On August 13 2013 04:22 1Dhalism wrote: it depends on the contract of course but most likely it's blizzard that owes the money. When you buy up anything you usually buy up its debts as well. If you buy a house as a private individual you are also the one who owes any outstanding bank fees or debts. Which is why buying the "1 dollar houses" without proper lawyer assessment is so risky.
This has been repeated many times in this thread already, but Blizzard didn't buy IPL. They bought IPL's assets (equipment) and hired IGN employees that worked on IPL. As far as I know, they did not acquire the IPL branding, which in theory still belongs to IGN.
If I buy a computer from some guy on eBay, I do not inherit the guy's debts. If I hire some staff, I do not inherit the debts owed by the staff's previous employer.
Speculation: IPL may not even be considered an entity legally, it would just be a brand that belongs to IGN. Any IPL related contracts would be between IGN and a third-party.
David Ting @dting888 6m The guys @ign are investigating IPL matters urgently and will be in touch with those affected asap. Please direct questions to @willguyatt
Hope this clears up that this is IGN's problem and not Blizzard's.
Pretty sure IPL was not an enity. You can look through the list of owned/sold properties from Ziff Davis and IPL is not listed anywhere. IPL is just a name, IGN is the legal entity behind it. The company that bought Ziff Davis is still running IGN, so they're the ones who incur IGN's debts. They fired everyone related to IPL after they bought IGN.
And Ziff Davis only filed for bankruptcy protection back in 2008. That's a while ago. So all this talk about paying creditors first makes no sense. They never had to liquidate Ziff Davis Media, which owned IGN. Plus all of that happened 3 years before IPL was even a thing.
David Ting @dting888 6m The guys @ign are investigating IPL matters urgently and will be in touch with those affected asap. Please direct questions to @willguyatt
Hope this clears up that this is IGN's problem and not Blizzard's.
Glad to see ting getting the ball rolling. The most interesting thing would none of this happened if not for the DRG tweet? Seems surprising that with a lot of foreigners like huk and snute unpaid as well, that they didn't light this fire first. Well if that DRG tweet ends up getting everyone paid, all hail DRG!
David Ting @dting888 6m The guys @ign are investigating IPL matters urgently and will be in touch with those affected asap. Please direct questions to @willguyatt
Hope this clears up that this is IGN's problem and not Blizzard's.
Glad to see ting getting the ball rolling. The most interesting thing would none of this happened if not for the DRG tweet? Seems surprising that with a lot of foreigners like huk and snute unpaid as well, that they didn't light this fire first. Well if that DRG tweet ends up getting everyone paid, all hail DRG!
If DRG's tweet ends up causing everyone to get paid, I hope people feel encouraged to bring these problems to public sooner, and not wait a whole year for it
Perhaps it is worthwhile to consider adding to the Liquipedia page of every tournament (next to that table with the payouts) dates and/or indications of whether or not the player has been paid. The player could either edit the page or just let a Liquipedia volunteer know (or the manager or whoever is in a position to know these things) so that there is some visibility into it. I think it would also create some public accountability.
On August 13 2013 09:40 kawaiiryuko wrote: Perhaps it is worthwhile to consider adding to the Liquipedia page of every tournament (next to that table with the payouts) dates and/or indications of whether or not the player has been paid. The player could either edit the page or just let a Liquipedia volunteer know (or the manager or whoever is in a position to know these things) so that there is some visibility into it. I think it would also create some public accountability.
I don't think that would be a great idea, just because tournaments don't pay out immidiately, at least most don't some are a bit different and do pay out immidiately.
On August 13 2013 09:40 kawaiiryuko wrote: Perhaps it is worthwhile to consider adding to the Liquipedia page of every tournament (next to that table with the payouts) dates and/or indications of whether or not the player has been paid. The player could either edit the page or just let a Liquipedia volunteer know (or the manager or whoever is in a position to know these things) so that there is some visibility into it. I think it would also create some public accountability.
i think this is a great idea. if IPL were still holding tournaments, then players would know that they would be risking waiting for a year for potential winnings, which would effect the cost-benefit analysis of attending it in the first place. tournaments then would have a positive reason to pay in a timely manner (say, within 1 month or even straight away), rather than a negative reason (1 year later and bad press).
On August 13 2013 02:27 nuogaiyen wrote: Though it may seem "unfair", its common that you pay the least amount of debt first, working your way up, I'm sure they would rather make more people happy rather than pull 40k out of their ass to pay one person. Business is business ethical or not. People need to stop sucking Leenock's dick and get to the real matter. Where Is the money, how much, and who has accounts receivable with IPL on that listing.
This is untrue. Let's not talk about bankruptcy because that's not what happened. But for a failing business, normally you prioritize by who's going to be the most pissed off. Normally that is vendors because they know what they're doing and they will shout and threaten to sue if they're not paid.
It's unfortunate these players aren't pushing harder because that makes them fall farther down the priority list. Now that they're complaining, they're finally being considered for payment. It is a disgrace that the response is "I'm looking into it", not "I'm sending a check out Next Day Air, I'll e-mail you the FedEx code and check number". It's been a long time. I don't think it's the players' "fault" they're not being paid, but this is unfortunately one of the reasons they say "nice guys finish last".
On August 13 2013 09:40 kawaiiryuko wrote: Perhaps it is worthwhile to consider adding to the Liquipedia page of every tournament (next to that table with the payouts) dates and/or indications of whether or not the player has been paid. The player could either edit the page or just let a Liquipedia volunteer know (or the manager or whoever is in a position to know these things) so that there is some visibility into it. I think it would also create some public accountability.
I don't think that would be a great idea, just because tournaments don't pay out immidiately, at least most don't some are a bit different and do pay out immidiately.
What? Those giant checks aren't real? Damn. (Some other competitions (outside esports) do actually make the giant novelty checks legally cashable - what makes a check legal is remarkably basic and anything beyond that is up to the bank holding the accounts. It's possible for a check to be entirely handwritten, although it's exceedingly rare.)
On August 13 2013 09:40 kawaiiryuko wrote: Perhaps it is worthwhile to consider adding to the Liquipedia page of every tournament (next to that table with the payouts) dates and/or indications of whether or not the player has been paid. The player could either edit the page or just let a Liquipedia volunteer know (or the manager or whoever is in a position to know these things) so that there is some visibility into it. I think it would also create some public accountability.
Aren't they just collecting a bit of interest on the side before they pay?
I don't think that would be a great idea, just because tournaments don't pay out immidiately, at least most don't some are a bit different and do pay out immidiately.
People can judge if 6 months delay is acceptable or not. Adding this to LP would maybe raise awareness, that tournament quality is not just production and line up etc. Personally I find it wrong to host seasonal tournaments, when you fail to pay out the recent winners in time for the new season. It just smells of bad organisation.
as much as I personally resent MLG for dropping SC2, at least they were efficient and smart enough to ensure that every player gets paid to prevent this messy disorganization.
can't really blame MLG for dropping sc2. gotta remember MLG was paying blizzard to host those tournaments while other game companies paid MLG to host. if anything blame blizzard for being greedy with there license. its not a coincidence that the free moba games are taking over esports
On August 14 2013 05:09 JimSocks wrote: can't really blame MLG for dropping sc2. gotta remember MLG was paying blizzard to host those tournaments while other game companies paid MLG to host. if anything blame blizzard for being greedy with there license. its not a coincidence that the free moba games are taking over esports
Apparently MLG was not paying Blizzard according to Incontrol on Inside The Game this was told to him by Blizzard.
On August 14 2013 05:09 JimSocks wrote: can't really blame MLG for dropping sc2. gotta remember MLG was paying blizzard to host those tournaments while other game companies paid MLG to host. if anything blame blizzard for being greedy with there license. its not a coincidence that the free moba games are taking over esports
Apparently MLG was not paying Blizzard according to Incontrol on Inside The Game this was told to him by Blizzard.
the simple fact is , the "live gate" for an MLG weekend event is lousy. This is why SC2 is no longer part of MLG. MLG went from 6 to 4 to 3 weekend events. It'll be interesting to see how many they have next year.
the "live gate" for IPLs were crap too. if it were good IGN.com would've kept it.
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