the scraps of MBC, WeMadeFox and Hwaseung Oz, 3 teams who disbanded. Aside from this they had great starpower (Jaedong) and potential at the time, it was also still BW.

STX is a single team and they just lost their best player to a foreign team in SC2.
WriterXiao8~~
c0sm0naut
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1229 Posts
September 01 2013 16:11 GMT
#102
only 5 teams.......
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
September 01 2013 16:14 GMT
#103
On September 02 2013 00:57 -niL wrote:
INoVation won PL, I guess now it is GSTL


He didn't win PL on his own. -_- Yeah, sure Winners League Formats certainly help in this position but when you have a lineup of Classic, Dear, Hyvaa, MiNi, and Trap? These guys got hot at the right time.
Sejanus
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Lithuania550 Posts
September 01 2013 16:25 GMT
#104

it's been proven it's a fraud

Whoa... proven as in court, or proven as in some guy on forums told so?
Friends don't let friends massacre civilians
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
September 01 2013 17:28 GMT
#105
GOMTV and Kespa should hurry up with the negotiations and hopefully the eventual merge , because this is getting ugly . Just get GOMTV to stream Proleague and scrap GSTL or have it as some special event or something . Either way Korean scene is still oversaturated with good players . Hopefully Kespa can find sponsors for the teams .

At the beginnig people were optimistic that SC2 will surpass BW , but it seems really hard to envision that future now . I would be just satisfied if Kespa can maintain a 12 team PL just like they did in BW . But there are not enough sponsors , not enough popularity for the game . To bad that past mistakes by Blizzard and Kespa ended up making a game like LOL which in my opinion is way inferior as a spectator sport then SC2 not to mention BW , more popular .
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
September 01 2013 17:41 GMT
#106
On September 02 2013 02:28 raga4ka wrote:
GOMTV and Kespa should hurry up with the negotiations and hopefully the eventual merge , because this is getting ugly . Just get GOMTV to stream Proleague and scrap GSTL or have it as some special event or something . Either way Korean scene is still oversaturated with good players . Hopefully Kespa can find sponsors for the teams .

At the beginnig people were optimistic that SC2 will surpass BW , but it seems really hard to envision that future now . I would be just satisfied if Kespa can maintain a 12 team PL just like they did in BW . But there are not enough sponsors , not enough popularity for the game . To bad that past mistakes by Blizzard and Kespa ended up making a game like LOL which in my opinion is way inferior as a spectator sport then SC2 not to mention BW , more popular .


I don't think that GOM will ever let go of Kespa now after all of ESF's team been bought by Kespa and the fact that Kespa teams embargo'd their leagues multiple in the past all the from GOM Classics to inchoation of SC2 switch. Their relationship will get dirtier and dirtier as time passes as this very well might be the last GSTL from ESF teams. In the future, Kespa will hold monopoly on all of the teams. How would GOM feel about that when ALL of their players are from Kespa to play in the GSL? How would the players feel when they have to choose between ProLeague/OSL and GSL? Chances are that one of the individual leagues (be it OSL or GSL) will meet their respective funeral to pave the way for the other.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
flarest
Profile Joined September 2013
Korea (South)1 Post
September 01 2013 17:57 GMT
#107
so sad...
asdfOu
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2089 Posts
September 01 2013 19:12 GMT
#108
FUCK YEAH HYVAA DIDNT RETIRE BITHCESSSS
rip prime
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
September 01 2013 20:35 GMT
#109
On September 02 2013 02:41 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 02:28 raga4ka wrote:
GOMTV and Kespa should hurry up with the negotiations and hopefully the eventual merge , because this is getting ugly . Just get GOMTV to stream Proleague and scrap GSTL or have it as some special event or something . Either way Korean scene is still oversaturated with good players . Hopefully Kespa can find sponsors for the teams .

At the beginnig people were optimistic that SC2 will surpass BW , but it seems really hard to envision that future now . I would be just satisfied if Kespa can maintain a 12 team PL just like they did in BW . But there are not enough sponsors , not enough popularity for the game . To bad that past mistakes by Blizzard and Kespa ended up making a game like LOL which in my opinion is way inferior as a spectator sport then SC2 not to mention BW , more popular .


I don't think that GOM will ever let go of Kespa now after all of ESF's team been bought by Kespa and the fact that Kespa teams embargo'd their leagues multiple in the past all the from GOM Classics to inchoation of SC2 switch. Their relationship will get dirtier and dirtier as time passes as this very well might be the last GSTL from ESF teams. In the future, Kespa will hold monopoly on all of the teams. How would GOM feel about that when ALL of their players are from Kespa to play in the GSL? How would the players feel when they have to choose between ProLeague/OSL and GSL? Chances are that one of the individual leagues (be it OSL or GSL) will meet their respective funeral to pave the way for the other.


You have no idea what you are talking about ^^
Kespa didn't buy anyone, they ran to them cause eSF is useless.
There is no GSL/OSL anymore, only WCS KR - whatever they want to believe.
Kespa won't do things like that again, cause they are no longer what they used to be, they are part of government now - if GOM would like to, they can (and imo will) join Kespa as anyone can now.
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
September 01 2013 23:47 GMT
#110
On September 02 2013 05:35 Ammanas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 02:41 Xiphos wrote:
On September 02 2013 02:28 raga4ka wrote:
GOMTV and Kespa should hurry up with the negotiations and hopefully the eventual merge , because this is getting ugly . Just get GOMTV to stream Proleague and scrap GSTL or have it as some special event or something . Either way Korean scene is still oversaturated with good players . Hopefully Kespa can find sponsors for the teams .

At the beginnig people were optimistic that SC2 will surpass BW , but it seems really hard to envision that future now . I would be just satisfied if Kespa can maintain a 12 team PL just like they did in BW . But there are not enough sponsors , not enough popularity for the game . To bad that past mistakes by Blizzard and Kespa ended up making a game like LOL which in my opinion is way inferior as a spectator sport then SC2 not to mention BW , more popular .


I don't think that GOM will ever let go of Kespa now after all of ESF's team been bought by Kespa and the fact that Kespa teams embargo'd their leagues multiple in the past all the from GOM Classics to inchoation of SC2 switch. Their relationship will get dirtier and dirtier as time passes as this very well might be the last GSTL from ESF teams. In the future, Kespa will hold monopoly on all of the teams. How would GOM feel about that when ALL of their players are from Kespa to play in the GSL? How would the players feel when they have to choose between ProLeague/OSL and GSL? Chances are that one of the individual leagues (be it OSL or GSL) will meet their respective funeral to pave the way for the other.


You have no idea what you are talking about ^^
Kespa didn't buy anyone, they ran to them cause eSF is useless.
There is no GSL/OSL anymore, only WCS KR - whatever they want to believe.
Kespa won't do things like that again, cause they are no longer what they used to be, they are part of government now - if GOM would like to, they can (and imo will) join Kespa as anyone can now.


The point it that GOM will most likely get shafted away and revert back to how it was in BW days with Kespa maintaining all control with the game and GSL (Or shall I say "WCS Korea" hosted by GOM TV) might disappear as GOM definitely won't back down easily to Kespa. It sucks for SC2 fans as GOM have "apparently" superior production values than OGN (which imo is debatable).
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
Taipoka
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1224 Posts
September 02 2013 00:08 GMT
#111
On September 02 2013 08:47 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 05:35 Ammanas wrote:
On September 02 2013 02:41 Xiphos wrote:
On September 02 2013 02:28 raga4ka wrote:
GOMTV and Kespa should hurry up with the negotiations and hopefully the eventual merge , because this is getting ugly . Just get GOMTV to stream Proleague and scrap GSTL or have it as some special event or something . Either way Korean scene is still oversaturated with good players . Hopefully Kespa can find sponsors for the teams .

At the beginnig people were optimistic that SC2 will surpass BW , but it seems really hard to envision that future now . I would be just satisfied if Kespa can maintain a 12 team PL just like they did in BW . But there are not enough sponsors , not enough popularity for the game . To bad that past mistakes by Blizzard and Kespa ended up making a game like LOL which in my opinion is way inferior as a spectator sport then SC2 not to mention BW , more popular .


I don't think that GOM will ever let go of Kespa now after all of ESF's team been bought by Kespa and the fact that Kespa teams embargo'd their leagues multiple in the past all the from GOM Classics to inchoation of SC2 switch. Their relationship will get dirtier and dirtier as time passes as this very well might be the last GSTL from ESF teams. In the future, Kespa will hold monopoly on all of the teams. How would GOM feel about that when ALL of their players are from Kespa to play in the GSL? How would the players feel when they have to choose between ProLeague/OSL and GSL? Chances are that one of the individual leagues (be it OSL or GSL) will meet their respective funeral to pave the way for the other.


You have no idea what you are talking about ^^
Kespa didn't buy anyone, they ran to them cause eSF is useless.
There is no GSL/OSL anymore, only WCS KR - whatever they want to believe.
Kespa won't do things like that again, cause they are no longer what they used to be, they are part of government now - if GOM would like to, they can (and imo will) join Kespa as anyone can now.


The point it that GOM will most likely get shafted away and revert back to how it was in BW days with Kespa maintaining all control with the game and GSL (Or shall I say "WCS Korea" hosted by GOM TV) might disappear as GOM definitely won't back down easily to Kespa. It sucks for SC2 fans as GOM have "apparently" superior production values than OGN (which imo is debatable).


Disagree.
I think OGN will be more with LOL while GOM/SPOTV still with SC2.
I think that new KeSPA rule that allows GOM to afiliate indicates something this way.
And in the 7th day, Flash stopped macroing the universe.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
September 02 2013 00:11 GMT
#112
This is really depressing to see. The current state of the SC2 scene seems to be "What can we squeeze out before the dying breaths?"

Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
September 02 2013 00:11 GMT
#113
Startale and FXO have crazy amount of players.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
September 02 2013 00:14 GMT
#114
On September 02 2013 09:08 Taipoka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 08:47 Xiphos wrote:
On September 02 2013 05:35 Ammanas wrote:
On September 02 2013 02:41 Xiphos wrote:
On September 02 2013 02:28 raga4ka wrote:
GOMTV and Kespa should hurry up with the negotiations and hopefully the eventual merge , because this is getting ugly . Just get GOMTV to stream Proleague and scrap GSTL or have it as some special event or something . Either way Korean scene is still oversaturated with good players . Hopefully Kespa can find sponsors for the teams .

At the beginnig people were optimistic that SC2 will surpass BW , but it seems really hard to envision that future now . I would be just satisfied if Kespa can maintain a 12 team PL just like they did in BW . But there are not enough sponsors , not enough popularity for the game . To bad that past mistakes by Blizzard and Kespa ended up making a game like LOL which in my opinion is way inferior as a spectator sport then SC2 not to mention BW , more popular .


I don't think that GOM will ever let go of Kespa now after all of ESF's team been bought by Kespa and the fact that Kespa teams embargo'd their leagues multiple in the past all the from GOM Classics to inchoation of SC2 switch. Their relationship will get dirtier and dirtier as time passes as this very well might be the last GSTL from ESF teams. In the future, Kespa will hold monopoly on all of the teams. How would GOM feel about that when ALL of their players are from Kespa to play in the GSL? How would the players feel when they have to choose between ProLeague/OSL and GSL? Chances are that one of the individual leagues (be it OSL or GSL) will meet their respective funeral to pave the way for the other.


You have no idea what you are talking about ^^
Kespa didn't buy anyone, they ran to them cause eSF is useless.
There is no GSL/OSL anymore, only WCS KR - whatever they want to believe.
Kespa won't do things like that again, cause they are no longer what they used to be, they are part of government now - if GOM would like to, they can (and imo will) join Kespa as anyone can now.


The point it that GOM will most likely get shafted away and revert back to how it was in BW days with Kespa maintaining all control with the game and GSL (Or shall I say "WCS Korea" hosted by GOM TV) might disappear as GOM definitely won't back down easily to Kespa. It sucks for SC2 fans as GOM have "apparently" superior production values than OGN (which imo is debatable).


Disagree.
I think OGN will be more with LOL while GOM/SPOTV still with SC2.
I think that new KeSPA rule that allows GOM to afiliate indicates something this way.


You never know the results of these affiliation.

Both side will play nice with each other as long there is a mutual benefit. But judging from the power of Kespa, anything can occur in the next couple of months. They did it with BW, and history might very well repeats itself. And I'm sure that now Kespa have governmental influence, Blizzard won't be on the side of a mere 5 team organization.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
Taipoka
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1224 Posts
September 02 2013 00:45 GMT
#115
On September 02 2013 09:14 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 09:08 Taipoka wrote:
On September 02 2013 08:47 Xiphos wrote:
On September 02 2013 05:35 Ammanas wrote:
On September 02 2013 02:41 Xiphos wrote:
On September 02 2013 02:28 raga4ka wrote:
GOMTV and Kespa should hurry up with the negotiations and hopefully the eventual merge , because this is getting ugly . Just get GOMTV to stream Proleague and scrap GSTL or have it as some special event or something . Either way Korean scene is still oversaturated with good players . Hopefully Kespa can find sponsors for the teams .

At the beginnig people were optimistic that SC2 will surpass BW , but it seems really hard to envision that future now . I would be just satisfied if Kespa can maintain a 12 team PL just like they did in BW . But there are not enough sponsors , not enough popularity for the game . To bad that past mistakes by Blizzard and Kespa ended up making a game like LOL which in my opinion is way inferior as a spectator sport then SC2 not to mention BW , more popular .


I don't think that GOM will ever let go of Kespa now after all of ESF's team been bought by Kespa and the fact that Kespa teams embargo'd their leagues multiple in the past all the from GOM Classics to inchoation of SC2 switch. Their relationship will get dirtier and dirtier as time passes as this very well might be the last GSTL from ESF teams. In the future, Kespa will hold monopoly on all of the teams. How would GOM feel about that when ALL of their players are from Kespa to play in the GSL? How would the players feel when they have to choose between ProLeague/OSL and GSL? Chances are that one of the individual leagues (be it OSL or GSL) will meet their respective funeral to pave the way for the other.


You have no idea what you are talking about ^^
Kespa didn't buy anyone, they ran to them cause eSF is useless.
There is no GSL/OSL anymore, only WCS KR - whatever they want to believe.
Kespa won't do things like that again, cause they are no longer what they used to be, they are part of government now - if GOM would like to, they can (and imo will) join Kespa as anyone can now.


The point it that GOM will most likely get shafted away and revert back to how it was in BW days with Kespa maintaining all control with the game and GSL (Or shall I say "WCS Korea" hosted by GOM TV) might disappear as GOM definitely won't back down easily to Kespa. It sucks for SC2 fans as GOM have "apparently" superior production values than OGN (which imo is debatable).


Disagree.
I think OGN will be more with LOL while GOM/SPOTV still with SC2.
I think that new KeSPA rule that allows GOM to afiliate indicates something this way.


You never know the results of these affiliation.

Both side will play nice with each other as long there is a mutual benefit. But judging from the power of Kespa, anything can occur in the next couple of months. They did it with BW, and history might very well repeats itself. And I'm sure that now Kespa have governmental influence, Blizzard won't be on the side of a mere 5 team organization.


I think Blizz should be more afraid of KeSPA-RIOT deal. Because that 290.000 people today at LCS America was just...
Interesting, i never watched lol, saw today because just want to understand what is this that people hate so much.
I am impressed by the numbers.
And in the 7th day, Flash stopped macroing the universe.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
September 02 2013 00:51 GMT
#116
On September 02 2013 09:45 Taipoka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 09:14 Xiphos wrote:
On September 02 2013 09:08 Taipoka wrote:
On September 02 2013 08:47 Xiphos wrote:
On September 02 2013 05:35 Ammanas wrote:
On September 02 2013 02:41 Xiphos wrote:
On September 02 2013 02:28 raga4ka wrote:
GOMTV and Kespa should hurry up with the negotiations and hopefully the eventual merge , because this is getting ugly . Just get GOMTV to stream Proleague and scrap GSTL or have it as some special event or something . Either way Korean scene is still oversaturated with good players . Hopefully Kespa can find sponsors for the teams .

At the beginnig people were optimistic that SC2 will surpass BW , but it seems really hard to envision that future now . I would be just satisfied if Kespa can maintain a 12 team PL just like they did in BW . But there are not enough sponsors , not enough popularity for the game . To bad that past mistakes by Blizzard and Kespa ended up making a game like LOL which in my opinion is way inferior as a spectator sport then SC2 not to mention BW , more popular .


I don't think that GOM will ever let go of Kespa now after all of ESF's team been bought by Kespa and the fact that Kespa teams embargo'd their leagues multiple in the past all the from GOM Classics to inchoation of SC2 switch. Their relationship will get dirtier and dirtier as time passes as this very well might be the last GSTL from ESF teams. In the future, Kespa will hold monopoly on all of the teams. How would GOM feel about that when ALL of their players are from Kespa to play in the GSL? How would the players feel when they have to choose between ProLeague/OSL and GSL? Chances are that one of the individual leagues (be it OSL or GSL) will meet their respective funeral to pave the way for the other.


You have no idea what you are talking about ^^
Kespa didn't buy anyone, they ran to them cause eSF is useless.
There is no GSL/OSL anymore, only WCS KR - whatever they want to believe.
Kespa won't do things like that again, cause they are no longer what they used to be, they are part of government now - if GOM would like to, they can (and imo will) join Kespa as anyone can now.


The point it that GOM will most likely get shafted away and revert back to how it was in BW days with Kespa maintaining all control with the game and GSL (Or shall I say "WCS Korea" hosted by GOM TV) might disappear as GOM definitely won't back down easily to Kespa. It sucks for SC2 fans as GOM have "apparently" superior production values than OGN (which imo is debatable).


Disagree.
I think OGN will be more with LOL while GOM/SPOTV still with SC2.
I think that new KeSPA rule that allows GOM to afiliate indicates something this way.


You never know the results of these affiliation.

Both side will play nice with each other as long there is a mutual benefit. But judging from the power of Kespa, anything can occur in the next couple of months. They did it with BW, and history might very well repeats itself. And I'm sure that now Kespa have governmental influence, Blizzard won't be on the side of a mere 5 team organization.


I think Blizz should be more afraid of KeSPA-RIOT deal. Because that 290.000 people today at LCS America was just...
Interesting, i never watched lol, saw today because just want to understand what is this that people hate so much.
I am impressed by the numbers.


What's even more dangerous for the SC2 scene is that with ESF being pretty much neutered and emasculated, who is going to protect the interests of SC2 in Korea now? Like you've said, Kespa ain't going to do it. And 290k? man that's some number.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
September 02 2013 00:53 GMT
#117
On September 02 2013 09:51 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 09:45 Taipoka wrote:
On September 02 2013 09:14 Xiphos wrote:
On September 02 2013 09:08 Taipoka wrote:
On September 02 2013 08:47 Xiphos wrote:
On September 02 2013 05:35 Ammanas wrote:
On September 02 2013 02:41 Xiphos wrote:
On September 02 2013 02:28 raga4ka wrote:
GOMTV and Kespa should hurry up with the negotiations and hopefully the eventual merge , because this is getting ugly . Just get GOMTV to stream Proleague and scrap GSTL or have it as some special event or something . Either way Korean scene is still oversaturated with good players . Hopefully Kespa can find sponsors for the teams .

At the beginnig people were optimistic that SC2 will surpass BW , but it seems really hard to envision that future now . I would be just satisfied if Kespa can maintain a 12 team PL just like they did in BW . But there are not enough sponsors , not enough popularity for the game . To bad that past mistakes by Blizzard and Kespa ended up making a game like LOL which in my opinion is way inferior as a spectator sport then SC2 not to mention BW , more popular .


I don't think that GOM will ever let go of Kespa now after all of ESF's team been bought by Kespa and the fact that Kespa teams embargo'd their leagues multiple in the past all the from GOM Classics to inchoation of SC2 switch. Their relationship will get dirtier and dirtier as time passes as this very well might be the last GSTL from ESF teams. In the future, Kespa will hold monopoly on all of the teams. How would GOM feel about that when ALL of their players are from Kespa to play in the GSL? How would the players feel when they have to choose between ProLeague/OSL and GSL? Chances are that one of the individual leagues (be it OSL or GSL) will meet their respective funeral to pave the way for the other.


You have no idea what you are talking about ^^
Kespa didn't buy anyone, they ran to them cause eSF is useless.
There is no GSL/OSL anymore, only WCS KR - whatever they want to believe.
Kespa won't do things like that again, cause they are no longer what they used to be, they are part of government now - if GOM would like to, they can (and imo will) join Kespa as anyone can now.


The point it that GOM will most likely get shafted away and revert back to how it was in BW days with Kespa maintaining all control with the game and GSL (Or shall I say "WCS Korea" hosted by GOM TV) might disappear as GOM definitely won't back down easily to Kespa. It sucks for SC2 fans as GOM have "apparently" superior production values than OGN (which imo is debatable).


Disagree.
I think OGN will be more with LOL while GOM/SPOTV still with SC2.
I think that new KeSPA rule that allows GOM to afiliate indicates something this way.


You never know the results of these affiliation.

Both side will play nice with each other as long there is a mutual benefit. But judging from the power of Kespa, anything can occur in the next couple of months. They did it with BW, and history might very well repeats itself. And I'm sure that now Kespa have governmental influence, Blizzard won't be on the side of a mere 5 team organization.


I think Blizz should be more afraid of KeSPA-RIOT deal. Because that 290.000 people today at LCS America was just...
Interesting, i never watched lol, saw today because just want to understand what is this that people hate so much.
I am impressed by the numbers.


What's even more dangerous for the SC2 scene is that with ESF being pretty much neutered and emasculated, who is going to protect the interests of SC2 in Korea now? Like you've said, Kespa ain't going to do it. And 290k? man that's some number.


I think the simple fact of the matter is that SC2 doesn't have a future in Korea
Taipoka
Profile Joined November 2012
Brazil1224 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-02 01:31:57
September 02 2013 01:12 GMT
#118
On September 02 2013 09:53 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 09:51 Xiphos wrote:
On September 02 2013 09:45 Taipoka wrote:
On September 02 2013 09:14 Xiphos wrote:
On September 02 2013 09:08 Taipoka wrote:
On September 02 2013 08:47 Xiphos wrote:
On September 02 2013 05:35 Ammanas wrote:
On September 02 2013 02:41 Xiphos wrote:
On September 02 2013 02:28 raga4ka wrote:
GOMTV and Kespa should hurry up with the negotiations and hopefully the eventual merge , because this is getting ugly . Just get GOMTV to stream Proleague and scrap GSTL or have it as some special event or something . Either way Korean scene is still oversaturated with good players . Hopefully Kespa can find sponsors for the teams .

At the beginnig people were optimistic that SC2 will surpass BW , but it seems really hard to envision that future now . I would be just satisfied if Kespa can maintain a 12 team PL just like they did in BW . But there are not enough sponsors , not enough popularity for the game . To bad that past mistakes by Blizzard and Kespa ended up making a game like LOL which in my opinion is way inferior as a spectator sport then SC2 not to mention BW , more popular .


I don't think that GOM will ever let go of Kespa now after all of ESF's team been bought by Kespa and the fact that Kespa teams embargo'd their leagues multiple in the past all the from GOM Classics to inchoation of SC2 switch. Their relationship will get dirtier and dirtier as time passes as this very well might be the last GSTL from ESF teams. In the future, Kespa will hold monopoly on all of the teams. How would GOM feel about that when ALL of their players are from Kespa to play in the GSL? How would the players feel when they have to choose between ProLeague/OSL and GSL? Chances are that one of the individual leagues (be it OSL or GSL) will meet their respective funeral to pave the way for the other.


You have no idea what you are talking about ^^
Kespa didn't buy anyone, they ran to them cause eSF is useless.
There is no GSL/OSL anymore, only WCS KR - whatever they want to believe.
Kespa won't do things like that again, cause they are no longer what they used to be, they are part of government now - if GOM would like to, they can (and imo will) join Kespa as anyone can now.


The point it that GOM will most likely get shafted away and revert back to how it was in BW days with Kespa maintaining all control with the game and GSL (Or shall I say "WCS Korea" hosted by GOM TV) might disappear as GOM definitely won't back down easily to Kespa. It sucks for SC2 fans as GOM have "apparently" superior production values than OGN (which imo is debatable).


Disagree.
I think OGN will be more with LOL while GOM/SPOTV still with SC2.
I think that new KeSPA rule that allows GOM to afiliate indicates something this way.


You never know the results of these affiliation.

Both side will play nice with each other as long there is a mutual benefit. But judging from the power of Kespa, anything can occur in the next couple of months. They did it with BW, and history might very well repeats itself. And I'm sure that now Kespa have governmental influence, Blizzard won't be on the side of a mere 5 team organization.


I think Blizz should be more afraid of KeSPA-RIOT deal. Because that 290.000 people today at LCS America was just...
Interesting, i never watched lol, saw today because just want to understand what is this that people hate so much.
I am impressed by the numbers.


What's even more dangerous for the SC2 scene is that with ESF being pretty much neutered and emasculated, who is going to protect the interests of SC2 in Korea now? Like you've said, Kespa ain't going to do it. And 290k? man that's some number.


I think the simple fact of the matter is that SC2 doesn't have a future in Korea


I agree with you.
Because, look at this generation of SC2 players. They went to SC2 because they had their heroes (The BW players),
who was korean idols/heroes.
Now think about the next generation. Their heroes/idols will be a SC2 player? Or a LOL player?
Do you think they will choose to play SC2 or LOL?
In the long term, i think the korean scene will be even smaller if this trends continue.
And in the 7th day, Flash stopped macroing the universe.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
September 02 2013 04:34 GMT
#119
With only five teams left, maybe this will finally be Startale's season to win!
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
havok55
Profile Joined May 2013
United States276 Posts
September 02 2013 08:58 GMT
#120
Innovation left Proleague for this... ? -_-
Prev 1 4 5 6 7 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 1m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
Leta 1166
Mong 163
Hyuk 40
NaDa 34
yabsab 10
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm191
Other Games
summit1g9944
C9.Mang0241
Livibee184
Sick129
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL11888
Other Games
gamesdonequick812
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 7
[ Show 8 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
FEL
1h 1m
Patches Events
5h 1m
AI Arena Tournament
9h 1m
FEL
1d 2h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 2h
Replay Cast
1d 15h
WardiTV Weekly
2 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
3 days
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
[ Show More ]
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
5 days
SHIN vs GuMiho
Clem vs Classic
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Epic.LAN
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - GSC
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
BSL Season 23
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2026-27
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.