EPTTheir gate at live events was so low that this does not come as much of a surprise.
IPL yet to pay out multiple top finishers from IPL5 - Pag…
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16859 Posts
Their gate at live events was so low that this does not come as much of a surprise. | ||
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marcesr
Germany1383 Posts
On August 12 2013 04:52 Dodgin wrote: How do you not pay the winner of the tournament 9 months later? god damn esports is a joke sometimes 9 month is not that much in esport tbh. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
Sure, if you compare it to something like ESWC... | ||
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forsooth
United States3648 Posts
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iMOOrtal
Canada144 Posts
On August 12 2013 04:39 MasterOfPuppets wrote: Why is it embarrassing for Blizzard? Blizzard didn't buy IPL... You see you think I'm going to say "because blizz bought IPL" when really my answer is: Because it's Blizzard's game and the competitors playing it aren't always getting paid. It would be like if MLB had a team that didn't pay a player. It looks REALLY bad for the team, and it's a stain on the league. Now we can hold hands. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
what is it ? 75 ? 100k?? petty change to prevent your brand from being damaged like that... then turn around and sue IGN if its possible. this is not good publicity. Even if the responsability of paying the guys is IGN's, the tourney was ran with a blizz product. | ||
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NPF
Canada1635 Posts
Hopefully someone from Blizzard can make a statement in the upcomming days. | ||
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Ace Frehley
2030 Posts
On August 12 2013 05:05 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: imo blizzard should just fork over the cash. what is it ? 75 ? 100k?? petty change to prevent your brand from being damaged like that... then turn around and sue IGN if its possible. this is not good publicity. Even if the responsability of paying the guys is IGN's, the tourney was ran with a blizz product. That would set a terrible precedent. Should they pay the http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Campus_Party_Europe too? According to Snute, they didn't pay everyone, either | ||
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RyF
Austria508 Posts
pros or just gamerkids.. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16859 Posts
At the start, NASL really looked like a disorganized circus run by a bunch of yahoos. To contrast this IGN.com owned by Newscorp started its own league. David Ting sounded 100% convincing and I'm sure Mr. Ting will be great at deflecting any blame that comes his way. He is very well spoken. I thought both leagues were drowning in red ink. Kudos to the NASL owner guy (Pfister?) for paying all his bills. On August 12 2013 05:05 NPF wrote: Sometimes I really think when a player finishes a tournament there should be a briefcase full of money with each player name on it and there it goes. You already know all the sums of money you're going to give out. Why can't you have the money on hand. Hopefully someone from Blizzard can make a statement in the upcomming days. i think MLG does something very close to this. They chase down every player making sure they have a cheque in hand before the event is over. carrying more than $10,000 across the US border is a bit of a hassle. | ||
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NPF
Canada1635 Posts
On August 12 2013 05:08 RyF wrote: is it so hard to get yourself a lawyer? pros or just gamerkids.. Yes 17 year olds getting experts in internationnal lawy where they may not have signed a legally binding contract with an organization to be held liable to pay them money. Sounds like fun, and do that times 50 players... Don't get me wrong, in my head a simple contract that a player signs and the organization signs with fixed prize money per finish and a player signature, with a clear set of rules could put a bit of pressure on companies to pay. Some big companies like to only make payment 60-90 days after a purchase (even if their bank account is in the millions), sponsored events, from personnal experience all the money should be there before the event even starts. On August 12 2013 05:09 JimmyJRaynor wrote: i think MLG does something very close to this. They chase down every player making sure they have a cheque in hand before the event is over. carrying more than $10,000 across the US border is a bit of a hassle. You're right, maybe a straight up wire transfer of money. I would imagine most people have bank accounts. | ||
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xyzz
567 Posts
On August 12 2013 05:08 RyF wrote: is it so hard to get yourself a lawyer? pros or just gamerkids.. That's a rhetorical question  We all know the answer. | ||
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marcesr
Germany1383 Posts
On August 12 2013 05:08 RyF wrote: is it so hard to get yourself a lawyer? pros or just gamerkids.. Usually the legal claim for prize money is really weak, kid. | ||
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BrassMonkey27
Canada616 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On August 12 2013 04:57 Liquid`Snute wrote: I filled out the IPL5 payment form as much as I could and sent a few emails in reply asking questions but it stopped there. On a side note  Campus Party Europe players did not get paid either, except for #1 finisher SuperNova.It's almost been a year with constant delays over e-mails and change of managements, responsible parties for paying out and the same old coproprate talk. It's kinda sad that I feel like I should give special shoutouts to the tournaments and people that do legitimate business ... :D You guys need a union/organization like Kespa that represents the players. Until that happens, you're going to get screwed. Even if you hired an attorney on your own it wouldn't help, tournaments would just not do business with you when there is so many other players willing to be screwed that will play in your place. If you had a union in place, they could demand the prize money be held in esquire before the tourney even began, ensuring you guys get paid. Otherwise, no tournament. There is a reason most traditional sports have unions. | ||
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BlackPanther
United States872 Posts
On August 12 2013 05:05 Kevin_Sorbo wrote: imo blizzard should just fork over the cash. what is it ? 75 ? 100k?? petty change to prevent your brand from being damaged like that... then turn around and sue IGN if its possible. this is not good publicity. Even if the responsability of paying the guys is IGN's, the tourney was ran with a blizz product. Then other tournaments would stop paying in hopes that Blizzard will cover them. Not a good idea. | ||
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TRaFFiC
Canada1448 Posts
I think it's up to the players to harass the shit out of management because the more time that passes, the less chance they will pay up. They just waiting for people to forget about it. Good tactic :D | ||
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On August 12 2013 05:08 Ace Frehley wrote: That would set a terrible precedent. Should they pay the http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Campus_Party_Europe too? According to Snute, they didn't pay everyone, either Blizzard effectively bought IPL. Legally they may just have hired the old employees, but everyone thinks of it as IPL and Blizzard seems to have attempted to at least present the same public personalities instead of subbing in their own or re-organizing. They may not be legally obligated to do anything, and they may not even be morally obligated to do anything, but I feel it would be the right thing to do after effectively taking over IPL. The prize money from one event is very little compared to their budgets for running events anyway. Currently the professional SC2 scene has a terrible reputation where people can reasonably say that 9 months is relatively not very long to wait for a 40k USD payout, but in any professional industry or serious sport that would be ludicrous. Blizzard is attempting to control the tournament circuit so I feel it would be a fairly cheap way to improve their reputation and improve the trust in the SC2 tournament scene. I wouldn't mind it if Blizzard took an even more direct role in managing tournaments. Maybe they could require proof of financial backing before allowing any major tournaments (say >10k total prize pool or something like that). If they really wanted to fix stuff they could even act as an intermediary when new or untrusted companies ran tournaments so Blizzard would make sure to get their prize money and they distribute it to the players in a reasonable and timely manner. This kind of story is ridiculous, and Blizzard should do something about it. If for no other reason, then to improve the professional SC2 scene. | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On August 12 2013 05:08 Ace Frehley wrote: That would set a terrible precedent. Should they pay the http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Campus_Party_Europe too? According to Snute, they didn't pay everyone, either well they should clean the house and give licences to the organisations who open their books and prove they can pay. That would be a good way to get rid of the bums and restore the faith in the business. but I understand it would set a precedent. How much was the prize pool anyways for that Campus party Europe tourney?? 25?? 50 k?? Accept the fact that you licensed some crooks to run a tourney with your product and come clean. Even if you set a precedent, well ran business wont be affected. If blizzard wants to be seen as a leader in the esport biz they must act accordingly. edit: rasnj nailed it. ^^ | ||
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