EPTOn September 02 2013 17:58 havok55 wrote:
Innovation left Proleague for this... ? -_-
Innovation left Proleague for this... ? -_-
He would have been in this even if he didn't join team acer... He'd be a part of Soul...
GSTL/eSF September Rosters Announced - Page 7
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Elite_
United States4259 Posts
He would have been in this even if he didn't join team acer... He'd be a part of Soul... | ||
Destructicon
4713 Posts
On September 02 2013 08:47 Xiphos wrote: The point it that GOM will most likely get shafted away and revert back to how it was in BW days with Kespa maintaining all control with the game and GSL (Or shall I say "WCS Korea" hosted by GOM TV) might disappear as GOM definitely won't back down easily to Kespa. It sucks for SC2 fans as GOM have "apparently" superior production values than OGN (which imo is debatable). As part of the new KeSPA policy outlined in this thread. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=427174 I highly doubt this will happen, any team or organization that operates as part of eSports in Korea can not only join KeSPA but also influence its policy and defend their own interest now. The only reason we have this huge clusterfuck right now is because we are going trough a transitional period, some teams are in the process of switching right now or seriously considering it (IM, MVP, Prime), some of the still haven't made up their mind or they believe they can juggle both GSTL and the transition, perhaps they wish to join later. I hate people spreading negativity and fear mongering when we yet haven't had any cause for concern. Side note, consider that if IM joins KeSPA it can only be a good thing (and I talking about the whole migration to KeSPA as a whole, not just IM), because of NesTea. Now NesTea has been a long time supporter of the eSF and did everything he could to protect their interests from KeSPA, and I believe he was strongly opposed to KeSPA when it was all absolutist and totalitarian. If he could get over that and IM is now joining then I believe either his attitude towards KeSPA has changed or, more likely, the times have changed and this is the new and more trustworthy KeSPA. And speaking of the man himself it would be awesome if someone could indeed get an interview with NesTea, I bet his insights and thoughts on KeSPA now could really be indicative of the attitude of the teams as a whole. A interview with mr Chae could also help. | ||
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Antares_
Poland269 Posts
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
On September 02 2013 19:58 Antares_ wrote: So, it's basically 5 teams (or 4 and 1/2, since Soul is in kinda weird situation) left in GSTL? That's pretty much ridiculous. Can't really call them half a team when they're basically the latest proleague champions minus Innovation | ||
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thezanursic
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metroid composite
Canada231 Posts
On September 02 2013 20:47 TAMinator wrote: Can't really call them half a team when they're basically the latest proleague champions minus Innovation minus Innovation, Bear, Comet, Classic, Calm, and Mini, plus Hwangsin. I dunno, if it was just innovation they'd be looking pretty healthy, but losing Classic hurts. Like...who do they field now? Trap, Dear, Hyvva, obviously, but after those three the roster is looking pretty thin for a fourth player. They haven't fielded Last since April, and he's been losing all his other matches lately (dropped out of code S, dropped out of code A, lost his first match when trying to re-qualify for code B). And the rest of the roster does not inspire confidence. Hwangsin if he did transfer from Quantic...has had uninspiring results lately. (Lost to CatZ in a team league...in fact lost to several north/south americans recently--Nony, goswser, hendralisk, badcop, KiLLeR). YoungJoo has been trying and failing to qualify for WCS Europe--although I'll grant, maybe the lag is killing him since I assume he's playing from Korea. SSanaEE has been trying and failing to qualify for WCS America (getting knocked out by relatively unknown north americans such as sAikOu...). Basically, they have three strong players, but GSTL requires them to field five players. Soul used to field six in proleague, of course, but when they were winning proleague they generally fielded the same six (Mini, Classic, Innovation, Hyvva, Dear, Trap) and they've lost three of those players. So...they'll have to dust off two players from their B-team, and none of them are showing signs of being in particularly great shape. | ||
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metroid composite
Canada231 Posts
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rd
United States2586 Posts
On September 02 2013 09:51 Xiphos wrote: What's even more dangerous for the SC2 scene is that with ESF being pretty much neutered and emasculated, who is going to protect the interests of SC2 in Korea now? Like you've said, Kespa ain't going to do it. And 290k? man that's some number. esf doesn't really have a use right now. It was made specifically to uphold the interests of non-kespa teams in direct response to a ruthless kespa moving into SC2. With an over saturation of teams and players, its inevitable some are going to go, and ultimately, one of these organizations will cease to exist. Since it's definitely not going to be kespa, this simply strikes the beginning of the end of esf that everyone should have already seen coming anyways. | ||
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Darrkhan
Finland1236 Posts
On September 03 2013 01:37 metroid composite wrote: minus Innovation, Bear, Comet, Classic, Calm, and Mini, plus Hwangsin. I dunno, if it was just innovation they'd be looking pretty healthy, but losing Classic hurts. Like...who do they field now? Trap, Dear, Hyvva, obviously, but after those three the roster is looking pretty thin for a fourth player. They haven't fielded Last since April, and he's been losing all his other matches lately (dropped out of code S, dropped out of code A, lost his first match when trying to re-qualify for code B). And the rest of the roster does not inspire confidence. Hwangsin if he did transfer from Quantic...has had uninspiring results lately. (Lost to CatZ in a team league...in fact lost to several north/south americans recently--Nony, goswser, hendralisk, badcop, KiLLeR). YoungJoo has been trying and failing to qualify for WCS Europe--although I'll grant, maybe the lag is killing him since I assume he's playing from Korea. SSanaEE has been trying and failing to qualify for WCS America (getting knocked out by relatively unknown north americans such as sAikOu...). Basically, they have three strong players, but GSTL requires them to field five players. Soul used to field six in proleague, of course, but when they were winning proleague they generally fielded the same six (Mini, Classic, Innovation, Hyvva, Dear, Trap) and they've lost three of those players. So...they'll have to dust off two players from their B-team, and none of them are showing signs of being in particularly great shape. Bear, Comet, Classic and Calm didn't really do whole lot. 5 teams is kinda funky lol... It seems to me that Startale and Axiom-Acer (does scarlett play, if not that is pretty bad for them) are the strongest teams this season I'm little worried for FXO. They don't look as strong as they used to. Leenock and Gumiho are still somewhat ok but I think Hurricane might be the strongest player of the team right now. Azubu is still looking ok. Supernova has been doing really well lately, Symbol is also doing ok (not in ZvT tho) and then there is B4 and Sleep. And then SouL. Even though Innovation is not part of the team anymore they still look quite strong! Dear and Trap are both imo one of the best players in GSTL. Both are also code s if I recall correct (?) We haven't seen Last for quite a long time but I'm sure he will show up too this season and he was pretty good when in MLG! Hyvaa did fine in PL with his cheeses :D and then there is SSanaEE!!!!!!!! Sad that MVP, Prime and IM are not participating  Prime and IM were the teams I really only rooted for....oh well.. Looking forward this season still! + Show Spoiler + Standings prediction 1. Axiom-Acer 2. Startale 3. SouL 4. AZUBU 5. FXO (;______; nooooooo) | ||
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metroid composite
Canada231 Posts
Bear, Comet, Classic and Calm didn't really do whole lot. Classic did a ton for them for them once he switched to Protoss. He went 15-4 post race-switch (79% winrate. In proleague. Literally higher than Rain during the same rounds) and was fielded almost every match. But sure, he had unremarkable results back when he played Terran. It seems to me that Startale and Axiom-Acer (does scarlett play, if not that is pretty bad for them) are the strongest teams this season Scarlett plays, yeah, although she'll be missing the first two matches of the season (dealing with visa issues, and making sure she fully recovers from her injury). | ||
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BoZiffer
United States1841 Posts
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Advantageous
China1350 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
On September 03 2013 03:54 BoZiffer wrote: Despite PL being also in a pretty sad situation. (i mean, cutting down all Kespa teams, because of funding more for the LoL teams, wtf)Man...this makes PL look THAT much better. | ||
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Cyanocyst
2222 Posts
This truly does hurt the quality of content of SC2. | ||
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Steel
Japan2283 Posts
going to be a weird season I guess, Prime MVP and IM were such core teams.. | ||
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
 make it happen eSF.... | ||
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zelevin
United States255 Posts
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Thrillz
4313 Posts
On September 03 2013 02:41 metroid composite wrote: Classic did a ton for them for them once he switched to Protoss. He went 15-4 post race-switch (79% winrate. In proleague. Literally higher than Rain during the same rounds) and was fielded almost every match. But sure, he had unremarkable results back when he played Terran. Scarlett plays, yeah, although she'll be missing the first two matches of the season (dealing with visa issues, and making sure she fully recovers from her injury). Word Classic was very important and won the last game for the PL championship. But GSTL is just so unremarkable now. | ||
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