Thanks to azurespace for making the original post! STX passed along the announcement to KeSPA that they cannot keep running STX SouL. STX had wanted to continue their sponsorship of the team, and KeSPA offered that they would get sub-sponsors to help out STX if they would stay on board. However, the creditors rejected the suggestion, and the potential sub-sponsors backed out upon hearing the news.
The Soul players Dear, Classic, Mini, Trap, and Size had participated in the 'posting' process (a draft/auction to the remaining KeSPA teams) in secret on the 28th of August, with INnoVation opting out due to joining team Acer. Only Classic was able to join a KeSPA team through posting, joining SK Telecom T1.
Coaches Calm and Park Jong Soo have decided to begin their military service, and Protoss player Mini has retired.
Some of the remaining players are looking to join foreign teams, while the remaining players and coaching staff will participate in the GSTL as Team "SouL." They are expected to acquire new players such as Hwangsin and SSaNaEE for this purpose. The head coach of SouL, Kim Min Gi and coach Choi Won Suk have made a contract for a team house around Incheon at their own expense to help gamers who want to continue their careers.
The coach of SouL, Kim Min Gi and Choi Won Suk has made a contract for a dormitary around Incheon at their own expanse to help gamers who want to continue their career as progamer.
As expected. Classic to SKT T1? Well, someone can coach Bisu's terran now. Also, Zombie STX in GSTL? Sounds.... ah, good luck. Mini as someone mentioned at BW forum, was caught streaming BW on Afreeca. Now, wait for news of disbandment of 2 more teams and possible formation of new one (or shall we count zombie STX as one?). Also, STX got passionate coaches.... maybe that's why they had such a good players. Also, do we know who is left in SouL? I suppose hyvaa is still looking for new team (foreign one? who knows). Last is having health issues if i heard it right and so we are left with Dear and Trap from A-team and whoever left from B-team (Youngjoo, huh).
On September 01 2013 00:42 KaiserKieran wrote: WTF they won Proleague how can this happen? And Mini retiring sucks. I was hoping he would make a big splash in sc2.
This is more about financial troubles of STX the company than it is about how well they did in SPL. They also stopped sponsoring a Korean soccer team.
On September 01 2013 00:43 lolfail9001 wrote: Now, wait for news of disbandment of 2 more teams and possible formation of new one (or shall we count zombie STX as one?).
On September 01 2013 00:43 lolfail9001 wrote: Now, wait for news of disbandment of 2 more teams and possible formation of new one (or shall we count zombie STX as one?).
Is this a speculation or real info?
Its speculated that Woongjin will lose their sponsor as the Woongjin group filed for bankrupcy
Ugh, the team remnants continuing in GSTL is kinda disgusting. It would be much more fitting to end it all right now. The proleague win is a nice send off.
On September 01 2013 00:43 lolfail9001 wrote: Now, wait for news of disbandment of 2 more teams and possible formation of new one (or shall we count zombie STX as one?).
Is this a speculation or real info?
Just speculating over lastshadow's recent tweet. And yes, Azubu falls apart and Woongjin is in STX's level of troubles.
At least they finished with a win. Respect to the coaches for renting a new team house at their own expenses and their support for the players. Now Innovation vs Scarlett showmatch to welcome him please.
Disgusted that INnoVation's going to Acer (why ?) but so happy that Classic's coming to SKT1 ! Anyway, I hope Dear, Trap are going to find a good team soon.
It is only natural that many teams are folding as the interest for sc2 is nowhere near the peak it was in the brood war days. This and a huge influx of players and teams entering into an already established scene.
On September 01 2013 00:43 lolfail9001 wrote: Now, wait for news of disbandment of 2 more teams and possible formation of new one (or shall we count zombie STX as one?).
Is this a speculation or real info?
Just speculating over lastshadow's recent tweet. And yes, Azubu falls apart and Woongjin is in STX's level of troubles.
Even after all the superstars get picked up, someone could probably make a strong team from the remnants of AZUBU, NSH, STX, and Woongjin.
On September 01 2013 00:43 lolfail9001 wrote: Now, wait for news of disbandment of 2 more teams and possible formation of new one (or shall we count zombie STX as one?).
Is this a speculation or real info?
Just speculating over lastshadow's recent tweet. And yes, Azubu falls apart and Woongjin is in STX's level of troubles.
Even after all the superstars get picked up, someone could probably make a strong team from the remnants of AZUBU, NSH, STX, and Woongjin.
That's what starts happening it seems. Question is: should Azubu and Woongjin also disband who will pick all the strong players there are? Do not forget, that in woongjin's case their b-team is comparable to some weaker a-teams.
On September 01 2013 00:54 vult wrote: Shit, hyvaa, Mini, and Calm all gone? This is pretty huge.
Well mini i heard streamed BW recently and i would not wonder if we would see Mini and hyvaa playing in SRT soon enough (assuming they won't go doing their military earlier).
On September 01 2013 00:59 Liquid`Ret wrote: so sad that hyvaa is retiring
idk how to feel about innovation to acer
good for acer good that innovation will pick up lots of foreign tournaments in the next 12 months
but does it really help the scene that korea's top player is now going to europe/NA?
WCS Korea in NA/EU. Been like this for a while now. Heck it's been like this for a lot of tournaments. I thought Innovation doesn't like foreign tournaments though?
On September 01 2013 00:59 Liquid`Ret wrote: so sad that hyvaa is retiring
idk how to feel about innovation to acer
good for acer good that innovation will pick up lots of foreign tournaments in the next 12 months
but does it really help the scene that korea's top player is now going to europe/NA?
I do not think that Innovation will really move into eu/NA, will probably stay with Scarlett/MMA and Axiom in Axiom's house. Granted i am worried for foreign tournaments, that do not have Naniwa or TaeJa as attending players.
On September 01 2013 00:59 Liquid`Ret wrote: but does it really help the scene that korea's top player is now going to europe/NA?
If he's not laddering on EU/NA, practicing with EU/NA players, or becoming a known personality, then he's essentially a Korean mercenary sent to win tournaments.
So sad I just started to like hyvaa Another toss coming to T1 might hint about some retirement All sad everything Hope SouL wins Global Zombie Teamleague
WAit what hyvaa is actually retiring? and so is Mini, man why are so many pros retiring formt he game? is it just not worth palying anymore? is it too hard or no money in the game anymore?
On September 01 2013 01:04 andrewlt wrote: Boxer really loves protoss. Guess Classic is there to replace Best. I wonder why Dear and/or Trap didn't get picked up, though.
So there are so many threads about retiring progamers, that none even bothered making a dedicated thread about hyvaa retiring as well? Or is it just not confirmed yet?
On September 01 2013 01:04 andrewlt wrote: Boxer really loves protoss. Guess Classic is there to replace Best. I wonder why Dear and/or Trap didn't get picked up, though.
So many people retiring. Are they quitting their progamer career? I thought BW was dying now that KESPA switched over to SC2.
Apparently most of those retired people were caught agreeing to or streaming BW on afreeca. So i would not wonder if we see a serious influx in amount of interest to SSL9 in Korea.
No more hilarious 6 pools and other cheeses. I play protoss, but when I see Classic going to SKT... another protoss? They should really get a strong zerg player instead imo.
Kinda sad the winning team ended up disbanding, but we all saw this one coming.
On September 01 2013 01:10 vhapter wrote: No more hilarious 6 pools and other cheeses. I play protoss, but when I see Classic going to SKT... another protoss? They should really get a strong zerg player instead imo.
Kinda sad the winning team ended up disbanding, but we all saw this one coming.
If rumors are true, then they will need Classic as a replacement for another guy (hint, hint, tweet i posted).
People should realize that this has nothing to do with the state of sc2 popularity on the contrary WCS season 2 finals was quite a huge success. This is solely due to the company failing.
On September 01 2013 01:17 Rescawen wrote: People should realize that this has nothing to do with the state of sc2 popularity on the contrary WCS season 2 finals was quite a huge success. This is solely due to the company failing.
Players retiring on other hand means that A. they do not like the game. B. have some serious RL reasons to stop playing it. So far it looks like A is prevalent.
On September 01 2013 01:17 Rescawen wrote: People should realize that this has nothing to do with the state of sc2 popularity on the contrary WCS season 2 finals was quite a huge success. This is solely due to the company failing.
Players retiring on other hand means that A. they do not like the game. B. have some serious RL reasons to stop playing it. So far it looks like A is prevalent.
its a game they didnt choose to play,it seems reasonable they dont like it
On September 01 2013 01:17 Rescawen wrote: People should realize that this has nothing to do with the state of sc2 popularity on the contrary WCS season 2 finals was quite a huge success. This is solely due to the company failing.
Players retiring on other hand means that A. they do not like the game. B. have some serious RL reasons to stop playing it. So far it looks like A is prevalent.
Or C. There aren't enough tournaments/infrastructure to support double the amount of players than there were before the kespa switch
On September 01 2013 01:17 Rescawen wrote: People should realize that this has nothing to do with the state of sc2 popularity on the contrary WCS season 2 finals was quite a huge success. This is solely due to the company failing.
Players retiring on other hand means that A. they do not like the game. B. have some serious RL reasons to stop playing it. So far it looks like A is prevalent.
its a game they didnt choose to play,it seems reasonable they dont like it
Well, in Inno's case he did like the game (compared to BW, obv) it seems.
On September 01 2013 01:17 Rescawen wrote: People should realize that this has nothing to do with the state of sc2 popularity on the contrary WCS season 2 finals was quite a huge success. This is solely due to the company failing.
The real cataclysm here is many ex-bw players finishes paying their dues and leave sc2 altogether. I'd expect ten to fifteen, included very prolific ones
Someone send an ambulance to Bisudagger's house, fast!
1. The tweet date is the 13th 2. I want Bisu to retire
To retire from sc2 I guess, makes sense.
Edit: Tweet is from today.
AH ty, on my phone it only showed the 13. This is indeed a crazy day. But right now this isn't about me or Bisu. This really sucks for those players on STX that wanted to continue SC2 careers. But I guess this is why Mini was playing BW last night against larva.
So the jist of this article is LG-IM could join proleague in place of STX Soul and the STX team will join up with NHSH to add another team to GSTL? Sounds good to me
On September 01 2013 01:17 Rescawen wrote: People should realize that this has nothing to do with the state of sc2 popularity on the contrary WCS season 2 finals was quite a huge success. This is solely due to the company failing.
Players retiring on other hand means that A. they do not like the game. B. have some serious RL reasons to stop playing it. So far it looks like A is prevalent.
its a game they didnt choose to play,it seems reasonable they dont like it
The reasons are likely intertwined; with contracts being reworked it isn't unlikely that a lot of salaries dropped (especially for big name, relatively little result players) which makes playing the game not worth it anymore if you don't like it all that much in the first place.
I understand a lot of people are alarmed by this news, but the only surprise is probably Jangbi and maybe hyvaa if you stretch it. I expect more big names to retire very soon, and am more surprised Stork hasn't yet.
On September 01 2013 01:18 ladysman09 wrote: The easy way to get more sponsors is to recruit an LoL team. Worked for IM that's how they got LG.
This can't possibly be true. IM's LoL teams were always really bad, while their SC2 team has been consistently doing very, very well. No way they got LG because of their LoL squads who barely manage to make top 16 in OCL and never get more than groupstage exposure.
Holy crap... If i am to believe rumors SNM currently tranlates on his twitter we are going to see some serious changes on September 1st. Prepare for madness, ah, and MVP (team) fans: prepare to cry.
I find it ironic that after we were told how Kespa players would dominate once they switched most of the teams collapse and their players are retiring in hordes.
On September 01 2013 01:26 Grovbolle wrote: I find it ironic that after we were told how Kespa players would dominate once they switched most of the teams collapse and their players are retiring in hordes.
It wasn't a bad prediction tbh. Things are just working out differently
On September 01 2013 01:18 geokilla wrote: What is SSL? People keep on mentioning it.
an amateur brood war league with lots of good players. Lots of retired players are playing their. ..............
Would be sad if Bisu retires but I would love him to see play BW again. I became a fan of him along with Jaedong because their rivalry hooked me up to watch pro BW league and play it for a while. And that's the first match I saw, Jaedong won the series 3-2 by 6pool. lol
On September 01 2013 01:26 Grovbolle wrote: I find it ironic that after we were told how Kespa players would dominate once they switched most of the teams collapse and their players are retiring in hordes.
On September 01 2013 01:26 Grovbolle wrote: I find it ironic that after we were told how Kespa players would dominate once they switched most of the teams collapse and their players are retiring in hordes.
Clearly, he overestimated SC2's popularity in Korea.
So unfortunate to hear STX dropped sponsorship of Soul, hopefully they'll be able to find a new sponsor soon.
Glad to see the coaches keeping the player's best intentions in mind by opening a new team house. Let's see if their partnership with Quantic pays off.
So Stork aint retiring for sure. He must have had the obligation to carry KHAN image until someone else step up (not RorO) Everyone should follow @supernovamaniac
On September 01 2013 01:26 Grovbolle wrote: I find it ironic that after we were told how Kespa players would dominate once they switched most of the teams collapse and their players are retiring in hordes.
Clearly, he overestimated SC2's popularity in Korea.
He also overestimated how good the players would be, especially the big names.
On September 01 2013 01:34 Nuclease wrote: Actually I am not sad at all.
What a perfect time for a team to go out. Win a proleague and BAM. Done. Poetic in a way.
Hyvaa though
Supernovamaniac tweeted that he is just jobless and not retired =). If GSTL and Proleague are combined into one league, the viewer counts and Prestigious level will definitely increased, one can hope!
@supernovamaniac: MVP is going to hand over the LoL team to Khan, SC2 team is going to disband, and Prime is hoping that they'll pick up sponsor through KeSPA
I wouldn't be able to handle that T_T Holy fuck the scene is volatile in Korea.
MVP not getting their own main sponsor for both their LoL teams and SC2 is just awful. Yet another Finalist team have to disband and their members being picked up by other teams just seem wrong.
(based on if the rumors are true but honestly I take it with a fucking bathtub of salt)
Alex Kim @supernovamaniac9분 MVP is going to hand over the LoL team to Khan, SC2 team is going to disband, and Prime is hoping that they'll pick up sponsor through KeSPA
Alex Kim @supernovamaniac10분 IM Prime MVP out of eSF (ALL OF THESE ARE RUMORS BTW). IM working with KeSPA to get LG to sponsor.
I hate to see that so much people are acting like ''omg sc2 is dead or dying''.
Get a grip on yourself and be realistic.
Yes old BW players are retiring from starcraft 2, I am at least happy that they gave it a try and decided to stop. So be it. Good luck to them in the future. Starcraft 2 will continue no matter what!
On September 01 2013 01:45 ShootingQuasar wrote: Sad, Sad day for the game of Starcraft 2. Hopefully this triggers Blizzard to get their shit together and make SC2 what it should be
Yea. I feel that Kespa team will also be cutting more players. Having more than 10+ players aren't that ideal anymore sadly...
MVP is going to hand over the LoL team to Khan, SC2 team is going to disband, and Prime is hoping that they'll pick up sponsor through KeSPA
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IM Prime MVP out of eSF (ALL OF THESE ARE RUMORS BTW). IM working with KeSPA to get LG to sponsor.
Öffnen Alex Kim @supernovamaniac 7m
They're preparing for LoL finals, and upcoming SC2 Proleague maybe its last.
Öffnen Alex Kim @supernovamaniac 8m
Woongjin's still up in the air, Soul -> GSTL (confirmed), Bisu retires, KeSPA SC2 teams downsized to 5~6 people
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I'm going to translate what I just got on my personal twitter feed.
Keep in mind all of it rumors.
Well stx thingie has been a long time coming, just glad they stick around in gstl without stx (even if its just to proof that slashers yellow press style journalism was wrong afterall). Other than that this is what happens when the bw scene merges with an existing star 2 scene, there are too many teams atm and that will change, on top of that lol is really back over there so players retiring/teams disbanding is just natural, we are just downsizing to a reasonable level from just being way way oversized. Soul vs Acer should be really wierd in gstl.
On September 01 2013 01:32 Musicus wrote: Holy shit SNM's twitter. Read down to up.
Alex Kim @supernovamaniac 6m
MVP is going to hand over the LoL team to Khan, SC2 team is going to disband, and Prime is hoping that they'll pick up sponsor through KeSPA
Öffnen Alex Kim @supernovamaniac 7m
IM Prime MVP out of eSF (ALL OF THESE ARE RUMORS BTW). IM working with KeSPA to get LG to sponsor.
Öffnen Alex Kim @supernovamaniac 7m
They're preparing for LoL finals, and upcoming SC2 Proleague maybe its last.
Öffnen Alex Kim @supernovamaniac 8m
Woongjin's still up in the air, Soul -> GSTL (confirmed), Bisu retires, KeSPA SC2 teams downsized to 5~6 people
Öffnen Alex Kim @supernovamaniac 8m
I'm going to translate what I just got on my personal twitter feed.
Keep in mind all of it rumors.
Well stx thingie has been a long time coming, just glad they stick around in gstl without stx (even if its just to proof that slashers yellow press style journalism was wrong afterall). Other than that this is what happens when the bw scene merges with an existing star 2 scene, there are too many teams atm and that will change, on top of that lol is really back over there so players retiring/teams disbanding is just natural, we are just downsizing to a reasonable level from just being way way oversized. Soul vs Acer should be really wierd in gstl.
Yep after KeSPA switched, the korean sc2 scene was definitely oversaturated. Especially with OSL/GSL being combined in WCS KR. It was just a matter of time. Still crazy.
I really... REALLLYYY hate to say it... but Sc2 dying(In Korea)??
Seriously though what in the literal fuck... Kespa teams downsizing, Teams disbanding all over the place tons of players retiring etc. It looks Sc2 is hitting a pretty big rough patch in Korea right now, seems like NA and EU are still doing as they always have.
Could stuff like this close the gap between Foreigners and Koreans down the road? with the NA and EU scene doing decently and the KR scene seemingly losing support and players the game might actually become more global and end up coming out stronger overall perhaps?
Obviously all just random speculation I can't even really say the Sc2 scene in Korea is hurting at all from this as a fact, just seems that way.
On September 01 2013 01:32 ForTehDarkseid wrote: fuck This ridiculous ammount of retiring never happened in BW.
As expected in sc2, very true that this amount of retiring never happened in bw and in wc3.
It had already started in BW before the SC2 switch. MBCgame being dissolved (basically 50% of all BW broadcast ending almost overnight). Estro, Hwaseung, WeMade teams were all dissolved before the switch. The switch may have exacerbated the situation but BW was hardly in its prime when it happened.
On September 01 2013 01:45 AmuseD wrote: I hate to see that so much people are acting like ''omg sc2 is dead or dying''.
Get a grip on yourself and be realistic.
Yes old BW players are retiring from starcraft 2, I am at least happy that they gave it a try and decided to stop. So be it. Good luck to them in the future. Starcraft 2 will continue no matter what!
You don't see (or don't want to see) the big picture in the background.
On September 01 2013 01:45 AmuseD wrote: I hate to see that so much people are acting like ''omg sc2 is dead or dying''.
Get a grip on yourself and be realistic.
Yes old BW players are retiring from starcraft 2, I am at least happy that they gave it a try and decided to stop. So be it. Good luck to them in the future. Starcraft 2 will continue no matter what!
long live Warcraft III! I mean they still got a WCG spot right?
On September 01 2013 01:45 AmuseD wrote: I hate to see that so much people are acting like ''omg sc2 is dead or dying''.
Get a grip on yourself and be realistic.
Yes old BW players are retiring from starcraft 2, I am at least happy that they gave it a try and decided to stop. So be it. Good luck to them in the future. Starcraft 2 will continue no matter what!
long live Warcraft III! I mean they still got a WCG spot right?
Yupp right up there in WCG right next to mobile phone games ^^
On September 01 2013 01:45 AmuseD wrote: I hate to see that so much people are acting like ''omg sc2 is dead or dying''.
Get a grip on yourself and be realistic.
Yes old BW players are retiring from starcraft 2, I am at least happy that they gave it a try and decided to stop. So be it. Good luck to them in the future. Starcraft 2 will continue no matter what!
You don't see (or don't want to see) the big picture in the background.
What is there else to see? It already has been said that the starcraft 2 scene is over packed. Economic crisis is hitting every company. But still the starcraft 2 scene is not dying. If you can point me out what I overlooked that would be great
I really... REALLLYYY hate to say it... but Sc2 dying(In Korea)??.
Well that's kinda obvious. It's not really dying and dare I say it will never be trully dead - it will just be at the semi-pro level just like before Kespa switched - better then BW is atm with Sospa only, but much worse then LoL for example. SC2 is gonna be Special Forces to LoL's BW.
No money, no stability, no real business. Kespa tried to make business out of it, they were unable to, they have to shrink (shrink SC2, get LoL bigger). It makes sense from business perspective.
The only thing I wish for is, that Blizz will let Kespa coaches and officials talk into their design decision for multiplayer part of LotV, so they make the game better to watch together and people will decide to come back...
to be fair, is half of the Korean teams disband, and half of the Korean pros retire, SC2 would still be in good shape in Korea. There's just way too many pro teams and pros. It is not sustainable.
On September 01 2013 01:32 ForTehDarkseid wrote: fuck This ridiculous ammount of retiring never happened in BW.
As expected in sc2, very true that this amount of retiring never happened in bw and in wc3.
It had already started in BW before the SC2 switch. MBCgame being dissolved (basically 50% of all BW broadcast ending almost overnight). Estro, Hwaseung, WeMade teams were all dissolved before the switch. The switch may have exacerbated the situation but BW was hardly in its prime when it happened.
ESTO + Hite = dead because of matchfixing
MBCGame = killed by Blizzard's lawsuit
WeMadeFox = personal financial problems as they got rid of their WC3 team + Counter Strike one
On September 01 2013 01:32 ForTehDarkseid wrote: fuck This ridiculous ammount of retiring never happened in BW.
As expected in sc2, very true that this amount of retiring never happened in bw and in wc3.
In War3, Korea hit a tough spot with the map scandal. There were a few good players retiring around then, but after that if I recall correctly the Korean scene was basically a bunch of Koreans on foreign teams due to War3's popularity abroad. If all of this continues this way in SC2 all the way down the line I could see something similar happening.
On September 01 2013 01:45 AmuseD wrote: I hate to see that so much people are acting like ''omg sc2 is dead or dying''.
Get a grip on yourself and be realistic.
Yes old BW players are retiring from starcraft 2, I am at least happy that they gave it a try and decided to stop. So be it. Good luck to them in the future. Starcraft 2 will continue no matter what!
You don't see (or don't want to see) the big picture in the background.
And you misinterpretate it. Will it get as back as bw in 06/07 ? Nope, but lol may not either, hell even bw was somewhat far away from that towards the end. BW scene already shrank to 7 teams + 8th team and lost mbc, what made anyone think star 2 could support 7 kespa teams + 6 esf teams + foreign teams? This was going to happen no matter what and it really shouldn't be such a big shock.
On September 01 2013 01:44 lichter wrote: I wonder how Blizz will react to this lol
They cry every night for the mistake of handling Korean sc2 to GOM And Im blaming Blizzard for everything
Why is that so bad? Kespa was still going on with BroodWar. Other solutions then just throwing it as a ''mistake of blizzard''?
Because they had a feud with KeSPA which eventually resulted in exclusive sc2 right handled to GOM GOM couldnt do shit because sc2 wasnt on TV OGN processed to find another flagship program to replace BW The rest is history
On September 01 2013 01:55 revel8 wrote: Apollo tweeted yesterday that the Korean SC2 scene was crumbling. I wasn't sure what he meant. I guess he was referring to all these developments.
Sad to see the Korean scene crumbling.. Little expected though, its oversaturated for its eco system, will thin out but won't die
Yeah, Apollo is totally right with this. SC2 build up a scene that could support a certain amount of progamers economically. Than Kespa switched over, bringing more players in than viewers. Not all of the current Korean players can have enough exposure and now the amount of players has to shrink a little.
On September 01 2013 01:45 AmuseD wrote: I hate to see that so much people are acting like ''omg sc2 is dead or dying''.
Get a grip on yourself and be realistic.
Yes old BW players are retiring from starcraft 2, I am at least happy that they gave it a try and decided to stop. So be it. Good luck to them in the future. Starcraft 2 will continue no matter what!
long live Warcraft III! I mean they still got a WCG spot right?
Yes, final time this year I am sure Blizz want kill wc3, as they did in scbw. probably because wcg is in china this year they got final time.
On September 01 2013 01:45 AmuseD wrote: I hate to see that so much people are acting like ''omg sc2 is dead or dying''.
Get a grip on yourself and be realistic.
Yes old BW players are retiring from starcraft 2, I am at least happy that they gave it a try and decided to stop. So be it. Good luck to them in the future. Starcraft 2 will continue no matter what!
You don't see (or don't want to see) the big picture in the background.
What is there else to see? It already has been said that the starcraft 2 scene is over packed. Economic crisis is hitting every company. But still the starcraft 2 scene is not dying. If you can point me out what I overlooked that would be great
ESports aren't running on a money, they are running on a passion. I remember almost everybody, who was in love with BW, hated LoL (we had good reasons then) when OGN just started promoting it. Today I watched the finals and it became transparent to me, no matter what I (or anyone else) think about the game or Riot's policy, Koreans like it, they feel passionate about it, they are proud of it. And it's a joy to be spectator of.
Dear and Trap should find a team no problem. But its ridiculous from STX because they just won the ProLeague and their CEO said they would continue to support them.
On September 01 2013 02:02 Amaril wrote: Dear and Trap should find a team no problem. But its ridiculous from STX because they just won the ProLeague and their CEO said they would continue to support them.
well CEO wanted to, their creditors didn't. That's the world of business when your company is 9 billion USD in debt...
On September 01 2013 01:44 lichter wrote: I wonder how Blizz will react to this lol
They cry every night for the mistake of handling Korean sc2 to GOM And Im blaming Blizzard for everything
Why is that so bad? Kespa was still going on with BroodWar. Other solutions then just throwing it as a ''mistake of blizzard''?
Because they had a feud with KeSPA which eventually resulted in exclusive sc2 right handled to GOM GOM couldnt do shit because sc2 wasnt on TV OGN processed to find another flagship program to replace BW The rest is history
I doubt people will appreciate this kind of talk, but it really should be considered that not having SC2 on TV with Kespa/OGN backing hurt it a lot in the local market.
On September 01 2013 01:45 AmuseD wrote: I hate to see that so much people are acting like ''omg sc2 is dead or dying''.
Get a grip on yourself and be realistic.
Yes old BW players are retiring from starcraft 2, I am at least happy that they gave it a try and decided to stop. So be it. Good luck to them in the future. Starcraft 2 will continue no matter what!
You don't see (or don't want to see) the big picture in the background.
What is there else to see? It already has been said that the starcraft 2 scene is over packed. Economic crisis is hitting every company. But still the starcraft 2 scene is not dying. If you can point me out what I overlooked that would be great
ESports aren't running on a money, they are running on a passion.
From company perspective yes maybe. definitely not from players perspective. Many players (formerly wc3/scbw) dont like to play sc2, but they very like to attend tournaments (best example: idra). scbw and wc3 were/are vrey different to sc2.
On September 01 2013 01:45 AmuseD wrote: I hate to see that so much people are acting like ''omg sc2 is dead or dying''.
Get a grip on yourself and be realistic.
Yes old BW players are retiring from starcraft 2, I am at least happy that they gave it a try and decided to stop. So be it. Good luck to them in the future. Starcraft 2 will continue no matter what!
You don't see (or don't want to see) the big picture in the background.
What is there else to see? It already has been said that the starcraft 2 scene is over packed. Economic crisis is hitting every company. But still the starcraft 2 scene is not dying. If you can point me out what I overlooked that would be great
ESports aren't running on a money, they are running on a passion.
I can shake your hand on that ofcourse. But doing something for A LIVING, then pasion won't feed and pay bills for you. I was talking in an economical perspective
On September 01 2013 02:10 lichter wrote: I think people are forgetting that the Korean scene basically doubled in size when Kespa switched without a proportional increase in interest.
Basically it will be back to pre-KespaSC2 days, maybe slightly better.
I'm fine with that.
Me too, but I hope MVP doesn't have to be a victim of that switch.
On September 01 2013 02:11 Spec wrote: Damn the creditors.
Better email the sponsors.
This is really sad. I'm going to miss STX. But really, what was a shipping giant doing in E-Sports? Very odd place to advertise, unless BW was really huge in Korea and the shipping barons there watch E-Sports.
On September 01 2013 01:45 AmuseD wrote: I hate to see that so much people are acting like ''omg sc2 is dead or dying''.
Get a grip on yourself and be realistic.
Yes old BW players are retiring from starcraft 2, I am at least happy that they gave it a try and decided to stop. So be it. Good luck to them in the future. Starcraft 2 will continue no matter what!
long live Warcraft III! I mean they still got a WCG spot right?
Yes, final time this year I am sure Blizz want kill wc3, as they did in scbw. probably because wcg is in china this year they got final time.
Didn't they say 2 years ago was their final wc3 year? They keep caving
On September 01 2013 01:45 AmuseD wrote: I hate to see that so much people are acting like ''omg sc2 is dead or dying''.
Get a grip on yourself and be realistic.
Yes old BW players are retiring from starcraft 2, I am at least happy that they gave it a try and decided to stop. So be it. Good luck to them in the future. Starcraft 2 will continue no matter what!
You don't see (or don't want to see) the big picture in the background.
What is there else to see? It already has been said that the starcraft 2 scene is over packed. Economic crisis is hitting every company. But still the starcraft 2 scene is not dying. If you can point me out what I overlooked that would be great
ESports aren't running on a money, they are running on a passion.
I can shake your hand on that ofcourse. But doing something for A LIVING, then pasion won't feed and pay bills for you. I was talking in an economical perspective
Do you think Mini or Movie, for example, were earning more when they were playing BW? I honestly doubt it was the deciding factor.
On September 01 2013 01:45 AmuseD wrote: I hate to see that so much people are acting like ''omg sc2 is dead or dying''.
Get a grip on yourself and be realistic.
Yes old BW players are retiring from starcraft 2, I am at least happy that they gave it a try and decided to stop. So be it. Good luck to them in the future. Starcraft 2 will continue no matter what!
You don't see (or don't want to see) the big picture in the background.
What is there else to see? It already has been said that the starcraft 2 scene is over packed. Economic crisis is hitting every company. But still the starcraft 2 scene is not dying. If you can point me out what I overlooked that would be great
ESports aren't running on a money, they are running on a passion.
I can shake your hand on that ofcourse. But doing something for A LIVING, then pasion won't feed and pay bills for you. I was talking in an economical perspective
Do you think Mini or hyvva were earning more when they were playing BW? I honestly doubt it.
Do you know what passion means? I honestly doubt it.
It sucks, but it's just the natural conclusion to the oversaturation. When Kespa switched, the amount of teams and player in Korea more than doubled - the ecosystem couldn't keep up. When this purge is done, things will be alive and well, but severely thinned out.
On September 01 2013 02:15 lichter wrote: If Blizz makes SC2 f2p and it takes off in China you're all gonna have to start learning Mandarin hahaha
Wc3 was free to play too and aside from 3, 4 top players/abusers, China only semi-dominated when no one plays the game anymore. You need platform & infrastructure to reach the top in gaming and every country included China are light years behind Korea for this matter
On September 01 2013 02:15 lichter wrote: If Blizz makes SC2 f2p and it takes off in China you're all gonna have to start learning Mandarin hahaha
Wc3 was free to play too and aside from 3, 4 top players/abusers, China only semi-dominated when no one plays the game anymore. You need platform & infrastructure to reach the top in gaming and every country included China are light years behind Korea for this matter
Human hater. Whining about abuse when Korea has Lyn.
On September 01 2013 02:15 lichter wrote: If Blizz makes SC2 f2p and it takes off in China you're all gonna have to start learning Mandarin hahaha
Wc3 was free to play too and aside from 3, 4 top players/abusers, China only semi-dominated when no one plays the game anymore. You need platform & infrastructure to reach the top in gaming and every country included China are light years behind Korea for this matter
Human hater. Whining about abuse when Korea has Lyn.
Lyn had been winning uncountable inCups and performing well in WC3L long before the Blademaster disease
On September 01 2013 00:30 eNtitY~ wrote: I thought they said at the end of SPL that the team was not in trouble?
Things change. It's not like a lot of people didn't see it coming because they did even if STX Soul said that they would continue for another PL at the end of the final. Things like this are usually the first thing to be cut off.
On September 01 2013 01:45 AmuseD wrote: I hate to see that so much people are acting like ''omg sc2 is dead or dying''.
Get a grip on yourself and be realistic.
Yes old BW players are retiring from starcraft 2, I am at least happy that they gave it a try and decided to stop. So be it. Good luck to them in the future. Starcraft 2 will continue no matter what!
You don't see (or don't want to see) the big picture in the background.
What is there else to see? It already has been said that the starcraft 2 scene is over packed. Economic crisis is hitting every company. But still the starcraft 2 scene is not dying. If you can point me out what I overlooked that would be great
ESports aren't running on a money, they are running on a passion.
I can shake your hand on that ofcourse. But doing something for A LIVING, then pasion won't feed and pay bills for you. I was talking in an economical perspective
Do you think Mini or hyvva were earning more when they were playing BW? I honestly doubt it.
Do you know what passion means? I honestly doubt it.
Your point is? People shouldn't get me wrong, I am not here about to argue about SC2's future. I am here because you can't say "everything is well", when it clearly bleeds and hurts people we love and respect.
On September 01 2013 00:36 monk wrote: According to the reddit thread, Mini has retired as well.
That's a shame. Like I said in the other thread, these players should have no problems finding teams. Whether it be KeSPA or not. It's up to them if they want to continue playing.
While this is bad news overall, I gained a lot of respect for the coaches for pulling such a bold maneuver as joining another team league with a decapitated lineup. If they win GSTL, maybe they'll attract sponsors again.
But they won't win GSTL because Axiom-Acer is going to win :p
On September 01 2013 01:45 AmuseD wrote: I hate to see that so much people are acting like ''omg sc2 is dead or dying''.
Get a grip on yourself and be realistic.
Yes old BW players are retiring from starcraft 2, I am at least happy that they gave it a try and decided to stop. So be it. Good luck to them in the future. Starcraft 2 will continue no matter what!
You don't see (or don't want to see) the big picture in the background.
What is there else to see? It already has been said that the starcraft 2 scene is over packed. Economic crisis is hitting every company. But still the starcraft 2 scene is not dying. If you can point me out what I overlooked that would be great
The worst of the economic crisis happened in 2008-2009. It's 2013. BW was still strong during the recession. What's happening to SC2 right now has nothing to do with the economy and more to do with a competitor (LoL) kicking its ass. See Yahoo vs Google and Blackberry vs Apple.
A dark day for SC2 and the RTS genre in general, though somewhat expected. Strategy games are just not the flavor of the recent years
No one could hope that 16+ professional Korean teams could stay afloat, not even BW in its heyday could support that, so some consolidation is in order (I expect more to come, alas - should be ~8 professional teams after all has been said and done, more or less). Here's hoping the Korean SC2 scene stabilizes on that level and that the next PL won't be the last (a merger with GSTL would be fine though).
On September 01 2013 00:36 monk wrote: According to the reddit thread, Mini has retired as well.
That's a shame. Like I said in the other thread, these players should have no problems finding teams. Whether it be KeSPA or not. It's up to them if they want to continue playing.
Not when teams are now cutting down to 5-6 players per team.
I heard GSTL season2 begins September 3rd but no information comes out. If MVP Prime IM leaves eSF,GSTL is played only by FXO Startale Soul Axiom-Acer AZUBU?
On September 01 2013 00:36 monk wrote: According to the reddit thread, Mini has retired as well.
That's a shame. Like I said in the other thread, these players should have no problems finding teams. Whether it be KeSPA or not. It's up to them if they want to continue playing.
Not when teams are now cutting down to 5-6 players per team.
Because the lack of popularity level generated from the game.
On September 01 2013 02:15 lichter wrote: If Blizz makes SC2 f2p and it takes off in China you're all gonna have to start learning Mandarin hahaha
Wc3 was free to play too and aside from 3, 4 top players/abusers, China only semi-dominated when no one plays the game anymore. You need platform & infrastructure to reach the top in gaming and every country included China are light years behind Korea for this matter
Human hater. Whining about abuse when Korea has Lyn.
Lyn had been winning uncountable inCups and performing well in WC3L long before the Blademaster disease
Lol, Lyn is my second favorite player and probably the most talented War3 player in terms of raw skill, but he is flat out also one of the most abusive BM users in the history of the game.
On September 01 2013 01:45 AmuseD wrote: I hate to see that so much people are acting like ''omg sc2 is dead or dying''.
Get a grip on yourself and be realistic.
Yes old BW players are retiring from starcraft 2, I am at least happy that they gave it a try and decided to stop. So be it. Good luck to them in the future. Starcraft 2 will continue no matter what!
You don't see (or don't want to see) the big picture in the background.
What is there else to see? It already has been said that the starcraft 2 scene is over packed. Economic crisis is hitting every company. But still the starcraft 2 scene is not dying. If you can point me out what I overlooked that would be great
ESports aren't running on a money, they are running on a passion.
I can shake your hand on that ofcourse. But doing something for A LIVING, then pasion won't feed and pay bills for you. I was talking in an economical perspective
Do you think Mini or hyvva were earning more when they were playing BW? I honestly doubt it.
Do you know what passion means? I honestly doubt it.
Your point is? People shouldn't get me wrong, I am not here about to argue about SC2's future. I am here because you can't say "everything is well", when it clearly bleeds and hurts people we love and respect.
You are right. Main problem in sc2 is cleary the (longtime-)passion (the same as in diablo3). If you have passion, then you dont care so much about money or even you dont want money. But if you dont have passion, then you only play if you get paid for it or you quit it. First happened in scbw and wc3 time, the latter in sc2. I follow esports since 2004 and my impressions says exactly so if I look the players. edit: the same with the audience, the passion from the sc2 audience so much lesser than in scbw/wc3, in all countries around the world (except sweden and france).
I read "Hwangsin" as "Hwasin". Was excited for a moment. They would have a great chance in GSTL if they still had Innovation, but now I'm not sure if Trap and Dear can carry it.
On September 01 2013 01:45 AmuseD wrote: I hate to see that so much people are acting like ''omg sc2 is dead or dying''.
Get a grip on yourself and be realistic.
Yes old BW players are retiring from starcraft 2, I am at least happy that they gave it a try and decided to stop. So be it. Good luck to them in the future. Starcraft 2 will continue no matter what!
You don't see (or don't want to see) the big picture in the background.
What is there else to see? It already has been said that the starcraft 2 scene is over packed. Economic crisis is hitting every company. But still the starcraft 2 scene is not dying. If you can point me out what I overlooked that would be great
ESports aren't running on a money, they are running on a passion.
I can shake your hand on that ofcourse. But doing something for A LIVING, then pasion won't feed and pay bills for you. I was talking in an economical perspective
Do you think Mini or Movie, for example, were earning more when they were playing BW? I honestly doubt it was the deciding factor.
I didn't said it has to be the deciding factor Just getting paid so you can just relax and enjoy a normal life with a passion for BW? And since you stay on that passion factor. Again : ONLY PASSION doesn't bring the food to the table
On September 01 2013 01:45 AmuseD wrote: I hate to see that so much people are acting like ''omg sc2 is dead or dying''.
Get a grip on yourself and be realistic.
Yes old BW players are retiring from starcraft 2, I am at least happy that they gave it a try and decided to stop. So be it. Good luck to them in the future. Starcraft 2 will continue no matter what!
You don't see (or don't want to see) the big picture in the background.
What is there else to see? It already has been said that the starcraft 2 scene is over packed. Economic crisis is hitting every company. But still the starcraft 2 scene is not dying. If you can point me out what I overlooked that would be great
ESports aren't running on a money, they are running on a passion.
I can shake your hand on that ofcourse. But doing something for A LIVING, then pasion won't feed and pay bills for you. I was talking in an economical perspective
Do you think Mini or Movie, for example, were earning more when they were playing BW? I honestly doubt it was the deciding factor.
I didn't said it has to be the deciding factor Just getting paid so you can just relax and enjoy a normal life with a passion for BW? And since you stay on that passion factor. Again : ONLY PASSION doesn't bring the food to the table
Plus, Mini might become somewhat a contender in SOSPA sanctioned league like Movie. You guys know that Movie is making a fortune streaming BW on Afreeca with donations flowing and ads revenues PLUS movie earned from leagues and such. All in all, Movie is DEFINITELY not starving and found a viable "career path" by continuing with the game he fell in love with. Win-win.
On September 01 2013 00:51 herMan wrote: It is only natural that many teams are folding as the interest for sc2 is nowhere near the peak it was in the brood war days. This and a huge influx of players and teams entering into an already established scene.
This is indeed sad. And even worse - it would appear that the current state of SC2 has also harmed orther parts of Korea. SC2 is not only killing eSports but also Korean soccer and Korean corporations. GJ Blizzard, thanks for killing Korea.
On September 01 2013 00:51 herMan wrote: It is only natural that many teams are folding as the interest for sc2 is nowhere near the peak it was in the brood war days. This and a huge influx of players and teams entering into an already established scene.
Except that has nothing to do with why STX disbanded. Their long time sponsor pulled out for reasons having nothing to do with SC2. People really need to stop throwing this around.
On September 01 2013 00:51 herMan wrote: It is only natural that many teams are folding as the interest for sc2 is nowhere near the peak it was in the brood war days. This and a huge influx of players and teams entering into an already established scene.
Except that has nothing to do with why STX disbanded. Their long time sponsor pulled out for reasons having nothing to do with SC2. People really need to stop throwing this around.
i'd say to expect more player cuts from teams regardless of kespa or esf to accomodate LoL players.
On September 01 2013 00:51 herMan wrote: It is only natural that many teams are folding as the interest for sc2 is nowhere near the peak it was in the brood war days. This and a huge influx of players and teams entering into an already established scene.
Except that has nothing to do with why STX disbanded. Their long time sponsor pulled out for reasons having nothing to do with SC2. People really need to stop throwing this around.
i'd say to expect more player cuts from teams regardless of kespa or esf to accomodate LoL players.
And i'd say that STX disbanding would be entirely unrelated to any of those events.
I think what most people are overlooking, is that STX SouL is NOT disbanding. They lost their sponsor, and a few of their players are moving on to other teams, or retiring, but you will see SouL participating in the next GSTL next week! with New Star HoSeo players! AND with Quantic's Koreans!
Now who am I supposed to root for in pro league? This sucks. I really hope those other players find teams. I really like dear and hyvaa. I hope they find teams and hyvaa doesn't retire.
The only team left that I want to cheer for is Samsung Khan. This is gonna be a disappointing season Gogo Khan.....I guess......
On September 01 2013 00:51 herMan wrote: It is only natural that many teams are folding as the interest for sc2 is nowhere near the peak it was in the brood war days. This and a huge influx of players and teams entering into an already established scene.
Except that has nothing to do with why STX disbanded. Their long time sponsor pulled out for reasons having nothing to do with SC2. People really need to stop throwing this around.
i'd say to expect more player cuts from teams regardless of kespa or esf to accomodate LoL players.
And i'd say that STX disbanding would be entirely unrelated to any of those events.
This is just another step in the decline of SC2. You see players retiring, teams disbanding, viewer numbers decline rapidly. I have been a SC2 fan since the release and i must simply say that SC2 has lost its atractivity in any way for me nowadays. And news like this prove that the majority of the players/pro players/viewers see it the same way.
I am bored of seeing Deathball vs. Deathball, and often you can see that a game is lost/won in the beginning phase, with a 10-20 min death animation. I dont care anymore.
And Blizzard has proven again and again that they are out of touch with the e-sports scene and that they simply dont care. See it this way: They sell a game 2-3 million times, earn 50-60 million dollars. The whole e-sport scene in three years hasnt generated any money for them, quite the opposite. So why should they care?
I stop watching streams, stopped watching gsl and any streamers. Its sad, but its true. SC2 has reached its peak a year ago, and now it trending downwards rapidly.
On September 01 2013 04:13 Slanina wrote: This is just another step in the decline of SC2. You see players retiring, teams disbanding, viewer numbers decline rapidly. I have been a SC2 fan since the release and i must simply say that SC2 has lost its atractivity in any way for me nowadays. And news like this prove that the majority of the players/pro players/viewers see it the same way.
I am bored of seeing Deathball vs. Deathball, and often you can see that a game is lost/won in the beginning phase, with a 10-20 min death animation. I dont care anymore.
And Blizzard has proven again and again that they are out of touch with the e-sports scene and that they simply dont care. See it this way: They sell a game 2-3 million times, earn 50-60 million dollars. The whole e-sport scene in three years hasnt generated any money for them, quite the opposite. So why should they care?
I stop watching streams, stopped watching gsl and any streamers. Its sad, but its true. SC2 has reached its peak a year ago, and now it trending downwards rapidly.
See ya and don't let the door hit you on the way out. We don't need the doom harbingers in the sc2 community. All they do is bring negative energy to the scene.
I am surprised only Classic got picked up by another team ... I guess this might show that the other teams are also either 1) in trouble 2) investing less in SC2. If I had to guess I would go with the latter. Hopefully the players who want to continue playing find new teams soon :/
Also GL to the players in GSTL and amazing to see the two coaches show that kind of support to there former players.
I'm nowhere near STX Soul's biggest fan and I think this is a sad way for the team to go. Good luck to all players on and off the team, even the ones who retired.
On September 01 2013 04:13 Slanina wrote: This is just another step in the decline of SC2. You see players retiring, teams disbanding, viewer numbers decline rapidly. I have been a SC2 fan since the release and i must simply say that SC2 has lost its atractivity in any way for me nowadays. And news like this prove that the majority of the players/pro players/viewers see it the same way.
What did the scene lose than made it boring to watch? Because personally i think that SC2 is far better than it used to be. Also, eSport is the not center of the universe. A large company can get in financial problems regardless of the SC2 scene. Incredible - i know.
On September 01 2013 04:13 Slanina wrote: This is just another step in the decline of SC2. You see players retiring, teams disbanding, viewer numbers decline rapidly. I have been a SC2 fan since the release and i must simply say that SC2 has lost its atractivity in any way for me nowadays. And news like this prove that the majority of the players/pro players/viewers see it the same way.
I am bored of seeing Deathball vs. Deathball, and often you can see that a game is lost/won in the beginning phase, with a 10-20 min death animation. I dont care anymore.
And Blizzard has proven again and again that they are out of touch with the e-sports scene and that they simply dont care. See it this way: They sell a game 2-3 million times, earn 50-60 million dollars. The whole e-sport scene in three years hasnt generated any money for them, quite the opposite. So why should they care?
I stop watching streams, stopped watching gsl and any streamers. Its sad, but its true. SC2 has reached its peak a year ago, and now it trending downwards rapidly.
Jezus, you're a real idiot. I'm pretty sure that a company that is about to bankrupt is not very keen on sponsoring any-fucking-thing. Maby some day you will have something better to do in your life than commenting on a game you don't even care about.
On September 01 2013 04:01 _BAR_ wrote: Now who am I supposed to root for in pro league? This sucks. I really hope those other players find teams. I really like dear and hyvaa. I hope they find teams and hyvaa doesn't retire.
The only team left that I want to cheer for is Samsung Khan. This is gonna be a disappointing season Gogo Khan.....I guess......
I'm in the same boat (no pun intended) but with Jangi retiring it takes some wind out of the Khan sails as well (pun intended).
Hey wait , so let me get this straight, KeSPA is reduing the number of allowable players in a team's SC2 roster to accomodate more League of Legends players?
Dont teams liek KT Rolster ans SK Telecom T1 already have more than one LoL team?
Back to studying and give up the grandmaster dream I guess :'(
On September 01 2013 04:13 Slanina wrote: This is just another step in the decline of SC2. You see players retiring, teams disbanding, viewer numbers decline rapidly. I have been a SC2 fan since the release and i must simply say that SC2 has lost its atractivity in any way for me nowadays. And news like this prove that the majority of the players/pro players/viewers see it the same way.
I am bored of seeing Deathball vs. Deathball, and often you can see that a game is lost/won in the beginning phase, with a 10-20 min death animation. I dont care anymore.
And Blizzard has proven again and again that they are out of touch with the e-sports scene and that they simply dont care. See it this way: They sell a game 2-3 million times, earn 50-60 million dollars. The whole e-sport scene in three years hasnt generated any money for them, quite the opposite. So why should they care?
I stop watching streams, stopped watching gsl and any streamers. Its sad, but its true. SC2 has reached its peak a year ago, and now it trending downwards rapidly.
The UI observer changes + the spawning option + replays of wcs released, all of them have been good changes.
off course, they were too late to make a difference.
On September 01 2013 04:13 Slanina wrote: This is just another step in the decline of SC2. You see players retiring, teams disbanding, viewer numbers decline rapidly. I have been a SC2 fan since the release and i must simply say that SC2 has lost its atractivity in any way for me nowadays. And news like this prove that the majority of the players/pro players/viewers see it the same way.
I am bored of seeing Deathball vs. Deathball, and often you can see that a game is lost/won in the beginning phase, with a 10-20 min death animation. I dont care anymore.
And Blizzard has proven again and again that they are out of touch with the e-sports scene and that they simply dont care. See it this way: They sell a game 2-3 million times, earn 50-60 million dollars. The whole e-sport scene in three years hasnt generated any money for them, quite the opposite. So why should they care?
I stop watching streams, stopped watching gsl and any streamers. Its sad, but its true. SC2 has reached its peak a year ago, and now it trending downwards rapidly.
See ya and don't let the door hit you on the way out. We don't need the doom harbingers in the sc2 community. All they do is bring negative energy to the scene.
Seriously. We all knew that SC2 was going to do some shrinking as competition between rival e-sports, but it doesn't make it any less painful to watch very skilled players retire and drop out as their teams fall apart. It's a rough enough couple weeks with big news of retirements and teams falling apart, we don't need it to be any worse with an onslaught of people running around rubbing everyone's noses in it. SC2 is far from dying, but is still going through a really tough time of pruning.
Even though I quit SC2 and switched to LoL a month ago, things like this make me pretty sad. SC2 has been a huge part of my life for the past 3 years, and now players are retiring and teams are collapsing every week.
On September 01 2013 04:01 _BAR_ wrote: Now who am I supposed to root for in pro league? This sucks. I really hope those other players find teams. I really like dear and hyvaa. I hope they find teams and hyvaa doesn't retire.
The only team left that I want to cheer for is Samsung Khan. This is gonna be a disappointing season Gogo Khan.....I guess......
I'm in the same boat (no pun intended) but with Jangi retiring it takes some wind out of the Khan sails as well (pun intended).
Yeah, I am also wondering who I'll be cheering for. With JangBi gone, I don't think I can have as much passion for Stork (with how he is playing nowadays..) and Reality like before. I am thinking about CJ though.
On September 01 2013 04:13 Slanina wrote: This is just another step in the decline of SC2. You see players retiring, teams disbanding, viewer numbers decline rapidly. I have been a SC2 fan since the release and i must simply say that SC2 has lost its atractivity in any way for me nowadays. And news like this prove that the majority of the players/pro players/viewers see it the same way.
I am bored of seeing Deathball vs. Deathball, and often you can see that a game is lost/won in the beginning phase, with a 10-20 min death animation. I dont care anymore.
And Blizzard has proven again and again that they are out of touch with the e-sports scene and that they simply dont care. See it this way: They sell a game 2-3 million times, earn 50-60 million dollars. The whole e-sport scene in three years hasnt generated any money for them, quite the opposite. So why should they care?
I stop watching streams, stopped watching gsl and any streamers. Its sad, but its true. SC2 has reached its peak a year ago, and now it trending downwards rapidly.
See ya and don't let the door hit you on the way out. We don't need the doom harbingers in the sc2 community. All they do is bring negative energy to the scene.
Seriously. We all knew that SC2 was going to do some shrinking as competition between rival e-sports, but it doesn't make it any less painful to watch very skilled players retire and drop out as their teams fall apart. It's a rough enough couple weeks with big news of retirements and teams falling apart, we don't need it to be any worse with an onslaught of people running around rubbing everyone's noses in it. SC2 is far from dying, but is still going through a really tough time of pruning.
True true. But it's not only the competition from titles such as Dota 2 and LoL. It is also the fact that the pre-Kespa SC2 scene already was saturated. Then Kespa players switched over from BW and people expect that the scene can suddenly accommodate almost 100 new players. It was a bubble that was doomed to burst, and now we have to clean up the mess. It is not so much that the scene is dying, but more the fact that there is too many teams and too many players.
On September 01 2013 05:30 Dragoonstorm7 wrote: Why would only Classic be signed in the auction? Dear, hyvaa, and Trap are the Code S players. o.O
The other teams don't want more players, they're all downsizing the sc2 teams.
Yes, but more specifically I was wondering why, of all the players, Classic was the one to get signed. If SKT T1 had the money to pick up just 1 player, wouldnt they have picked up one of the Code S ones?
On September 01 2013 05:30 Dragoonstorm7 wrote: Why would only Classic be signed in the auction? Dear, hyvaa, and Trap are the Code S players. o.O
The other teams don't want more players, they're all downsizing the sc2 teams.
Yes, but more specifically I was wondering why, of all the players, Classic was the one to get signed. If SKT T1 had the money to pick up just 1 player, wouldnt they have picked up one of the Code S ones?
Classic performed very very well in Proleague in the second half after he switched to Protoss, Boxer might value him higher than the other players and if he was asking for less money I guess It's an easy choice.
On September 01 2013 05:30 Dragoonstorm7 wrote: Why would only Classic be signed in the auction? Dear, hyvaa, and Trap are the Code S players. o.O
Every kespa team is doing to downsize to 5-6 players and not take anymore. The korean scene is going to get a lot smaller. Koreans that are left in limbo will either retire or go back to BW.
On September 01 2013 05:30 Dragoonstorm7 wrote: Why would only Classic be signed in the auction? Dear, hyvaa, and Trap are the Code S players. o.O
The other teams don't want more players, they're all downsizing the sc2 teams.
Yes, but more specifically I was wondering why, of all the players, Classic was the one to get signed. If SKT T1 had the money to pick up just 1 player, wouldnt they have picked up one of the Code S ones?
Classic performed very very well in Proleague in the second half after he switched to Protoss, Boxer might value him higher than the other players and if he was asking for less money I guess It's an easy choice.
(just speculation by me)
Ah ok thank you. I did look up his PL stats and wow you're right on. I really didnt realize he was doing that good. Thank you for response
On September 01 2013 04:13 Slanina wrote: This is just another step in the decline of SC2. You see players retiring, teams disbanding, viewer numbers decline rapidly. I have been a SC2 fan since the release and i must simply say that SC2 has lost its atractivity in any way for me nowadays. And news like this prove that the majority of the players/pro players/viewers see it the same way.
I am bored of seeing Deathball vs. Deathball, and often you can see that a game is lost/won in the beginning phase, with a 10-20 min death animation. I dont care anymore.
And Blizzard has proven again and again that they are out of touch with the e-sports scene and that they simply dont care. See it this way: They sell a game 2-3 million times, earn 50-60 million dollars. The whole e-sport scene in three years hasnt generated any money for them, quite the opposite. So why should they care?
I stop watching streams, stopped watching gsl and any streamers. Its sad, but its true. SC2 has reached its peak a year ago, and now it trending downwards rapidly.
Go back to elementary school, learn to read again and see why they disbanded.
Not really a surprise considering all the rumors and whatnot lately (I mean, it was pretty much confirmed already, just not official), but that doesn't make it suck any less.
On September 01 2013 04:13 Slanina wrote: This is just another step in the decline of SC2. You see players retiring, teams disbanding, viewer numbers decline rapidly. I have been a SC2 fan since the release and i must simply say that SC2 has lost its atractivity in any way for me nowadays. And news like this prove that the majority of the players/pro players/viewers see it the same way.
I am bored of seeing Deathball vs. Deathball, and often you can see that a game is lost/won in the beginning phase, with a 10-20 min death animation. I dont care anymore.
And Blizzard has proven again and again that they are out of touch with the e-sports scene and that they simply dont care. See it this way: They sell a game 2-3 million times, earn 50-60 million dollars. The whole e-sport scene in three years hasnt generated any money for them, quite the opposite. So why should they care?
I stop watching streams, stopped watching gsl and any streamers. Its sad, but its true. SC2 has reached its peak a year ago, and now it trending downwards rapidly.
See ya and don't let the door hit you on the way out. We don't need the doom harbingers in the sc2 community. All they do is bring negative energy to the scene.
Seriously. We all knew that SC2 was going to do some shrinking as competition between rival e-sports, but it doesn't make it any less painful to watch very skilled players retire and drop out as their teams fall apart. It's a rough enough couple weeks with big news of retirements and teams falling apart, we don't need it to be any worse with an onslaught of people running around rubbing everyone's noses in it. SC2 is far from dying, but is still going through a really tough time of pruning.
True true. But it's not only the competition from titles such as Dota 2 and LoL. It is also the fact that the pre-Kespa SC2 scene already was saturated. Then Kespa players switched over from BW and people expect that the scene can suddenly accommodate almost 100 new players. It was a bubble that was doomed to burst, and now we have to clean up the mess. It is not so much that the scene is dying, but more the fact that there is too many teams and too many players.
it was fun while it lasted, though! the current scene just wouldn't have been the same without Kespa. i'm glad that a lot of new players come in and showed us some fun games and i hope that they find a way to stick around. players like soulkey, dear, sos, fantasy, jaedong, and lots of other strong contenders are really what keeps this scene from becoming too stagnant for me.
On September 01 2013 00:42 KaiserKieran wrote: WTF they won Proleague how can this happen? And Mini retiring sucks. I was hoping he would make a big splash in sc2.
stx is broke, so it was expected, no matter if you win, if your team has no money left
On September 01 2013 08:50 RouaF wrote: Why would you recruit classic instead of dear or trap ?
Maybe Classic is better and we just don't know it yet? o.o
Classic probably just cost less because he has fewer individual results. Same thing happened with ForGG/TheStC/Supernova when oGs disbanded. Supernova was the best of the three and while the other two quickly joined foreign teams, Supernova held out for a better offer.
At least they went out on a high, sad news but expected with the Korean scene being way over saturated with Kespa joining + when you main sponsor files for bankruptcy that is never good.
On September 01 2013 00:58 juvenal wrote: Tossgirl crying, Calm crying - had to be something more than just victory feelings.
Is there a video of them celebrating?
there seem to be no free vods with the ceremony
Tossgirl was there too ! ? But yeah, sad to see STX Soul mostly gone. At least the team's still around but they lost a ton of players and their sponsor .
While we all saw this coming a mile away, when the dust finally settles its still a really sad development. Hopefully once things stabilize more and all the team shuffles end, everyone joins KeSPA etc, then the players will have a more stable home.
Seems to be something like a trend latly. Many peopple are starting to look for something else. Weird things is, i dont remmber this happening so much in the BW profesional scene.
On September 02 2013 23:24 iloveav wrote: Seems to be something like a trend latly. Many peopple are starting to look for something else. Weird things is, i dont remmber this happening so much in the BW profesional scene.
fairly simple to explain, they didn't twitter it out to the world and it wasn't that easy to stalk people and see what they are doing. On top of that no alternative to BW, which was why BW got so big in the first place. When it comes to games it has always been like that though. Kespa just forbid it in most cases.
Haha, I just had a dream that Complexity picked up Dear which I actually hoped for because I thought all the players except for Innovation and Classic were teamless now. I guess it's better that they still have a team... x)
EPT
Dear, 
Size had participated in the 'posting' process (a draft/auction to the remaining KeSPA teams) in secret on the 28th of August, with 
INnoVation opting out due to joining team Acer. Only Classic was able to join a KeSPA team through posting, joining SK Telecom T1. 
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