EPTIPL yet to pay out multiple top finishers from IPL5 - Pag…
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
added to OP as well. | ||
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Tabashi
Belgium129 Posts
On August 12 2013 03:54 DanLee wrote: ROFL, hey blizzard, you know some of the people you hired used to work at a company that hasn't paid out it's debts. You mind picking up the tab? edit: one of the stupidest conclusions I've ever seen someone jump to in my entire life. You know that depending on the country you live in, laws are different? In some of those countries, there are laws that say that when you buy over a company, you also take over their debts? Canada is not the only country in the world. I suggest you leave the PC more often or stay in school. Thank you for your input. | ||
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Elwar
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On August 12 2013 20:04 Tabashi wrote: You know that depending on the country you live in, laws are different? In some of those countries, there are laws that say that when you buy over a company, you also take over their debts? Canada is not the only country in the world. I suggest you leave the PC more often or stay in school. Thank you for your input. Think you missed the sarcasm there. Also Blizzard never bought IPL, they only bought it's assets. Just like when someone buy your car he doesn't own yourself or your debt. | ||
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suddendeathTV
Sweden388 Posts
On August 12 2013 20:12 ragz_gt wrote: Think you missed the sarcasm there. Also Blizzard never bought IPL, they only bought it's assets. Just like when someone buy your car he doesn't own yourself or your debt. Actually, In Sweden, if you buy a car that has debts like loans and stuff they will pass over to you, hence why you really need to check up on the car before you buy it. | ||
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giririsss
Australia10 Posts
On August 12 2013 20:12 ragz_gt wrote: Think you missed the sarcasm there. Also Blizzard never bought IPL, they only bought it's assets. Just like when someone buy your car he doesn't own yourself or your debt. The car one is a bad example, because if you buy a car that hasn't had the encumbrance from a loan company taken off of it, you are stuck with the loan, in most countries anyway. Will obviously vary pending on country. You can also buy a company with out taking on its debt. You just separate the company into two, put all the debt against one, and buy the company that has no debt. It's not generally done because the owners of the company that still has all the debt now have no assets. But it's one way of stopping a company incurring MORE debt and getting as much as you can for the assets that the company did own (mainly the people in this case). Not that it sounds like blizzard did that. With out seeing it, you also don't know if the prize money was owed by IPL or if it was owed by IGN. And everyone saying they should go hire a solicitor / lawyer... depending on the amount of money you are trying to recover, the amount of costs (i.e. solicitors bills) that you can recover will also be capped. i.e. you can't spend $20,000 trying to recover a $5,000 prize, the courts will never award you your full costs of $20,000. Most courts have the scale of fee's that you can recover outlined in their small claims court procedures relative to the sum being recovered. It is how ever the sort of thing that the players should be banding together and uniting over, and they could use some sort of collective power to organise a boycott of the organisation if the organisation doesn't pay. Lets say some sort of players union. Like an e-Sports Federation, or a Korean e-SPorts Association. KESPA in particular would hold some power in this as they not only have teams in SC2, but LoL and Counter Strike. Though i don't believe any of the affected players are members of KESPA teams. If it were me, and i was the eSF i would be taking it to as many news outlets that aren't IGN, and giving player interviews and documented proof that contact has been made and IGN aren't honoring IPL's debts. That's the only real power here. A major onslaught of bad publicity for IGN to the point that advertisers won't want to be associated with them. It's really shitty for the players though. | ||
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Gendo
United Kingdom216 Posts
Sucks for the players and should be more regulated overall. | ||
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
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29 fps
United States5724 Posts
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IcookTacos
Sweden295 Posts
And we really should find a way to make sure companies don't get away with this in the future. | ||
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JackDragon
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banatboy
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On August 12 2013 21:50 JackDragon wrote: IGN still exist, the real trouble with this is to figure out who owns the money. I am fairly sure that who ever owned IPL still can be held responsible for the debts of IPL, whether that is blizzard who bought IPL or IGN who disbandet IPL. Someone should be responsible. David Ting should be held responsible, he was the main face behind IPL (and now WCS) | ||
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
On August 12 2013 21:41 IcookTacos wrote: I really hope the players will get their money, sadly I don't know how it's possible, since IGN and IPL don't really exist anymore. And we really should find a way to make sure companies don't get away with this in the future. IGN exists IPL does not. On August 12 2013 21:54 banatboy wrote: David Ting should be held responsible, he was the main face behind IPL (and now WCS) On August 12 2013 04:50 Mirhi wrote: Hey guys. IGN / Ziff Davis is responsible for paying out these players. While I still worked at Blizzard I was trying to follow up on this as much as possible, but as I no longer work for Blizzard, I don't know who is handling this. I know many players, including the ones featured in this thread, followed up with me many times. I followed up with Ziff Davis / IGN many times, but they were very slow or dodged responsibility. The best course of action in getting these people paid is contacting Ziff Davis repeatedly / Internet justice by bringing attention to it. (Though please be professional and polite) EDIT: I should add they HAVE paid out some players, but not others. Why this is, I do not really know. But for sure they have been very slow / tried to get it to go away. | ||
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JackDragon
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
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UniquE.
Canada143 Posts
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On August 12 2013 23:18 UniquE. wrote: pathetic since most the IPL crew went to blizzard. Someone Deserves to be pitchforked who we going after? IGN | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
I hope players get the money that is owed to them. | ||
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plgElwood
Germany518 Posts
I may help to create an organization that ensures that caster-fees and prize money could be paid, before an event, maybe even transfered over to a third, neutral trusted account. In germany, GoOdy once threatened to leave "ESL" (run by turtle entertainment) because they got behind 1-3 years with paying out prize money. The Problem is to take legal action you need to have an actual signed contract. Does this exist in e-sport for a tournament entry? At least, with Blizzard now behind WCS, you can make sure they have the money. | ||
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