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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 11 2013 21:09 GMT
#101
On August 12 2013 06:06 BlackPanther wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 06:05 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
On August 12 2013 06:02 BlackPanther wrote:
On August 12 2013 06:00 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
its not about being nice. its about doing whats right and sustainability.



Honoring contracts is right and sustainable, not paying out for other's fuck ups. Blizzard paying out has the potential to fuck up the scene even more because then financially unstable tournaments would just let Blizzard cover the prize pool costs.


dude you are cherry picking my arguments.

I said blizzard should pay for those fuck ups and set a higher standard to hand out licenses in the future.


And I'm saying Blizzard shouldn't pay. IGN should.


This is only in the case of IGN not paying, if IGN pays them of course Blizzard wouldn't have to.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 21:16:01
August 11 2013 21:11 GMT
#102
On August 12 2013 05:05 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
imo blizzard should just fork over the cash.

what is it ? 75 ? 100k?? petty change to prevent your brand from being damaged like that...
then turn around and sue IGN if its possible.

this is not good publicity. Even if the responsability of paying the guys is IGN's, the tourney was ran with a blizz product.

The moment they do that once the flood gates will be open and nobody will bother to pay players anymore since "Blizzard will take care of it eventually as long we don't pay".
BlackPanther
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States872 Posts
August 11 2013 21:11 GMT
#103
On August 12 2013 06:05 FabledIntegral wrote:
The debt/money owed should have shown up on IPL's balance sheet as a liability when Blizzard bought IPL. Thus, Blizzard would be responsible for the debt. If IPL did not disclose the debt for whatever reason, which is a silly assumption, then it would be on IPL for fraud or misrepresentation.


The question is whether or not IPL is a separate entity from IGN. From what I've read / know, IPL is a division within IGN. Blizzard picked up the employees and possibly bought their equipment after IPL's dissolution but that wouldn't make them responsible for debts incurred by IPL / IGN.
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
August 11 2013 21:13 GMT
#104
Oh god, can't we be spared once with the horribad news? Sigh, they really need to pay the players...
Get off my lawn, young punks
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
August 11 2013 21:13 GMT
#105
Obviously, IGN/IPL should pay.

But for the sake of the business, Blizzard should write checks now and get their lawyers on the issue.

a few 10ks shouldnt be too much to hand out to try and escape the incoming/ongoing p.r. shitstorm.
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16699 Posts
August 11 2013 21:17 GMT
#106
did HuK get his $500 ?
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
chatuka
Profile Joined July 2011
1351 Posts
August 11 2013 21:17 GMT
#107
IGN needs to pay ASAP, they have the money to pay up. Why are they so miserly?
Coil1
Profile Joined January 2013
128 Posts
August 11 2013 21:19 GMT
#108
Jesus what is with organizations and not paying the prize money. -_-
rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 21:21:03
August 11 2013 21:19 GMT
#109
On August 12 2013 06:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
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On August 12 2013 06:01 rasnj wrote:
The headline on IGN's site read:
Blizzard Buys IGN Pro League Assets
I am in no way saying that they must pay, I don't know how the "acquisition" (or whatever you wish to call it) went down.


its a biased source trying to avoid paying prize winners. Of course they are going to make this kind of claim on their own web site.

Surely they didn't plan the headline all the way back then to deal with this issue. All gaming news networks (PC gamer, gamespot, etc.) report similar headlines though that may be based on the IGN article.

Blizzard themselves wrote:
> New Assets Purchased for Online Content Initiatives, Apr 8, 2013
As an important next step in its ongoing efforts to provide world-class entertainment, Blizzard has purchased IGN Pro League technology and assets from IGN. ...

Again I am not saying they are legally required to pay. They probably are not, but you can't argue that Blizzard effectively took over IPL.

EDIT: And yes if IGN are responsible, then they should pay. However I feel Dongraegu or Leenock will have a hard time pressuring people at IGN, it would be much better if Blizzard (as a favor) helped in the talks with IGN.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5217 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 21:26:24
August 11 2013 21:22 GMT
#110
On August 12 2013 06:19 rasnj wrote:

EDIT: And yes if IGN are responsible, then they should pay. However I feel Dongraegu or Leenock will have a hard time pressuring people at IGN, it would be much better if Blizzard (as a favor) helped in the talks with IGN.


This is why the players need a union/kespa like organization.

You actually think Blizzard will help? Blizzard exists to make money, not to mediate disputes. It isn't Blizzards fault if a tournament refuses to pay and went belly up. The problem exists with IGN.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 11 2013 21:22 GMT
#111
On August 12 2013 06:19 rasnj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 06:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On August 12 2013 06:01 rasnj wrote:
The headline on IGN's site read:
Blizzard Buys IGN Pro League Assets
I am in no way saying that they must pay, I don't know how the "acquisition" (or whatever you wish to call it) went down.


its a biased source trying to avoid paying prize winners. Of course they are going to make this kind of claim on their own web site.

Surely they didn't plan the headline all the way back then to deal with this issue. All gaming news networks (PC gamer, gamespot, etc.) report similar headlines though that may be based on the IGN article.

Blizzard themselves wrote:
Show nested quote +
> New Assets Purchased for Online Content Initiatives, Apr 8, 2013
As an important next step in its ongoing efforts to provide world-class entertainment, Blizzard has purchased IGN Pro League technology and assets from IGN. ...

Again I am not saying they are legally required to pay. They probably are not, but you can't argue that Blizzard effectively took over IPL.

EDIT: And yes if IGN are responsible, then they should pay. However I feel Dongraegu or Leenock will have a hard time pressuring people at IGN, it would be much better if Blizzard (as a favor) helped in the talks with IGN.


The title make it pretty clear no? Blizzard bought IPL's assets, but not their liabilities.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16699 Posts
August 11 2013 21:23 GMT
#112
On August 12 2013 06:19 rasnj wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 06:06 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On August 12 2013 06:01 rasnj wrote:
The headline on IGN's site read:
Blizzard Buys IGN Pro League Assets
I am in no way saying that they must pay, I don't know how the "acquisition" (or whatever you wish to call it) went down.


its a biased source trying to avoid paying prize winners. Of course they are going to make this kind of claim on their own web site.

Surely they didn't plan the headline all the way back then to deal with this issue. All gaming news networks (PC gamer, gamespot, etc.) report similar headlines though that may be based on the IGN article.



Internal people at IPL were already deflecting requests from FXO, EG and other major teams.
When ur organization is bleeding red ink by the bucket full you cover your bases and blur the lines as much as possible.

there was this back and forth sniping with MLG.... they both tried to compete with each other. MLG paid instantly. IPL .. not so much.

Sundance is probably laughing his ass off right now.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
August 11 2013 21:25 GMT
#113
I find it hilarious how people are saying blizz should pay them. Just because they did something nice and picked up the IPL guys doesn't mean they have any responsibility. Blizz will be poor very fast if they pay for every tournament that fails to pay up. Hahaha...
2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2
tar
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany991 Posts
August 11 2013 21:31 GMT
#114
For once, this really has nothing to do with Blizzard. And they absolutely should not pay for IPL/IGN's debts.
whoever I pick for my anti team turns gosu
Cinim
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark866 Posts
August 11 2013 21:35 GMT
#115
So, if all this is true, they owe at least $43300, with the debt to Leenock being uncertain, as it was DRG who posted it for him. However, there might be more that are also missing their prize money from the tournament
Hell, it's about time
dutchfriese
Profile Joined November 2012
2554 Posts
August 11 2013 21:41 GMT
#116
On August 12 2013 06:25 TRaFFiC wrote:
I find it hilarious how people are saying blizz should pay them. Just because they did something nice and picked up the IPL guys doesn't mean they have any responsibility. Blizz will be poor very fast if they pay for every tournament that fails to pay up. Hahaha...



yeah it's kind of a slippery slope, but ultimately it's good for the game in this instance.
Valon
Profile Joined June 2011
United States329 Posts
August 11 2013 21:41 GMT
#117
It's so bad how some tournaments take so long to pay their winners and how much hassle it is sometimes. They have talked about this on several of the talks shows dozens of times. They worked to earn that money and shouldn't have to keep after the tournament to pay them a year later.
NoGasfOu
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1117 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-11 21:50:34
August 11 2013 21:49 GMT
#118
This is why you need a Kespa, or else the foreign scene will forever be amateur.
Tassadar/TheBest/Jjakji/Rain(terran)/Heart
DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
August 11 2013 21:51 GMT
#119
On August 12 2013 06:11 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 05:05 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:
imo blizzard should just fork over the cash.

what is it ? 75 ? 100k?? petty change to prevent your brand from being damaged like that...
then turn around and sue IGN if its possible.

this is not good publicity. Even if the responsability of paying the guys is IGN's, the tourney was ran with a blizz product.

The moment they do that once the flood gates will be open and nobody will bother to pay players anymore since "Blizzard will take care of it eventually as long we don't pay".


What? That's not even close to being true, Blizzard kinda bought IPL in a way. That's why they should show good will to players.
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OPL3SA2
Profile Joined April 2011
United States378 Posts
August 11 2013 21:52 GMT
#120
On August 12 2013 03:54 DanLee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 03:52 partydude89 wrote:
so since blizzard hired the IPL guys, does this mean that blizzard has to pay out the prize money?

ROFL, hey blizzard, you know some of the people you hired used to work at a company that hasn't paid out it's debts. You mind picking up the tab?

edit: one of the stupidest conclusions I've ever seen someone jump to in my entire life.


Man I have to use your logic with my lawyer. I just bought a piece of property and someone owed back taxes on the property. I only found out after I closed on the property.

"ROFL hey Town of Marlborough Massachusetts, you know some of the people that used to own this property hasn't paid on their debts. You mind going after them and not me?

edit: One of the stupidest people on the teamliquid.net forums. i've ever seen in my entire life /quote
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