On August 14 2013 05:09 JimSocks wrote: can't really blame MLG for dropping sc2. gotta remember MLG was paying blizzard to host those tournaments while other game companies paid MLG to host. if anything blame blizzard for being greedy with there license. its not a coincidence that the free moba games are taking over esports
Apparently MLG was not paying Blizzard according to Incontrol on Inside The Game this was told to him by Blizzard.
the simple fact is , the "live gate" for an MLG weekend event is lousy. This is why SC2 is no longer part of MLG. MLG went from 6 to 4 to 3 weekend events. It'll be interesting to see how many they have next year.
the "live gate" for IPLs were crap too. if it were good IGN.com would've kept it.
Alright, to be fair they don't exactly pick the best areas to hold these events. Raleigh? Columbus? Really?
Now I know it's probably far more expensive to hold it in a major city like New York, Miami, Los Angeles ect... but why not go back to Providence? SC2 fans from Boston, Hartford and beyond went. I'm sure a lot of NY went too. I'd go if they brought it back to Providence even though I live in NH and despise driving in Massachusetts.
I'm sure there is other places that bring in big live gates too, but instead they head down to Columbus
On August 14 2013 05:09 JimSocks wrote: can't really blame MLG for dropping sc2. gotta remember MLG was paying blizzard to host those tournaments while other game companies paid MLG to host. if anything blame blizzard for being greedy with there license. its not a coincidence that the free moba games are taking over esports
Apparently MLG was not paying Blizzard according to Incontrol on Inside The Game this was told to him by Blizzard.
the simple fact is , the "live gate" for an MLG weekend event is lousy. This is why SC2 is no longer part of MLG. MLG went from 6 to 4 to 3 weekend events. It'll be interesting to see how many they have next year.
the "live gate" for IPLs were crap too. if it were good IGN.com would've kept it.
Alright, to be fair they don't exactly pick the best areas to hold these events. Raleigh? Columbus? Really?
Now I know it's probably far more expensive to hold it in a major city like New York, Miami, Los Angeles ect... but why not go back to Providence? SC2 fans from Boston, Hartford and beyond went. I'm sure a lot of NY went too. I'd go if they brought it back to Providence even though I live in NH and despise driving in Massachusetts.
I'm sure there is other places that bring in big live gates too, but instead they head down to Columbus
yeah this is what I dislike about MLG... Why u keep going back same places??
Colombus/Raleigh?? srsly?? I mean Anaheim's fine cause its basically L.A. but why not Boston/N.Y.C./Toronto/Seattle/K.C./Houston?
I dont know how much it would cost them to change the venues from year to year but it could give MLG better exposure... Maybe try something?
( not on subject, why do you despise drving in Mass? )
On August 14 2013 05:09 JimSocks wrote: can't really blame MLG for dropping sc2. gotta remember MLG was paying blizzard to host those tournaments while other game companies paid MLG to host. if anything blame blizzard for being greedy with there license. its not a coincidence that the free moba games are taking over esports
Apparently MLG was not paying Blizzard according to Incontrol on Inside The Game this was told to him by Blizzard.
the simple fact is , the "live gate" for an MLG weekend event is lousy. This is why SC2 is no longer part of MLG. MLG went from 6 to 4 to 3 weekend events. It'll be interesting to see how many they have next year.
the "live gate" for IPLs were crap too. if it were good IGN.com would've kept it.
Alright, to be fair they don't exactly pick the best areas to hold these events. Raleigh? Columbus? Really?
Now I know it's probably far more expensive to hold it in a major city like New York, Miami, Los Angeles ect... but why not go back to Providence? SC2 fans from Boston, Hartford and beyond went. I'm sure a lot of NY went too. I'd go if they brought it back to Providence even though I live in NH and despise driving in Massachusetts.
I'm sure there is other places that bring in big live gates too, but instead they head down to Columbus
yeah this is what I dislike about MLG... Why u keep going back same places??
Colombus/Raleigh?? srsly?? I mean Anaheim's fine cause its basically L.A. but why not Boston/N.Y.C./Toronto/Seattle/K.C./Houston?
I dont know how much it would cost them to change the venues from year to year but it could give MLG better exposure... Maybe try something?
( not on subject, why do you despise drving in Mass? )
You'd actually be surprised how few venues could host an event like a MLG weekend. That's a lot of space and connection types needed. If anyone remembers the internet problems they had at some of the 2011 events, that's kind of the same deal. Most convention centers don't have the connection infrastructure to support what they're up to.
On August 14 2013 05:09 JimSocks wrote: can't really blame MLG for dropping sc2. gotta remember MLG was paying blizzard to host those tournaments while other game companies paid MLG to host. if anything blame blizzard for being greedy with there license. its not a coincidence that the free moba games are taking over esports
Apparently MLG was not paying Blizzard according to Incontrol on Inside The Game this was told to him by Blizzard.
the simple fact is , the "live gate" for an MLG weekend event is lousy. This is why SC2 is no longer part of MLG. MLG went from 6 to 4 to 3 weekend events. It'll be interesting to see how many they have next year.
the "live gate" for IPLs were crap too. if it were good IGN.com would've kept it.
Alright, to be fair they don't exactly pick the best areas to hold these events. Raleigh? Columbus? Really?
Now I know it's probably far more expensive to hold it in a major city like New York, Miami, Los Angeles ect... but why not go back to Providence? SC2 fans from Boston, Hartford and beyond went. I'm sure a lot of NY went too. I'd go if they brought it back to Providence even though I live in NH and despise driving in Massachusetts.
I'm sure there is other places that bring in big live gates too, but instead they head down to Columbus
yeah this is what I dislike about MLG... Why u keep going back same places??
Colombus/Raleigh?? srsly?? I mean Anaheim's fine cause its basically L.A. but why not Boston/N.Y.C./Toronto/Seattle/K.C./Houston?
I dont know how much it would cost them to change the venues from year to year but it could give MLG better exposure... Maybe try something?
( not on subject, why do you despise drving in Mass? )
You'd actually be surprised how few venues could host an event like a MLG weekend. That's a lot of space and connection types needed. If anyone remembers the internet problems they had at some of the 2011 events, that's kind of the same deal. Most convention centers don't have the connection infrastructure to support what they're up to.
And that's before scheduling issues.
I would say that it is worth to go back to the same place again just for the familiarity. You know how the venue is sett up, how stable the connection, how close to the venue hotels and such are. there is much more to it then just "try to get it out live to as many fans as possible".
On August 14 2013 05:09 JimSocks wrote: can't really blame MLG for dropping sc2. gotta remember MLG was paying blizzard to host those tournaments while other game companies paid MLG to host. if anything blame blizzard for being greedy with there license. its not a coincidence that the free moba games are taking over esports
Apparently MLG was not paying Blizzard according to Incontrol on Inside The Game this was told to him by Blizzard.
the simple fact is , the "live gate" for an MLG weekend event is lousy. This is why SC2 is no longer part of MLG. MLG went from 6 to 4 to 3 weekend events. It'll be interesting to see how many they have next year.
the "live gate" for IPLs were crap too. if it were good IGN.com would've kept it.
Alright, to be fair they don't exactly pick the best areas to hold these events. Raleigh? Columbus? Really?
Now I know it's probably far more expensive to hold it in a major city like New York, Miami, Los Angeles ect... but why not go back to Providence? SC2 fans from Boston, Hartford and beyond went. I'm sure a lot of NY went too. I'd go if they brought it back to Providence even though I live in NH and despise driving in Massachusetts.
I'm sure there is other places that bring in big live gates too, but instead they head down to Columbus
yeah this is what I dislike about MLG... Why u keep going back same places??
Colombus/Raleigh?? srsly?? I mean Anaheim's fine cause its basically L.A. but why not Boston/N.Y.C./Toronto/Seattle/K.C./Houston?
I dont know how much it would cost them to change the venues from year to year but it could give MLG better exposure... Maybe try something?
( not on subject, why do you despise drving in Mass? )
Big cities are also expensive. Best thing to do is find a cheap place within a 2 hour drive of a big urban centre.
MLG went to Toronto and never came back. They made a big mistake holding it at the Metro Toronto Convention Centre. Rent is like a million dollars an hour there. They probably did not generate enough revenue relative to the costs.
NASL did it right by going to the much less expensive Mississauga and calling it "Toronto". Live event promoters like to go to Mississauga's Hershey Centre and promote that they are headed to "Toronto". Its a good strategy.
MLG - Mississauga. sounds great eh?
If SC2 eSports is a profit centre then a live event promoter will fill the void that NASL, IPL and MLG have created.
Sasquatch @coL_Sasquatch @SaintSnorlax @MVPDongRaeGu no I think IGN still pays it, atleast they did for Scarlett... she just had to message @dting888 a bunch
How fucking awkward is that, having to spam someone with messages just to get paid, when they are already way behind on paying? If anything, they should actively contact and reassure the players in question that they are aware of this and working on it.
On October 17 2013 21:31 Topdoller wrote: Although i dont know nothing about American Law can they not initiate legal action against IGN. There must be some way for him to get his prize money?
I believe that this could be considered fraud if they never pay him.
From what I can tell, the prosecution would rip IGN a new one if this ever went to court.
On October 17 2013 21:37 Caladan wrote: That's really bad PR for IGN. They show how shady they are and what E-Sports means to them.
I will be boycotting IGN until this is resolved. Feel free to do the same.
this is a tragic-comedy.
where are all those IPL supporters when i said IPL would never hold another big event i got flamed into hell. he who laughs last laughs best. sad for the contractors though...
thinking aloud here...i wonder if IGN is actively trying to claim that Blizzard owes the money because Blizz bought some "IPL assets"? http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/04/08/blizzard-buys-ign-pro-league somewhat misleading opening line : "Blizzard has purchased IGN Pro League" i do not think IGN will attempt any trickery with Blizz though, because they'll end up taking on ATVI. ZD is big, but not big enough to take on ATVI on an issue where they are at fault.
i never liked David Ting, but i didn't realize he was this much of a snake. not paying IPL contractors while he was still working for IGN/IPL is just bad.
it isn't just the prize winners who still have yet to be paid.
On October 17 2013 21:31 Topdoller wrote: Although i dont know nothing about American Law can they not initiate legal action against IGN. There must be some way for him to get his prize money?
I believe that this could be considered fraud if they never pay him.
It depends on the contract that the players signed. If they signed a contract that the winner will be payed X amount in Y time, IGN would be in breach of contract and the injured parties can seek restitution. I'd ask Plansix, that guy knows a lot about law.
On October 17 2013 21:37 Caladan wrote: That's really bad PR for IGN. They show how shady they are and what E-Sports means to them.
I will be boycotting IGN until this is resolved. Feel free to do the same.
this is a tragic-comedy.
where are all those IPL supporters when i said IPL would never hold another big event i got flamed into hell. he who laughs last laughs best. sad for the contractors though...
i never liked David Kim, but i didn't realize he was this much of a snake. not paying IPL contractors while he was still working for IGN/IPL is just bad.
it isn't just the prize winners who still have yet to be paid.
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