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coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
August 12 2013 14:55 GMT
#261
Uh oh, amateur hour at IGN if they closed up shop without enough money to pay players their winnings.

It's astonishing players don't demand checks at the venue now or raise this issue much earlier. Two months is an appropriate time to make a firm demand that they pay you and send you the check number and a mailing confirmation code. Three months is appropriate to get very aggressive in tone, possibly shouting. Six months is time for a letter from a lawyer because they're not paying.

If you weren't aware, this is exactly how credit card companies and vendors will treat you if you don't pay them.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
August 12 2013 14:58 GMT
#262
On August 12 2013 20:04 Tabashi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 12 2013 03:54 DanLee wrote:
On August 12 2013 03:52 partydude89 wrote:
so since blizzard hired the IPL guys, does this mean that blizzard has to pay out the prize money?

ROFL, hey blizzard, you know some of the people you hired used to work at a company that hasn't paid out it's debts. You mind picking up the tab?

edit: one of the stupidest conclusions I've ever seen someone jump to in my entire life.


You know that depending on the country you live in, laws are different? In some of those countries, there are laws that say that when you buy over a company, you also take over their debts? Canada is not the only country in the world. I suggest you leave the PC more often or stay in school.

Thank you for your input.

Except you clearly don't know what the current situation so how about reading before insulting someone? Blizzard never bought the company.
nuogaiyen
Profile Joined May 2012
United States42 Posts
August 12 2013 15:08 GMT
#263
I agree with those that proposed Blizzard only purchased the human capital from IPL, with those designers, casters etc out of a job, Blizzard decided to offer them a job. Not intending to take the IPL name and restarting the tournaments with those same positions. I think if Blizzard decided to purchase IPL as a whole company they would have to take along the assets as well as the debt. Human intelligence is a intangible asset, so if you figure IPL sold those "assets" it wouldn't reduce the debt because they earn wages. Wages payable would only come to a stop.
This is just my opinion but I don't think anyone is going to get paid, honestly. If a company goes bankrupt you think the shareholders get their money back. Hell no. If IPL were to sell its assets, it's the loaners who get their money back first, if any (bank loans). Everyone else is left for dead. It's unfortunate it had to happen like this but this stuff happens all the time. It's been since 2012, the money's long gone.
lamprey1
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada919 Posts
August 12 2013 15:12 GMT
#264
is there some way to blame David Kim , Dustin Browder or Incontrol for this ?

kidding aside, when Ziff-Davis bought IGN.com they made vague statements about what they were doing with IPL, but didn't bring up the 10s of thousands still owed to these players

i guess they forgot,
how convenient.
Zax19
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Czech Republic1136 Posts
August 12 2013 15:29 GMT
#265
On August 12 2013 03:59 nimdil wrote:
There should be some kind of community consensus that the shitstorm starts within two months if not everything is paid or s.t.

I was thinking of a “wall of shame” topic but it would become even more obvious how much of this “industry” is just smoke and mirrors :/.
Really Blizz, really? - Darnell
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
August 12 2013 15:30 GMT
#266
ffs why didn't they go public immediately for this

why would you play nice with people that are dragging their feet, rip out the carpet from underneath their feet with viral public pressure
Come motivate me to be cynical about animus at http://infinityandone.blogspot.com/ // Stork proxy gates are beautiful.
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
August 12 2013 15:31 GMT
#267
On August 13 2013 00:30 ymir233 wrote:
ffs why didn't they go public immediately for this

why would you play nice with people that are dragging their feet, rip out the carpet from underneath their feet with viral public pressure


They wouldn't see it as a problem immediately obviously? IIRC most of these payment takes a long time.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
August 12 2013 15:33 GMT
#268
On August 13 2013 00:30 ymir233 wrote:
ffs why didn't they go public immediately for this

why would you play nice with people that are dragging their feet, rip out the carpet from underneath their feet with viral public pressure

When is "immediately"? If they'd do this a week or month after the event, they'd simply be told "you'll get it soon!" and that'd be that.

I really do wish that players would be more aggressive in getting their money, though. They have earned it, and to me, this is akin to getting no pay from your boss. It's completely and utterly unacceptable, and anyone who does that should be publicly shamed and warned of.
ymir233
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States8275 Posts
August 12 2013 15:40 GMT
#269
On August 13 2013 00:33 Conti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 00:30 ymir233 wrote:
ffs why didn't they go public immediately for this

why would you play nice with people that are dragging their feet, rip out the carpet from underneath their feet with viral public pressure

When is "immediately"? If they'd do this a week or month after the event, they'd simply be told "you'll get it soon!" and that'd be that.

I really do wish that players would be more aggressive in getting their money, though. They have earned it, and to me, this is akin to getting no pay from your boss. It's completely and utterly unacceptable, and anyone who does that should be publicly shamed and warned of.


They could at least tweet it. It's not like a simple "haven't got my prize money from IPL yet. They say it'll be coming soon..." every time they check up wouldn't get attention from the fans they have. It's not about nagging or being miserly, it's just standard business to keep people in check.

I don't tweet, but I'm guessing if people have time to say stuff like "haha gogogogo MC" or w/e they also have time to tweet about important updates.
Come motivate me to be cynical about animus at http://infinityandone.blogspot.com/ // Stork proxy gates are beautiful.
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5219 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 16:28:24
August 12 2013 15:44 GMT
#270
On August 13 2013 00:30 ymir233 wrote:
ffs why didn't they go public immediately for this

why would you play nice with people that are dragging their feet, rip out the carpet from underneath their feet with viral public pressure


Do you know hard that is?

Really difficult. I'm currently in the process of arbitration against a new car dealer, and it is a difficult and stressful process. Much easier to believe someone over the phone/email who tells you "yeah, the money will be sent soon" then to get into it with them.

Nothing is ever black and white, people try to muddy the waters to hide the truth, and it's hard work trying to make them clean.
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
August 12 2013 15:44 GMT
#271
On August 13 2013 00:30 ymir233 wrote:
ffs why didn't they go public immediately for this

why would you play nice with people that are dragging their feet, rip out the carpet from underneath their feet with viral public pressure

I don't think going public is necessarily the best way. But as usual, the squeaky wheel gets the grease, such as Scarlett getting paid after bugging David Ting about it from the OP. DRG and Leenock never say anything and they don't get paid.

I'm shocked they haven't gone to their team managers or ESF to help them.
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
August 12 2013 15:48 GMT
#272
Well it's gone public now, so at least there is a bigger chance of them getting the money they deserve. Hopefully IGN will pay up what they owe.
리노크 👑
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42400 Posts
August 12 2013 16:35 GMT
#273
Small update:
David Ting ‏@dting888
@LorangerChris @SaintSnorlax @coL_Sasquatch @MVPDongRaeGu Talked to IGN this morning, and they are on it. Stay tuned.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
lamprey1
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada919 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 16:57:05
August 12 2013 16:54 GMT
#274
it might be that its more than just players who remain unpaid.
and it may include events other than just IPL5.



this is unsubstantiated, but does not help with IGN's or David Ting's credibility.
Chengakz
Profile Joined January 2012
United States163 Posts
August 12 2013 16:59 GMT
#275
This is disgusting. Dont blame the players as if this is their fault...didnt DRG say he asked many times already? Who is responsible for that tournament?
For Aiur!
TXRaunchy
Profile Joined June 2013
United States131 Posts
August 12 2013 17:07 GMT
#276
Kinda fucked up IGN
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
August 12 2013 17:13 GMT
#277
Terrible to hear leenock hasn't be paid either. The winner should always be paid first before all others!
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
lamprey1
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada919 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-12 17:16:00
August 12 2013 17:15 GMT
#278
On August 13 2013 02:13 Canucklehead wrote:
Terrible to hear leenock hasn't be paid either. The winner should always be paid first before all others!


the private contractors who helped make the show possible should be paid first.
please see post 4 up from here.
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
August 12 2013 17:15 GMT
#279
On August 13 2013 02:13 Canucklehead wrote:
Terrible to hear leenock hasn't be paid either. The winner should always be paid first before all others!

Indeed!

Hopefully David Ting fixes this, he seem like a nice guy and geniunely want to help the players get their money.
리노크 👑
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
August 12 2013 17:18 GMT
#280
On August 13 2013 02:15 lamprey1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 13 2013 02:13 Canucklehead wrote:
Terrible to hear leenock hasn't be paid either. The winner should always be paid first before all others!


the private contractors who helped make the show possible should be paid first.
please see post 4 up from here.


I mean in terms of prize money. People like scarlett got paid ahead of leenock, though she had to work for that money by pestering david ting on twitter a bunch.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
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