EPTIPL yet to pay out multiple top finishers from IPL5 - Pag…
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
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MasterOfPuppets
Romania6942 Posts
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On August 12 2013 06:25 TRaFFiC wrote: I find it hilarious how people are saying blizz should pay them. Just because they did something nice and picked up the IPL guys doesn't mean they have any responsibility. Blizz will be poor very fast if they pay for every tournament that fails to pay up. Hahaha... Blizz bought up IPL, that generally means they take on all the debts and stuff as well... No one is saying EVERY tournament should be paid by Blizzard, but IPL probably should. | ||
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Cyrak
Canada536 Posts
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Firestorm
Canada341 Posts
On August 12 2013 06:57 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Blizz bought up IPL, that generally means they take on all the debts and stuff as well... No one is saying EVERY tournament should be paid by Blizzard, but IPL probably should. Wrong, they bought the assets of IPL, not the liabilities. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On August 12 2013 06:52 OPL3SA2 wrote: Man I have to use your logic with my lawyer. I just bought a piece of property and someone owed back taxes on the property. I only found out after I closed on the property. "ROFL hey Town of Marlborough Massachusetts, you know some of the people that used to own this property hasn't paid on their debts. You mind going after them and not me? edit: One of the stupidest people on the teamliquid.net forums. i've ever seen in my entire life /quote Unless IGN actually owns people from IPL (as slaves), how are they responsible for their debt? That's like City of Malborough ask your boss for money instead of you. | ||
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oxxo
988 Posts
On August 12 2013 06:57 KrazyTrumpet wrote: Blizz bought up IPL, that generally means they take on all the debts and stuff as well... No one is saying EVERY tournament should be paid by Blizzard, but IPL probably should. As has been said before Blizzard bought some assets and hired some old employees. They did not buy/take over IPL. | ||
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negativedge
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if IGN really does still own the IPL brand and blizzard just bought the talent and equipment, then this sucks a lot more. the players would have to take IGN to court for the money, which would be much more difficult for them to do. I wonder if ESF has funds to handle those sorts of things? and if they don't, if KeSPA would step in for the good of the scene? | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On August 12 2013 06:51 DwD wrote: What? That's not even close to being true, Blizzard kinda bought IPL in a way. That's why they should show good will to players. "in a way" is such a silly statement to make your argument which has no leggs to stand on. Unles Blizzard bought everything IPL related including the brand they have zero reason to start paying up. Oh and that good will to the players will do more harm then good cause what is stopping other tournaments for pulling off the same and expecting Blizzard to pay as well? | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On August 12 2013 06:11 BlackPanther wrote: The question is whether or not IPL is a separate entity from IGN. From what I've read / know, IPL is a division within IGN. Blizzard picked up the employees and possibly bought their equipment after IPL's dissolution but that wouldn't make them responsible for debts incurred by IPL / IGN. I was indeed under the impression it was a separate entity. I also did not realize it was just purchased assets. I thought it was an acquisition in which both assets and liabilities were both purchased. | ||
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On August 12 2013 07:03 negativedge wrote: this is why there should probably be some sort of union to hash these things out before hand. if IPL were still alive groups like KeSPA and ESF could hold their players out of IPL events until everyone was paid, but they aren't even around anymore. a union would force some kind of binding agreement beforehand. I guess ESF et al. could take it to blizzard and threaten to pull out of WCS, but I don't even know if that would work. but certainly they have to try. Seriously, what has Blizzard to do with this? Threatening Blizzard? are you insane? | ||
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Pinski
United States126 Posts
On August 12 2013 07:04 ninjamyst wrote: Sucks that players wont be paid their winnings but when an organization goes under, that's what will happen. IGN hasn't gone under, their debts are still outstanding. They still owe everything that they have as debt, they just haven't paid it yet. | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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negativedge
4279 Posts
On August 12 2013 07:03 Assirra wrote: Oh and that good will to the players will do more harm then good cause what is stopping other tournaments for pulling off the same and expecting Blizzard to pay as well? other tournaments still exist, bro. if someone like MLG or ESL did this, no player would ever go to those tournaments again. they wouldn't be so bush league as to try it simply because blizzard might maybe eventually pay the money. their organizations would be dead. immediately. in fact, blizzard probably wouldn't even let them hold events again even if they wanted to. | ||
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Sufinsil
United States760 Posts
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TeslasPigeon
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On August 12 2013 07:03 negativedge wrote: this is why there should probably be some sort of union to hash these things out before hand. if IPL were still alive groups like KeSPA and ESF could hold their players out of IPL events until everyone was paid, but they aren't even around anymore. a union would force some kind of binding agreement beforehand. I guess ESF et al. could take it to blizzard and threaten to pull out of WCS, but I don't even know if that would work. but certainly they have to try. Be honest with ourselves, ESF has never done anything to protect its members. They don't have any sway and are a useless organization. They've failed to actually stand up for IM who has legal grief against LG. They fail to transfer players through their channels (the players leave ESF and joined teams by themselves or through team managers not affiliated with ESF). They have no clout and will never be a player in the grand scheme of esports. KESPA is the only organization with legal and political authority that can get things done. | ||
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simmeh
Canada2511 Posts
not many make great salaries, so tournament winnings are important to their income on a somewhat related note, i know next mlg doesnt have sc2, but i've always heard players talking about how MLG is extremely diligent when it comes to paying players prize money, so good on them | ||
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negativedge
4279 Posts
On August 12 2013 07:06 Assirra wrote: Seriously, what has Blizzard to do with this? Threatening Blizzard? are you insane? I said if blizzard owns IPL. we're not sure if they do or not. if they do, they are responsible for the debt. if they don't, then they aren't. but even if IGN is responsible, it certainly wouldn't hurt for, say, ESF to talk to blizzard to help put pressure on IGN. IGN doesn't care about the starcraft players, but if Blizzard said "hey, guess what? you get no press access to our games or events until you pay these players" then that is something IGN would care about. | ||
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ScLight
United States26 Posts
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