• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 00:29
CEST 06:29
KST 13:29
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play1Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7Code S Season 2 (2026) - RO8 Preview8
Community News
[TLMC] Summer 2026 Ladder Map Rotation05.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)86ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo39Weekly Cups (June 8-14): Clem and Solar double, PTR tested0RSL: S6 Finals played at BlizzCon 202611
StarCraft 2
General
Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start) The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser Old Replays From 1.4.6 The future of the SC game model
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! Douyu Cup 2026: $20,000 Legends Event (June 26-28) RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event INu's Battles#17 <BO.9> Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery Mutation # 530 One For All
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion Best thing happen to StarCraft since Remastered? ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool ProGamer Paychecks Story Data needed
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Grand Finals The Casual Games of the Week Thread [BSL22] GosuLeague Casts - Tue & Thu 22:00 CEST
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies Why doesn't anyone use restoration?
Other Games
General Games
ZeroSpace at Steam NextFest - Last free demo Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The HerO Fan Club! The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [TV/BOOK] *SPOILERS* Game of Thrones Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion McBoner: A hockey love story Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Listen To The Coaches!
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
I'm an arrogant trash talke…
FlaShFTW
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7604 users

STX drops SouL, retirements ensue, remaining players to pl…

Forum Index > SC2 General
363 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 10 11 12 13 14 19 Next All
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 17:00:13
August 31 2013 17:00 GMT
#221
On September 01 2013 01:48 AmuseD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 01:47 Arceus wrote:
On September 01 2013 01:44 lichter wrote:
I wonder how Blizz will react to this lol

They cry every night for the mistake of handling Korean sc2 to GOM
And Im blaming Blizzard for everything


Why is that so bad? Kespa was still going on with BroodWar. Other solutions then just throwing it as a ''mistake of blizzard''?

Because they had a feud with KeSPA which eventually resulted in exclusive sc2 right handled to GOM
GOM couldnt do shit because sc2 wasnt on TV
OGN processed to find another flagship program to replace BW
The rest is history

PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32748 Posts
August 31 2013 17:00 GMT
#222
At least STX SouL went out with a swan song. Hope the best for everyone affected by the dissolution.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
August 31 2013 17:00 GMT
#223
On September 01 2013 01:55 revel8 wrote:
Apollo tweeted yesterday that the Korean SC2 scene was crumbling. I wasn't sure what he meant. I guess he was referring to all these developments.
Show nested quote +

Shaun Clark ‏@ApolloSC2 30 Aug

Sad to see the Korean scene crumbling.. Little expected though, its oversaturated for its eco system, will thin out but won't die


Yeah, Apollo is totally right with this. SC2 build up a scene that could support a certain amount of progamers economically. Than Kespa switched over, bringing more players in than viewers. Not all of the current Korean players can have enough exposure and now the amount of players has to shrink a little.
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
August 31 2013 17:00 GMT
#224
On September 01 2013 01:56 juvenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 01:45 AmuseD wrote:
I hate to see that so much people are acting like ''omg sc2 is dead or dying''.

Get a grip on yourself and be realistic.

Yes old BW players are retiring from starcraft 2, I am at least happy that they gave it a try and decided to stop. So be it. Good luck to them in the future. Starcraft 2 will continue no matter what!

long live Warcraft III! I mean they still got a WCG spot right?

Yes, final time this year
I am sure Blizz want kill wc3, as they did in scbw.
probably because wcg is in china this year they got final time.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
ForTehDarkseid
Profile Joined April 2013
8139 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 17:15:39
August 31 2013 17:01 GMT
#225
On September 01 2013 01:58 AmuseD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 01:55 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On September 01 2013 01:45 AmuseD wrote:
I hate to see that so much people are acting like ''omg sc2 is dead or dying''.

Get a grip on yourself and be realistic.

Yes old BW players are retiring from starcraft 2, I am at least happy that they gave it a try and decided to stop. So be it. Good luck to them in the future. Starcraft 2 will continue no matter what!

You don't see (or don't want to see) the big picture in the background.


What is there else to see? It already has been said that the starcraft 2 scene is over packed. Economic crisis is hitting every company. But still the starcraft 2 scene is not dying.
If you can point me out what I overlooked that would be great

ESports aren't running on a money, they are running on a passion.
I remember almost everybody, who was in love with BW, hated LoL (we had good reasons then) when OGN just started promoting it. Today I watched the finals and it became transparent to me, no matter what I (or anyone else) think about the game or Riot's policy, Koreans like it, they feel passionate about it, they are proud of it. And it's a joy to be spectator of.
I think their strategy is to dumpster bad Western teams (c) uriel
Mutaller
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States1051 Posts
August 31 2013 17:01 GMT
#226
really sucks... They won pro league too.
"To practice isn't for you to get better now in the present. Practice will never betray you and will always come back for you in the future." -Jaedong
Amaril
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany105 Posts
August 31 2013 17:02 GMT
#227
Dear and Trap should find a team no problem. But its ridiculous from STX because they just won the ProLeague and their CEO said they would continue to support them.
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
August 31 2013 17:03 GMT
#228
On September 01 2013 02:02 Amaril wrote:
Dear and Trap should find a team no problem. But its ridiculous from STX because they just won the ProLeague and their CEO said they would continue to support them.


well CEO wanted to, their creditors didn't. That's the world of business when your company is 9 billion USD in debt...
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
August 31 2013 17:03 GMT
#229
On September 01 2013 02:00 Arceus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 01:48 AmuseD wrote:
On September 01 2013 01:47 Arceus wrote:
On September 01 2013 01:44 lichter wrote:
I wonder how Blizz will react to this lol

They cry every night for the mistake of handling Korean sc2 to GOM
And Im blaming Blizzard for everything


Why is that so bad? Kespa was still going on with BroodWar. Other solutions then just throwing it as a ''mistake of blizzard''?

Because they had a feud with KeSPA which eventually resulted in exclusive sc2 right handled to GOM
GOM couldnt do shit because sc2 wasnt on TV
OGN processed to find another flagship program to replace BW
The rest is history



I doubt people will appreciate this kind of talk, but it really should be considered that not having SC2 on TV with Kespa/OGN backing hurt it a lot in the local market.
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
August 31 2013 17:04 GMT
#230
On September 01 2013 02:01 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 01:58 AmuseD wrote:
On September 01 2013 01:55 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On September 01 2013 01:45 AmuseD wrote:
I hate to see that so much people are acting like ''omg sc2 is dead or dying''.

Get a grip on yourself and be realistic.

Yes old BW players are retiring from starcraft 2, I am at least happy that they gave it a try and decided to stop. So be it. Good luck to them in the future. Starcraft 2 will continue no matter what!

You don't see (or don't want to see) the big picture in the background.


What is there else to see? It already has been said that the starcraft 2 scene is over packed. Economic crisis is hitting every company. But still the starcraft 2 scene is not dying.
If you can point me out what I overlooked that would be great

ESports aren't running on a money, they are running on a passion.

From company perspective yes maybe. definitely not from players perspective.
Many players (formerly wc3/scbw) dont like to play sc2, but they very like to attend tournaments (best example: idra).
scbw and wc3 were/are vrey different to sc2.
Grubby | ToD | Moon | Lyn | Sky
L0L
Profile Joined August 2012
United States176 Posts
August 31 2013 17:09 GMT
#231
Next SC2 Proleague to be the last. What comes after?
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
August 31 2013 17:10 GMT
#232
On September 01 2013 02:09 L0L wrote:
Next SC2 Proleague to be the last. What comes after?


BW Proleague obv.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
August 31 2013 17:10 GMT
#233
I think people are forgetting that the Korean scene basically doubled in size when Kespa switched without a proportional increase in interest.

Basically it will be back to pre-KespaSC2 days, maybe slightly better.

I'm fine with that.
AdministratorYOU MUST HEED MY INSTRUCTIONS TAKE OFF YOUR THIIIINGS
AmuseD
Profile Joined July 2011
Netherlands133 Posts
August 31 2013 17:10 GMT
#234
On September 01 2013 02:01 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 01:58 AmuseD wrote:
On September 01 2013 01:55 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On September 01 2013 01:45 AmuseD wrote:
I hate to see that so much people are acting like ''omg sc2 is dead or dying''.

Get a grip on yourself and be realistic.

Yes old BW players are retiring from starcraft 2, I am at least happy that they gave it a try and decided to stop. So be it. Good luck to them in the future. Starcraft 2 will continue no matter what!

You don't see (or don't want to see) the big picture in the background.


What is there else to see? It already has been said that the starcraft 2 scene is over packed. Economic crisis is hitting every company. But still the starcraft 2 scene is not dying.
If you can point me out what I overlooked that would be great

ESports aren't running on a money, they are running on a passion.


I can shake your hand on that ofcourse. But doing something for A LIVING, then pasion won't feed and pay bills for you. I was talking in an economical perspective
Supah ToHLL
Ammanas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Slovakia2166 Posts
August 31 2013 17:11 GMT
#235
On September 01 2013 02:10 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 02:09 L0L wrote:
Next SC2 Proleague to be the last. What comes after?


BW Proleague obv.


no, LoL proleague and LoL B-team Proleague. :p
JangBi forever <3 || Classic! herO! Rain! Zest! | Rogue! Hydra! Solar! | Fantasy! Cure! Reality! Sorry! Journey!
Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
August 31 2013 17:11 GMT
#236
Well with all this shit I don't see JD going back to JinAir (fine by me)
Refer to my post.
Spec
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Taiwan931 Posts
August 31 2013 17:11 GMT
#237
Damn the creditors.
Eye for an eye make the world go blind - Gandhi
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
August 31 2013 17:11 GMT
#238
On September 01 2013 02:10 lichter wrote:
I think people are forgetting that the Korean scene basically doubled in size when Kespa switched without a proportional increase in interest.

Basically it will be back to pre-KespaSC2 days, maybe slightly better.

I'm fine with that.

Me too, but I hope MVP doesn't have to be a victim of that switch.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5222 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-31 17:14:44
August 31 2013 17:13 GMT
#239
On September 01 2013 02:11 Spec wrote:
Damn the creditors.

Better email the sponsors.

This is really sad. I'm going to miss STX. But really, what was a shipping giant doing in E-Sports? Very odd place to advertise, unless BW was really huge in Korea and the shipping barons there watch E-Sports.
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
August 31 2013 17:13 GMT
#240
I read Hwangsin as Hwasin for a second and I was like THE RED SNIPER?! Then I remembered he was banned and checked again

Seemed like SC2 was getting back on its feet with HotS but now it really looks like (in Korea) its basically a dead game...
Prev 1 10 11 12 13 14 19 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
22:50
Maestros Playoffs Replay Cast
Maru vs Serral
herO vs Classic
PiGStarcraft602
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft602
WinterStarcraft592
RuFF_SC2 163
ProTech141
oGsTOP 130
Nina 1
StarCraft: Brood War
GuemChi 3205
Rain 2896
Sea 2022
Shuttle 538
Hyuk 131
Dewaltoss 57
Bale 18
Noble 15
Terrorterran 13
ZergMaN 13
[ Show more ]
Purpose 8
PianO 8
Icarus 4
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm137
League of Legends
JimRising 798
Counter-Strike
Coldzera 0
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox690
Mew2King81
Other Games
summit1g11453
UpATreeSC41
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1374
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream348
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 92
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1224
• Rush1142
• Stunt376
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
5h 31m
RSL Revival
12h 31m
Bombastic Starleague
15h 31m
PiGosaur Cup
19h 31m
Kung Fu Cup
1d 6h
Replay Cast
1d 19h
CrankTV Team League
2 days
Bombastic Starleague
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
HomeStory Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
HomeStory Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
HomeStory Cup
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
Douyu Cup 2026
Murky Cup 2026

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
CSCL: Masked Kings S4
YSL S3
CSL Season 21: Qualifier 2
SCTL 2026 Spring
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
ASL Season 22:Wild Card Qualifier
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
HSC XXIX
BCC 2026
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E1
Heroes Pulsing #3
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.